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Coming as a result of what NVIDIA said is "nearly a year of architectural and process optimizations", you can see some of the details on each below:
- GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER GPU - Starting at $399, Available July 9
- Up to 22% faster (average 15%) than RTX 2060
- 8GB GDDR6 - 2GB more than the RTX 2060
- Faster than GTX 1080
- 7+7 TOPs (FP32+INT32) and 57 Tensor TFLOPs
- GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GPU - Starting at $499, Available July 9
- Up to 24% faster (average 16%) than RTX 2070
- Faster than GTX 1080 Ti
- 9+9 TOPs (FP32+INT32) and 73 Tensor TFLOPs
- GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER GPU - Starting at $699, Available July 23
- Memory speed cranked up to 15.5Gbps
- Faster than TITAN Xp
- 11+11 TOPs (FP32+INT32) and 89 Tensor TFLOPs
This is all making my current 980ti seem a little antiquated, given that it was released way back in 2015 but it’s still a pretty good GPU. When I finally come to upgrade, it’s nice to see even more options on the table. Especially nice, that NVIDIA are pricing these new "SUPER" units at around the same as the existing cards. They could have come up with a better name though!
NVIDIA also announced the FrameView application designed to let you measure framerates, frame times, power, and performance-per-watt on a wide range of graphics cards. Only Windows was mentioned with this though, sadly.
You can see their official announcement here and also here.
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trawzified 2 Jul 2019
I might upgrade to one of these, particularly the RTX 2070 Super looks interesting. My GTX 980 is having issues keeping up with my 1440p 165hz monitor, and these prices don't seem that bad.
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gradyvuckovic 2 Jul 2019
What about GPU memory? Any change there?
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In case you thought that the post-GTX naming convention wasn't bad enough...
I wonder even more about GTX 1660 - why isn't it GTX 1160?
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What about GPU memory? Any change there?
The old RTX 2600 only had 6GB, the new one has 8GB.
I was interested in the old RTX 2070, but the 2060 Super is cheaper and just as fast now.
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In case you thought that the post-GTX naming convention wasn't bad enough...
At least it's not taking a page out of the Nintendo (And numerous others) playbook by putting the word "New" in front of it instead.
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RTX 2060 super appears interesting however model without rt cores must be have lower tdp and reduced factor too
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Meh, I'm more looking forward to what AMD's up to. NVidia doesn't support OSS so it doesn't belong on a Linux system.
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Unusual for them to release upgrades so soon after previous iteration, but I think it's their response to upcoming AMD Navi.
AMD finally managed to produce more competitive microarchitecture (RDNA). It's a new hardware implementation of their instruction set (which they kept as GCN). They solved some major efficiency issues that caused high power consumption for them in the past. So in a few iterations, RDNA will be very competitive with Nvidia not only in performance, but also in power efficiency. Nvidia are naturally worried - competition is intensifying.
Regarding new cards, I don't see a point in buying Nvidia today for Linux gamers. With AMD totally caught up on the drivers side (radeonsi / radv) and close to catching up in hardware (RDNA), Nvidia's blob downsides are just not worth it. If you want a card that works properly with the Linux stack, get AMD.
I'll quote the leading Nouveau developer, Ilia Mirkin:
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AMD finally managed to produce more competitive microarchitecture (RDNA). It's a new hardware implementation of their instruction set (which they kept as GCN). They solved some major efficiency issues that caused high power consumption for them in the past. So in a few iterations, RDNA will be very competitive with Nvidia not only in performance, but also in power efficiency. Nvidia are naturally worried - competition is intensifying.
Regarding new cards, I don't see a point in buying Nvidia today for Linux gamers. With AMD totally caught up on the drivers side (radeonsi / radv) and close to catching up in hardware (RDNA), Nvidia's blob downsides are just not worth it. If you want a card that works properly with the Linux stack, get AMD.
I'll quote the leading Nouveau developer, Ilia Mirkin:
Moral of the story... just get an Intel or AMD board and move on with life. NVIDIA has no interest in supporting open-source, and so if you want to support open-source, pick a company that aligns with this.
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That link that Shmerl posted give a good write-up from Ilia Mirkin, explaining how
VBIOS works.
VBIOS works.
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Not in my price range (anything above €200 seems excessive to me, given my gaming habits). Also, my next GPU (and CPU) will be AMD, come what may.
But I assume my 2015 GTX 950 will last me another year or two. By the time I'll finally replace it, any €180-200 card will blow it out of the water :-).
But I assume my 2015 GTX 950 will last me another year or two. By the time I'll finally replace it, any €180-200 card will blow it out of the water :-).
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i hope the radeon VII will drop in price.... i really want that one
I don't expect it to drop. It uses a lot of expensive VRAM (HBM2), that's the main reason for its high price. AMD don't really have control over that. It's also why they went with GDDR6 for Navi. It's a lot cheaper.
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So in a few iterations, RDNA will be very competitive with Nvidia not only in performance, but also in power efficiency. Nvidia are naturally worried - competition is intensifying.Unless you are a time traveller, this is merely wishful thinking. AMD might become competitive, it might not.
I don't see a point in buying Nvidia today for Linux gamers.Yeah, with the exception of best performance, best power consumption and a decade plus history of Linux (and BSD!) support, there is no point.
Nvidia's blob downsides are just not worth it. If you want a card that works properly with the Linux stack, get AMD.To me there is only one downside: it's a blob. There, that's it. On everything else, it does exactly what I want it to do. One thing I'll give you though is laptops, where Optimus is a pain under Linux. But on desktop it's just smooth sailing. Of course YMMV, my setup (see "view PC info") works for me.
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Unless you are a time traveller, this is merely wishful thinking. AMD might become competitive, it might not.
AMD claim they did, and I don't see why they would make that up. If you want more details, see overview of their new microarch. They basically put people who worked on optimizing Zen to work on RDNA. Their focus was to optimize power consumption explicitly. So Nvidia lost their edge now, but as with Zen vs Intel, it will take a few iterations to polish stuff. With Zen it took them 3 generations to start beating Intel point blank.
Yeah, with the exception of best performance, best power consumption and a decade plus history of Linux (and BSD!) support, there is no point.
Are you even answering my comment? I already said it above. Nvidia has a bad history of support when it comes to drivers. I don't need to explain to you why, you should know it already. Performance of the hardware - yes, their microarch was the best, until today. But unlike AMD they don't have a new one to show, while AMD do. This SUPER release is not a new hardware, it's them squeezing the current one. So competition is going to kick in for real now.
I doubt though Nvidia will be so pressured as to open up their drivers. So I'll repeat what I said - no need for Linux gamers to use it, until they do. Next year there will be more options than just AMD with Intel making high end GPU with open drivers.
To me there is only one downside: it's a blob. There, that's it.
It's pretty much the source of most of the problems that Nvidia driver has on Linux. Total lack of upstream integration. All the rest of its dysfunctions are just consequences of the above. So yeah, that's it. It's the root cause. Until it's fixed, Nvidia experience on Linux will remain subpar, with support always lagging behind. Come back to this topic, once they'll cover XWayland use case. Though at that point, they'll be behind 10 other new things.
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Schattenspiegel 2 Jul 2019
Let me quickly grab a roll or two of my SUPER-money from the restroom (I like to keep it stored in handy rolls there) to pay for one of these SUPER-cards...
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I kinda like the naming scheme, using "super" feels like a throwback to when I was kid with a SNES, everything was super back then ;) And I'll take super over them rebranding the cards as a 2100/3000 series. Overall this is a good mid generation refresh, brings a lot more value to the 2060/2070 skus and keeps them in the clear lead in terms of raw performance over AMD.
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According to this this phoronix benchmark, Radeon is very competitive over nVidia.
You get more for your dollar.. So, I agree with shmerl.
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You get more for your dollar.. So, I agree with shmerl.
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According to this this phoronix benchmark, Radeon is very competitive over nVidia.
You get more for your dollar.. So, I agree with shmerl.
Drivers wise sure, AMD/Mesa has been very competitive for a while already. However Nvidia still has hardware edge, especially in power consumption. That's what RDNA was supposed to address in part. So let's wait and see how Navi will fare. The fact that Nvidia rushed out their SUPER release shows they see RDNA as formidable competition.
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do the higher AMD cards work better with DirectX to Vulkan then Nvidia cards in steam play
Do you mean general performance or bugs? Not sure about bugs, but AMD actually often beats comparable Nvidia cards in Wine+dxvk case.
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