NVIDIA have announced their new "GeForce RTX SUPER Series" lineup

Not in my price range (anything above €200 seems excessive to me, given my gaming habits). Also, my next GPU (and CPU) will be AMD, come what may.

But I assume my 2015 GTX 950 will last me another year or two. By the time I'll finally replace it, any €180-200 card will blow it out of the water :-).

i hope the radeon VII will drop in price.... i really want that one

Quoting: seveni hope the radeon VII will drop in price.... i really want that one

I don't expect it to drop. It uses a lot of expensive VRAM (HBM2), that's the main reason for its high price. AMD don't really have control over that. It's also why they went with GDDR6 for Navi. It's a lot cheaper.


Last edited by Shmerl on 2 July 2019 at 6:13 pm UTC

Quoting: ShmerlSo in a few iterations, RDNA will be very competitive with Nvidia not only in performance, but also in power efficiency. Nvidia are naturally worried - competition is intensifying.

Unless you are a time traveller, this is merely wishful thinking. AMD might become competitive, it might not.

Quoting: ShmerlI don't see a point in buying Nvidia today for Linux gamers.

Yeah, with the exception of best performance, best power consumption and a decade plus history of Linux (and BSD!) support, there is no point.

Quoting: ShmerlNvidia's blob downsides are just not worth it. If you want a card that works properly with the Linux stack, get AMD.

To me there is only one downside: it's a blob. There, that's it. On everything else, it does exactly what I want it to do. One thing I'll give you though is laptops, where Optimus is a pain under Linux. But on desktop it's just smooth sailing. Of course YMMV, my setup (see "view PC info") works for me.

Quoting: callciferUnless you are a time traveller, this is merely wishful thinking. AMD might become competitive, it might not.

AMD claim they did, and I don't see why they would make that up. If you want more details, see overview of their new microarch. They basically put people who worked on optimizing Zen to work on RDNA. Their focus was to optimize power consumption explicitly. So Nvidia lost their edge now, but as with Zen vs Intel, it will take a few iterations to polish stuff. With Zen it took them 3 generations to start beating Intel point blank.

QuoteYeah, with the exception of best performance, best power consumption and a decade plus history of Linux (and BSD!) support, there is no point.

Are you even answering my comment? I already said it above. Nvidia has a bad history of support when it comes to drivers. I don't need to explain to you why, you should know it already. Performance of the hardware - yes, their microarch was the best, until today. But unlike AMD they don't have a new one to show, while AMD do. This SUPER release is not a new hardware, it's them squeezing the current one. So competition is going to kick in for real now.

I doubt though Nvidia will be so pressured as to open up their drivers. So I'll repeat what I said - no need for Linux gamers to use it, until they do. Next year there will be more options than just AMD with Intel making high end GPU with open drivers.

Quoting: callciferTo me there is only one downside: it's a blob. There, that's it.

It's pretty much the source of most of the problems that Nvidia driver has on Linux. Total lack of upstream integration. All the rest of its dysfunctions are just consequences of the above. So yeah, that's it. It's the root cause. Until it's fixed, Nvidia experience on Linux will remain subpar, with support always lagging behind. Come back to this topic, once they'll cover XWayland use case. Though at that point, they'll be behind 10 other new things.


Last edited by Shmerl on 2 July 2019 at 7:43 pm UTC

Let me quickly grab a roll or two of my SUPER-money from the restroom (I like to keep it stored in handy rolls there) to pay for one of these SUPER-cards...

I kinda like the naming scheme, using "super" feels like a throwback to when I was kid with a SNES, everything was super back then ;) And I'll take super over them rebranding the cards as a 2100/3000 series. Overall this is a good mid generation refresh, brings a lot more value to the 2060/2070 skus and keeps them in the clear lead in terms of raw performance over AMD.

According to this this phoronix benchmark, Radeon is very competitive over nVidia.
You get more for your dollar.. So, I agree with shmerl.


Last edited by sr_ls_boy on 2 July 2019 at 7:49 pm UTC

Quoting: sr_ls_boyAccording to this this phoronix benchmark, Radeon is very competitive over nVidia.
You get more for your dollar.. So, I agree with shmerl.

Drivers wise sure, AMD/Mesa has been very competitive for a while already. However Nvidia still has hardware edge, especially in power consumption. That's what RDNA was supposed to address in part. So let's wait and see how Navi will fare. The fact that Nvidia rushed out their SUPER release shows they see RDNA as formidable competition.


Last edited by Shmerl on 2 July 2019 at 8:01 pm UTC

Quoting: EMO GANGSTERdo the higher AMD cards work better with DirectX to Vulkan then Nvidia cards in steam play

Do you mean general performance or bugs? Not sure about bugs, but AMD actually often beats comparable Nvidia cards in Wine+dxvk case.


Last edited by Shmerl on 2 July 2019 at 8:22 pm UTC