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Available now are both the GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER and GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, with the GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER due to release later on July 23rd.
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Both cards are based on the Turing architecture, come with 8GB GDDR6 as standard, they also both have a 14Gbps listed Memory Speed, a 256-bit listed Memory Interface Width and 448GB/sec listed Memory Bandwidth. As for the rest, I've listed some of the specifications for each below:
GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER
- 2176 "NVIDIA CUDA Cores"
- 1470Mhz Base Clock + 1650Mhz Boost Clock
GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER
- 2560 "NVIDIA CUDA Cores"
- 1605Mhz Base Clock + 1770Mhz Boost Clock
More info on the cards can be found on the official NVIDIA website.
As for the brand new 430.34 driver release, it's a pretty small and focused update to add in support for the new cards. It adds support for the GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER, GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, Quadro RTX 4000 with Max-Q Design and Quadro RTX 5000 with Max-Q Design and nothing else is noted for it.
Find the details on the new driver here.
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Quoting: x_wing...
As a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...
Performance? Last time I checked, AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia. On userbenchamark 2080ti (flagship, not best Nvidia GPU) is more than 25% more powerful than 5700 XT (best AMD GPU). And that's raw power, I am pretty sure games and game engines are much better optimized for Nvidia than AMD, so the real gap in performance in games is probably much bigger.
As a Linux user I see a clear reason why to buy Nvidia hardware.
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Quoting: monnefQuoting: x_wing...
As a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...
Performance? Last time I checked, AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia. On userbenchamark 2080ti (flagship, not best Nvidia GPU) is more than 25% more powerful than 5700 XT (best AMD GPU). And that's raw power, I am pretty sure games and game engines are much better optimized for Nvidia than AMD, so the real gap in performance in games is probably much bigger.
As a Linux user I see a clear reason why to buy Nvidia hardware.
You can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end. But still, I would go for a Radeon VII all the time instead of the RTX 2080 (radeon vii benchs ).
Anyway, not everyone has a budget for a 2080 Ti and RX 5700 has a way better performance per dollar ratio than their Nvidia counter parts. And as I already said, in the same way as in Windows, AMD GPUs gives you a better performance per dollar than Nvidia: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-sub200-2019gpus&num=9
Last edited by x_wing on 10 July 2019 at 11:50 am UTC
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Quoting: GuestQuoting: dvdAlso, getting stuff into the kernel and distributions is going a way above putting out a blob that may or may not work with your version of a kernel. (Plus they made an effort to incorporate most of their software (aside the firmware) to the larger linux ecosystem).
Then I was very lucky that it always worked for me, even with the betas on arch. Mesa on the other hand was VERY buggy with native linux games not so long ago - your kernel didn't matter.
Really? Maybe that was because AMD only started to push the open stack very recently, until then they had a separate driver much like nvidia. Ever since they made the effort to develop their open stack it's been very solid.
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Quoting: x_wingYou can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end.It is not "highest end", it is "high end". Nvidia has even more powerful cards like Titan or Quadro...
Quoting: x_wingBut still, I would go for a Radeon VII all the time instead of the RTX 2080 (radeon vii benchs ).Yeah, for low and mid range I would too go with AMD. But on the high end of a performance spectrum there is no choice, there is no competitor for 2080ti or higher. (Also worth noting more performant AMD GPUs had issues with overheating and shutting down pc [without overclocking], not sure if it is fixed.) If you want performance, you don't care much, if at all, about fps/$ ratio. In my case I am planning to buy Index, so I am saving for high end GPU to be able to feed 144FPS (or at least 90) at >4k resolution with reasonable quality settings. And don't get me wrong, I would prefer an AMD card, but there is simply none in this specific (sub)market. I hope my next card will be AMD, that the next (or after next) gen AMD cards will start competing with high end Nvidia ones.
Anyway, not everyone has a budget for a 2080 Ti and RX 5700 has a way better performance per dollar ratio than their Nvidia counter parts. And as I already said, in the same way as in Windows, AMD GPUs gives you a better performance per dollar than Nvidia: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-sub200-2019gpus&num=9
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Quoting: monnefQuoting: x_wingYou can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end.It is not "highest end", it is "high end". Nvidia has even more powerful cards like Titan or Quadro...
Radeon VII and the 2080 are still high end, though. It's a big cluster of things that tier (a lets keep Quadro out of Scope, as we would have to bring AMD PRO and Frontier edition)
Quoting: monnefYeah, for low and mid range I would too go with AMD. But on the high end of a performance spectrum there is no choice, there is no competitor for 2080ti or higher. (Also worth noting more performant AMD GPUs had issues with overheating and shutting down pc [without overclocking], not sure if it is fixed.)
I will not argue that 2080ti has no competition for now. But Radeon VII is also high end, in the same way as RTX 2070 and 5700 XT are middle-high end. But saying that "AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia" or that Mesa features are a "concentrating on useless things" is a complete bias.
There way too many advantages of having the Open Source driver (remember gallium-nine?) and the hardware that sells AMD has an excellent performance compared to Nvidia (if not better). We are talking about the quality of a product in our OS, and AMD exceeds by far to Nvidia products in almost every tier (from my point of view).
By the way, regarding the overheating "issue" both sides has this troubles: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-2080-ti-gpu-defects-launch,37995.html
Quoting: x_wingIf you want performance, you don't care much, if at all, about fps/$ ratio. In my case I am planning to buy Index, so I am saving for high end GPU to be able to feed 144FPS (or at least 90) at >4k resolution with reasonable quality settings. And don't get me wrong, I would prefer an AMD card, but there is simply none in this specific (sub)market. I hope my next card will be AMD, that the next (or after next) gen AMD cards will start competing with high end Nvidia ones.
Well, you're a very specific customer so that is way you prefer a product created for a very specific market. But for almost everyone else, AMD still have excellent product in all the tiers and is (from my point of view) the best choice for a Linux user.
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Quoting: GuestNot really, but it seems like it does have quite a few disadvantages.
What kind? The only reason Nvidia is not opening their driver is anti-competitive. I.e. they want leverage over server market. Are you whitewashing such kind of behavior? What Nvidia doing is disgusting, and not something Linux users should be accepting.
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Quoting: ShmerlQuoting: GuestNot really, but it seems like it does have quite a few disadvantages.
What kind? The only reason Nvidia is not opening their driver is anti-competitive. I.e. they want leverage over server market. Are you whitewashing such kind of behavior? What Nvidia doing is disgusting, and not something Linux users should be accepting.
And AMD is doing the same thing. They open the trivial stuff, but keep other things they think are important. Like the actual shader compiler of the AMD driver.
They are companies, they do what suits them. AMD is no more ethical than NVidia is.
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Quoting: EhvisAnd AMD is doing the same thing. They open the trivial stuff, but keep other things they think are important. Like the actual shader compiler of the AMD driver.
They are companies, they do what suits them. AMD is no more ethical than NVidia is.
They might do what "suits them", but when it's anti-competitive junk, I don't get why Linux users jump to whitewash it.
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Quoting: ShmerlQuoting: EhvisAnd AMD is doing the same thing. They open the trivial stuff, but keep other things they think are important. Like the actual shader compiler of the AMD driver.
They are companies, they do what suits them. AMD is no more ethical than NVidia is.
They might do what "suits them", but when it's anti-competitive junk, I don't get why Linux users jump to whitewash it.
Because if the roles were reversed and nvidia would be playing catch up, AMD would be no different. It's simple business. The only thing that matters is that it is preferable to have open support for hardware. Which is a bandwagon I will step on when support is complete. Unfortunately, things open source can also take a lot of time.
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Quoting: EhvisThe only thing that matters is that it is preferable to have open support for hardware.
Not preferable, required for proper Linux support. I.e. those who don't do it while having all resources to, are foul players in the Linux ecosystem. And Nvidia is such an example. Hypothetical speculation like "what if it was reversed" is pointless.
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