Today, NVIDIA's brand new "SUPER" series has been officially released, along with a new Linux driver.
Available now are both the GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER and GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, with the GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER due to release later on July 23rd.
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Both cards are based on the Turing architecture, come with 8GB GDDR6 as standard, they also both have a 14Gbps listed Memory Speed, a 256-bit listed Memory Interface Width and 448GB/sec listed Memory Bandwidth. As for the rest, I've listed some of the specifications for each below:
GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER
- 2176 "NVIDIA CUDA Cores"
- 1470Mhz Base Clock + 1650Mhz Boost Clock
GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER
- 2560 "NVIDIA CUDA Cores"
- 1605Mhz Base Clock + 1770Mhz Boost Clock
More info on the cards can be found on the official NVIDIA website.
As for the brand new 430.34 driver release, it's a pretty small and focused update to add in support for the new cards. It adds support for the GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER, GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, Quadro RTX 4000 with Max-Q Design and Quadro RTX 5000 with Max-Q Design and nothing else is noted for it.
Find the details on the new driver here.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Quoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9)
Actually amdgpu / radeonsi were same day. Only amdvlk wasn't, and radv developers pushed theirs like right after release.
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Any signs of full support to Optimus system?
(I mean, change integrated to dedicated card without reloging).
(I mean, change integrated to dedicated card without reloging).
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Quoting: ShmerlQuoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9)
Actually amdgpu / radeonsi were same day. Only amdvlk wasn't, and radv developers pushed theirs like right after release.
Also, getting stuff into the kernel and distributions is going a way above putting out a blob that may or may not work with your version of a kernel. (Plus they made an effort to incorporate most of their software (aside the firmware) to the larger linux ecosystem).
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Quoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9)
You are looking on it in bad way. nVidia is not supporting open-source at all - for example Pascal cards could only display 2D graphics without 3D support... Yes, there is extremely proprietary nVidia driver that in theory "just works". In reality yes - it "just works" with games, but meantime it is creating many weird glitches/errors in many, many applications and situations (like glitches after resume from hibernation). I know what I'm saying because I still have nVidia GeForce 1070, but definitely my next GPU will be AMD (or Intel Xe if it will be good enough), because they are supporting open-source and EVERYTHING on Linux - not only 3D and games...
With AMD is very different story. They have their own proprietary and open drivers and yes - they did not managed to prepare it on time for distributions today used by users (like Fedora 30, Ubuntu 9.04, etc). But Red Hat and Valve did it with RADV, so drivers are available but at this point not with "user friendly" install. Yes, it is unfortunate, but - at least if someone really need it - it is already accessible. "Normal users" need to wait for next edition of distributions like Fedora 31, etc.
In the future there will be another GPU 3D capable with open-source support - Intel Xe. It looks like Intel will manage to prepare drivers many months before GPU premiere, so situation should be much better than with AMD today.
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Quoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9)
If you like to buy hardware on the release date, that's definitely a problem (that can be fixed, though). In the other hand, for almost 99% of the Linux users AMD hardware is 100% plug and play.
As a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...
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Averages less than 5% faster than a RX5700XT for 25% more money - thanks, I'll pass.
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Quoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9)
Didn't AMD have launch-day driver support? Only the Vulkan bits weren't (and still aren't) open source yet (AMDVLK), but RADV devs are taking care of that.
Open source integration often means release cycles decoupled from hw releases, which can sometimes lead to support delays, but I'm not buying HW (or software) on day 1, anyways.
Quoting: ThormackAny signs of full support to Optimus system?
(I mean, change integrated to dedicated card without reloging).
Note: if anyone wants to do that with the full open stack (might require Wayland as well?), prefixing the command with DRI_PRIME=true should be enough to launch it on the dedicated GPU.
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Quoting: GuestOpen-source is not a religion anyway.Saint IGNUcius would be shocked. Shocked!
More seriously it's been my experience that people often say things like "X isn't a religion" when what they mean is "I don't care about ethics and I don't want to have to defend that". There are ethical and functional reasons to prefer open source when it's feasible, particularly when it comes to infrastructure or other as it were "central" things which can create lock-in. The world would be a better place in significant respects if, in all the niches that have open source versions, those open source versions dominated over closed.
Games are a weird corner case in which open source is rarely feasible, and there are various reasons why it is difficult for that to change and why it doesn't matter nearly as much. Although game engines are another matter and I would be very pleased if Godot becomes a dominant player. From their evanescence (usually) to the importance of art assets, it just doesn't work well, at least in our kind of economy. Even Richard Stallman is on record in agreeing that games are something of a special case. So not worrying about the open sourceness of games is not really a reason you shouldn't be allowed to find open source important in general. And in general, open source is in fact important.
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Quoting: GuestQuoting: dannielloYes, there is extremely proprietary nVidia driver that in theory "just works". In reality yes - it "just works" with games, but meantime it is creating many weird glitches/errors in many, many applications and situations (like glitches after resume from hibernation).
Same true for mesa+amd/intel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395421
Not amdgpu bug though.
Quoting: GuestQuoting: x_wingIf you like to buy hardware on the release date, that's definitely a problem (that can be fixed, though). In the other hand, for almost 99% of the Linux users AMD hardware is 100% plug and play.
It's really not. A lot of linux users on steam experience issues with amd(vulkan drivers missing, glitches, bad perf. etc) and there are games which don't support amd.
And in the same way many Nvidia users experience issues with nvidia proprietary driver
https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/issues/1100
Quoting: GuestQuoting: x_wingAs a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...
Because you're ignoring facts and concentrating on useless things.
And you're ignoring the fact that I've been using Mesa for gaming for more than three years now. Also, talking about useless things, would you recommend a user that gets the latest nvidia card to install it using their .run installer? Yes, you have "support" from day zero but it isn't for everyone.
The way that amd supports their hardware now days is definitely they way to go on Linux. And no, it's not "useless" to have a working driver out of the box.
Quoting: GuestNvidia provides a better performance for a good value. It also has the best high-end cards, its cards consume less electricity and have better heat management(the new navi cards have cooling issues according to the users).
Unless you're obsessed with wayland, there's no point in getting an amd gpu other than the 5700xt(assuming that the card's price will drop soon and it can deliver).
But you buy your cards based on the power consumption or the performance per dollar that they give you? If the latter, the scenario is pretty much the same as in Windows (i.e. the 570 were kicking asses, and the 5700 will do the same with their current price).
I'm not obsessed in any way with wayland (???), I as many others just like to get the best quality and support from the money I invest. So, AMDGPU is an extra quality that sums up to the hardware, so that's why I'll always be willing to even pay an extra for AMD GPU.
In the same way I buy games on Steam because they are doing the right thing in my OS, I also apply the same logic when I have to buy hardware (i.e. Intel and AMD will always get my money, Nvidia won't)
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I used to be hardware guru back in the 90's but nowadays I need a layman's table. Can somebody quickly summarise which AMD's GPU and CPU compare to which Nvidia's GPU and Intel's CPU for flagship models? I'm lost in all that Vega Ryzen RTX Skylake Turing bullshit.
Liam, how about a "gaming hardware for noobs" article?
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Liam, how about a "gaming hardware for noobs" article?
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