A new teaser is up for the FPS 'TO4: Tactical Operations' with testing opening up soon

So many memories and hours spent on those maps (nearly 20 years ago...I'm so old!). Would love to test it.

Oh hey, I remember this game! I played it back when it was a mod for UT99. I really like the map with the huge dam.

That said, I feel that this game is going to have a rough time, because it doesn't seem to differentiate itself enough from its main competitor: CS:GO. Looking at the Steam page, there are a few nuances here and there like the player moving at the same speed regardless of the weapon he's carrying (why the knife makes you go faster in CS:GO, I'll never know), but will it be enough to convince Joe Average to get this instead of playing CS:GO? I'm interested to see how this pans out.


Last edited by ixnari on 30 September 2019 at 8:01 pm UTC

but will it be enough to convince Joe Average to buy this instead of playing CS:GO for free?

TO4: Tactical Operations, the upcoming free first-person shooter

This is free as well.

A tactical game with bunny hopping? Well...

I loved the first one, it was really great, I played another, it's an ut 03/04 mod, really beautiful, but impossible to find a match.

Why did they make this game? Graphics, animations, gameplay, even the text in the game look exactly like Counter-Strike.

Why did they make this game? Graphics, animations, gameplay, even the text in the game look exactly like Counter-Strike.

Not really.
It looks like Tactical Ops, which actually is what this game is inspired by.


Last edited by Interknet on 30 September 2019 at 2:03 pm UTC

Why did they make this game? Graphics, animations, gameplay, even the text in the game look exactly like Counter-Strike.

Not really.
It looks like Tactical Ops, which actually is what this game is inspired by.

Indeed. and to add, counter strike and Tactical ops were developed and released nearly on the same time (counter strike released in Beta in June 1999; T.O. as a complete non-beta mod in dec 1999). CS was finished and became a game in itself in Nov 2000.


So T.O. was not a copy of CS.
The main specificities of TO versus CS was the speed of the game that poorly matched gameplay based on camping and snipers, it rewarded more rushers, constructed collective actions because you can't die with just one bullet in the feet (like with AWP in CS); it has bots (not CS, only through PODbot -Ping of Death- and those bots were far less entertaining); Guns were more different (eg 2 of the shootguns had very different damages and dispersal); maps had a lot of side-paths; you can fight underwater (in the dam map for example); ... I can go on for lines. I never understood why teenagers at that time preferred CS (may be because to win, you must have a real team play, not a selfish behaviour?).
So the bunny jump may be there to get those TO specific speed/dynamics?

Just a note, I got an early key and the Linux build is there.

Just a note, I got an early key and the Linux build is there.

So, looking forward to your return (even review) ;-)

but will it be enough to convince Joe Average to buy this instead of playing CS:GO for free?

TO4: Tactical Operations, the upcoming free first-person shooter

This is free as well.

Whoops, right you are. Edited.

Argh... When I read UT99 mod I thought it was the successor of Infiltration, not this one. :(

No bunny jumping, crawling, night missions with lantern scopes...where every doorway 2 got in and 1 got killed...that was the thing

But good for the Liam, it will be a good Gaming on Linux read as always

Why did they make this game? Graphics, animations, gameplay, even the text in the game look exactly like Counter-Strike.

Not really.
It looks like Tactical Ops, which actually is what this game is inspired by.

Indeed. and to add, counter strike and Tactical ops were developed and released nearly on the same time (counter strike released in Beta in June 1999; T.O. as a complete non-beta mod in dec 1999). CS was finished and became a game in itself in Nov 2000.


So T.O. was not a copy of CS.
The main specificities of TO versus CS was the speed of the game that poorly matched gameplay based on camping and snipers, it rewarded more rushers, constructed collective actions because you can't die with just one bullet in the feet (like with AWP in CS); it has bots (not CS, only through PODbot -Ping of Death- and those bots were far less entertaining); Guns were more different (eg 2 of the shootguns had very different damages and dispersal); maps had a lot of side-paths; you can fight underwater (in the dam map for example); ... I can go on for lines. I never understood why teenagers at that time preferred CS (may be because to win, you must have a real team play, not a selfish behaviour?).
So the bunny jump may be there to get those TO specific speed/dynamics?

Sure, it has its own origin story. I'm still not convinced it needed to be remade. Why didn't it compete with Counter-Strike the first time and why will it be different this time? If you want something that is actually different and not just nuances, there is Insurgency.

Why did they make this game? Graphics, animations, gameplay, even the text in the game look exactly like Counter-Strike.

Not really.
It looks like Tactical Ops, which actually is what this game is inspired by.

Indeed. and to add, counter strike and Tactical ops were developed and released nearly on the same time (counter strike released in Beta in June 1999; T.O. as a complete non-beta mod in dec 1999). CS was finished and became a game in itself in Nov 2000.


So T.O. was not a copy of CS.
The main specificities of TO versus CS was the speed of the game that poorly matched gameplay based on camping and snipers, it rewarded more rushers, constructed collective actions because you can't die with just one bullet in the feet (like with AWP in CS); it has bots (not CS, only through PODbot -Ping of Death- and those bots were far less entertaining); Guns were more different (eg 2 of the shootguns had very different damages and dispersal); maps had a lot of side-paths; you can fight underwater (in the dam map for example); ... I can go on for lines. I never understood why teenagers at that time preferred CS (may be because to win, you must have a real team play, not a selfish behaviour?).
So the bunny jump may be there to get those TO specific speed/dynamics?

Sure, it has its own origin story. I'm still not convinced it needed to be remade. Why didn't it compete with Counter-Strike the first time and why will it be different this time? If you want something that is actually different and not just nuances, there is Insurgency.

I don't agree there. Insurgency is extremely different, it's a shooter sure but has a completely different feel and pace not to mention game mechanics to both TO and CS.

Why did they make this game? Graphics, animations, gameplay, even the text in the game look exactly like Counter-Strike.

Not really.
It looks like Tactical Ops, which actually is what this game is inspired by.

Indeed. and to add, counter strike and Tactical ops were developed and released nearly on the same time (counter strike released in Beta in June 1999; T.O. as a complete non-beta mod in dec 1999). CS was finished and became a game in itself in Nov 2000.


So T.O. was not a copy of CS.
The main specificities of TO versus CS was the speed of the game that poorly matched gameplay based on camping and snipers, it rewarded more rushers, constructed collective actions because you can't die with just one bullet in the feet (like with AWP in CS); it has bots (not CS, only through PODbot -Ping of Death- and those bots were far less entertaining); Guns were more different (eg 2 of the shootguns had very different damages and dispersal); maps had a lot of side-paths; you can fight underwater (in the dam map for example); ... I can go on for lines. I never understood why teenagers at that time preferred CS (may be because to win, you must have a real team play, not a selfish behaviour?).
So the bunny jump may be there to get those TO specific speed/dynamics?

Sure, it has its own origin story. I'm still not convinced it needed to be remade. Why didn't it compete with Counter-Strike the first time and why will it be different this time? If you want something that is actually different and not just nuances, there is Insurgency.

I don't agree there. Insurgency is extremely different, it's a shooter sure but has a completely different feel and pace not to mention game mechanics to both TO and CS.

What don't you agree with? My point is that Insurgency is different than CS whereas TO is not.

I guess I slightly misread you there then.

I've yet to properly dive into TO but I unless you've played a good deal of both, I don't think you can really say if they're really the same or not. I mean, it's not even properly released yet.