Google have confirmed the Stadia launch date is November 19

Quoting: chancho_zombie

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: chancho_zombie

Quoteand it will work across devices right away (so you don't need to use that fancy Chromecast Ultra). As long as your Linux PC has a Chrome browser installed, it should work fine.

I don't get this it should work on normal chrome browser even on android phones??. So then it should work in a normal Chromecast UH?

From what I read somewhere, it's because the original Chromecast doesn't support VP9.

I still don't get it. Wasn't stadia supposed to be interconnected with youtube?? I can stream from my linux pc with chrome or from my android phone to my chromecast, why should it be any different? I guess will have to wait to know the details why this is not possible.

you need to decode things fast in order to get an good experience, they only way to do that is with either an good processor, video card or asic.
chromecast 3 probably has an asic for vp9, and new phones can do that either by an asic on the cpu, the gpu or by bruthe force (without an dedicated hardware extension, using more cycles to process the same information, but still doing it fast enough)


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Quoting: elmapulyou need to decode things fast in order to get an good experience, they only way to do that is with either an good processor, video card or asic.

Current integrated graphics have built-in VP9 support.

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Quoting: Linuxwarperhttps://opensource.google/projects/explore/featured
android, chromium, go language, dart language, fuchsia os, kubernetes, webrtc, webm and many many more. And coincidentally some of those projects have benefited their competitors like amazon using the android fork, fireos ;

actually fuchsia may be a bad thing, it will be just like linux, except that the licence allow it to not be open source in the future

and fireos was not able to compete, competing is not as easy as to make a fork, especially when a lot of games use google play service and a lot of purchases of apps are done withing google play services, its a lock-in, an disguised one, but still an lock-in.

Quoting: elmapulactually fuchsia may be a bad thing...

Whoa, I'll believe Fuschia when I see it... Who know what, if anything, they'll do with that. I've long considered myself a Google fan, but I'm getting jaded after seeing head-scratching move after move... Especially after this bewildering Google hardware launch (Pixel 4 expensive and missing features, Pixelbook GO with WTF spec choices, no movement on Chrome OS in a while, killing services I use left and right, etc) I'm losing faith in their ability to read the market and to see things through to a satisfactory conclusion. Perpetually keeping everything in beta and treating things as disposable experiments that hundreds of millions of people around the world use every day is getting old... As a fan and early adopter of smartwatches and someone for whom that kind of notification system really fits with my workflow, their complete near abandonment of Wear OS has felt particularly insulting and betraying. It seems like Google is naval gazing too much and not plugged into their customers.

Quoting: elmapul...fireos was not able to compete

Considering the number of Fire devices Amazon has sold and how ubiquitous they are, and their likely level of investment (or lack thereof) in FireOS, I'm guessing they've been pretty happy with it....


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Quoting: elmapuli'm worried about DRM and censorship too, but lets take it easy for now.

It is not my intent to offend, I am not singling you out, just addressing the expressed sentiment, as it is eerily similar to what many people I talked with said when microtransactions were gaining a foothold (i.e. "wait and see"). I felt the writing on the wall was clear then, and I feel, in this instance, the writing on the wall is clear now.

Given consumer passivity, I believe streaming will become the norm in time (a few decades), although it seems unlikely to me that it will become pervasive with Google Stadia v1. And I do believe this is driven more by consumer passivity than by untapped consumer demand. That's not to say that I can't see the appeal of services like Stadia in certain situations, but I feel this is less about meeting untapped demand and more about transitioning (i.e. herding) an existing market in a way that further lessens consumer self-administration. The hype I see surrounding this (much like with "games as a service") is primarily coming from corporations telling consumers that they should want this and that it is in their best interests (convenience, savings, life cycle, connectivity, potential, etc), rather than most consumers salivating at the idea.

Some of these services are backed by expansive megacorporations, so pushback is difficult (they have louder megaphones, more of them, and your megaphones may be provided by them, and if so, they may opt to reduce the volume of your megaphones), but pushback is not necessarily impossible. However, it becomes nearly Sisyphean if waiting to address the negatives until these services are already entrenched (e.g. by the time certain games become exclusive to streaming platforms). The one possible wrench in the works is if we experience another video game industry crash (not likely, but not impossible), but that would probably only serve as a delay. (Note: Let me be clear that I do not want a video game industry crash.)

I love technological progress and I love the idea of making gaming more accessible, but I see this as having less to do with technology and accessibility and more having to do with consumer engineering. Because of the former, I can't reject it in concept, but because of the latter I can't endorse it or consider it a good thing in its present form.

As an aside, I feel infinitely less wary of Shadow, as Blade SAS is not an 800-pound gorilla.

Quoting: elmapulbe the future an utopy or an distopy, there is NOTHING we can do about it.

I disagree. I think something could be done about it, but won't be.


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Quoting: chancho_zombieI don't see google as a negative monopoly in this case it is a positive monopoly if they were that evil, they would work with the Chinese government to control everything because that would be their wet dream right?

Heh, I'm veering wildly offtopic here, but, er: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/02/google-working-on-censored-search-engine-for-china

If they used Linux servers, and the censored search engine could be accessed by Linux users in China, wouldn't that be worth the trade-off?

Quoting: vector

Quoting: elmapuli'm worried about DRM and censorship too, but lets take it easy for now.

It is not my intent to offend, I am not singling you out, just addressing the expressed sentiment, as it is eerily similar to what many people I talked with said when microtransactions were gaining a foothold (i.e. "wait and see"). I felt the writing on the wall was clear then, and I feel, in this instance, the writing on the wall is clear now.

Given consumer passivity, I believe streaming will become the norm in time (a few decades)

Ah, well. Civilization may well have fallen by then, so no worries.
Short of that, the same principle applies: It's really hard to extrapolate trends long term, especially these days, because there are so many other forces at work. Given current trends of consolidation, one might expect that within a few decades one elderly white man will be at the top of a single huge megacorporation which controls all the world's wealth. But in fact that is unlikely to happen; in one way or another, many current trends will be interrupted by other trends and events pushing in other directions.


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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: DesumOh goodie. The ultimate DRM and censorship scheme. I'm so excited this is being warmly received because the servers happen to be running on Linux.

i'm worried about DRM and censorship too, but lets take it easy for now.
just remember that chromeOS was online only too when it launched, i think stadia is just an temporary solution until they can get more marketshare for their chromeOS, then they will be able to entice more developers to add offline capabilities too.
actually, chromeOS may be the reason why they are doing stadia anyway, its the only way to make it grow, without games it would strugle to grow otherwise.
also, i'm pretty sure that sony or microsoft will attack that disadvantage that stadia has to attack it, so they will have to respond.

also: onlive is not alive anymore, not because the company was bankrupt but because they where acquired by sony to use their technology on psnow...
lets just remember that before they shut down their servers they offered the option to download your games from they. (cloud lift)

in any case.
be the future an utopy or an distopy, there is NOTHING we can do about it.

There is plenty we can do about it. Just because SOME things are not in our control, doesn't mean nothing is.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: elmapulyou need to decode things fast in order to get an good experience, they only way to do that is with either an good processor, video card or asic.

Current integrated graphics have built-in VP9 support.

yes, that built-in vp9 suport IS an asic, it dont matter if its part of the processor or gpu, it does have one.

Quoting: Desum

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: DesumOh goodie. The ultimate DRM and censorship scheme. I'm so excited this is being warmly received because the servers happen to be running on Linux.

i'm worried about DRM and censorship too, but lets take it easy for now.
just remember that chromeOS was online only too when it launched, i think stadia is just an temporary solution until they can get more marketshare for their chromeOS, then they will be able to entice more developers to add offline capabilities too.
actually, chromeOS may be the reason why they are doing stadia anyway, its the only way to make it grow, without games it would strugle to grow otherwise.
also, i'm pretty sure that sony or microsoft will attack that disadvantage that stadia has to attack it, so they will have to respond.

also: onlive is not alive anymore, not because the company was bankrupt but because they where acquired by sony to use their technology on psnow...
lets just remember that before they shut down their servers they offered the option to download your games from they. (cloud lift)

in any case.
be the future an utopy or an distopy, there is NOTHING we can do about it.

There is plenty we can do about it. Just because SOME things are not in our control, doesn't mean nothing is.

we cant even trust our processor, its pointless to have even an open source compiler if we can't trust the processor itself