No Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation for Linux but Ashes II and future Stardock titles should be

Removed from wishlist

Well, that just makes sense.

Porting a years-old title to Linux doesn't make any sense to begin with, honestly. I never got why they did that - but at least something good may yet come from their efforts.
Generally, Linux sales only seem to be worth it from a pure business perspective if they happen right on or very close to release.

Let's see if "Ashes II (and [...] other new titles)" will really come out on GNU/Linux. If not one might get the idea all this talk was just PR lies.

With Zero-K I don't miss that game at all.

DXVK was beating their native VLK renderer so i think that is not a surprise. And i think their future games with VLK will always be subpar. Since those are renderers that made up with Stadia in mind , not desktop consumers. So no need for optimization, Stadia can run it up anyway.

DXVK was beating their native VLK renderer so i think that is not a surprise. And i think their future games with VLK will always be subpar. Since those are renderers that made up with Stadia in mind , not desktop consumers. So no need for optimization, Stadia can run it up anyway.

I don't think this is warranted. Actually, the opposite is true: the more optimization they can squeeze out of Stadia, the less resources needed, the more profit.

I simply don't believe them, the same way I don't believe SMS about Project Cars... But frankly if it works with Steamplay without crashing that's fine.


Last edited by gojul on 1 Oct 2019 at 9:17 am UTC

DXVK was beating their native VLK renderer so i think that is not a surprise. And i think their future games with VLK will always be subpar. Since those are renderers that made up with Stadia in mind , not desktop consumers. So no need for optimization, Stadia can run it up anyway.

I don't think this is warranted. Actually, the opposite is true: the more optimization they can squeeze out of Stadia, the less resources needed, the more profit.

More optimization for Stadia...

I doubt they will do it given that Stadia literally have horsepower to run shittiest ports just fine. I bet AC Odyssey's VLK port was like that.

Let's say they will actually do optimizations. That will be clearly Vega 56 and AMDVLK driver specific. No need to test on another hardware and that is the actual point. On that update post Draginol hints this by saying

" The difference based on the video card set up is pretty drastic too (not blaming any video card drivers here but the variance is pretty huge and would result in some unhappy people)."

Isn't that obvious there will be never ever an intention to make it run on Linux desktop?

If they fixed all blocker issues and if it's doable without
excessive work they should release a Linux version.
Even if it won't pay by means of revenues.

It's bad business practice to simply not deliver promised products and will harm your rep.

Take it this way:

We promised, we'll deliver (even if it took years) - please consider supporting us with our next project.

If they fixed all blocker issues and if it's doable without
excessive work they should release a Linux version.
Even if it won't pay by means of revenues.

It's bad business practice to simply not deliver promised products and will harm your rep.

Take it this way:

We promised, we'll deliver (even if it took years) - please consider supporting us with our next project.

They didn't promise anything, in fact they clearly said before they were not making a promise. This harms nothing. Anyone who purchased it previously did so knowingly they were getting a Windows game that *may* end up with a Linux port.

If they fixed all blocker issues and if it's doable without
excessive work they should release a Linux version.
Even if it won't pay by means of revenues.

It's bad business practice to simply not deliver promised products and will harm your rep.

Take it this way:

We promised, we'll deliver (even if it took years) - please consider supporting us with our next project.

They didn't promise anything, in fact they clearly said before they were not making a promise. This harms nothing. Anyone who purchased it previously did so knowingly they were getting a Windows game that *may* end up with a Linux port.

Where did they say that?
I just remember statements that they are working hard on releasing a Linux version.
And a regular reminder that they can't promise to release it soon.

If they fixed all blocker issues and if it's doable without
excessive work they should release a Linux version.
Even if it won't pay by means of revenues.

It's bad business practice to simply not deliver promised products and will harm your rep.

Take it this way:

We promised, we'll deliver (even if it took years) - please consider supporting us with our next project.

They didn't promise anything, in fact they clearly said before they were not making a promise. This harms nothing. Anyone who purchased it previously did so knowingly they were getting a Windows game that *may* end up with a Linux port.

Where did they say that?
I just remember statements that they are working hard on releasing a Linux version.
And a regular reminder that they can't promise to release it soon.

I don't really get where people got this impression they actually confirmed 100% they would release it. They asked for requests and then over time gave an update on how they were doing. They never said with certainty that a Linux version would release just that they wanted to.

There's also this post here: "I don't want to make any promises".

Regardless, like I always tell people: Don't assume, buy it when it's released and not before.

If they fixed all blocker issues and if it's doable without
excessive work they should release a Linux version.
Even if it won't pay by means of revenues.

It's bad business practice to simply not deliver promised products and will harm your rep.

Take it this way:

We promised, we'll deliver (even if it took years) - please consider supporting us with our next project.

They didn't promise anything, in fact they clearly said before they were not making a promise. This harms nothing. Anyone who purchased it previously did so knowingly they were getting a Windows game that *may* end up with a Linux port.

Where did they say that?
I just remember statements that they are working hard on releasing a Linux version.
And a regular reminder that they can't promise to release it soon.

I don't really get where people got this impression they actually confirmed 100% they would release it. They asked for requests and then over time gave an update on how they were doing. They never said with certainty that a Linux version would release just that they wanted to.

There's also this post here: "I don't want to make any promises".

Regardless, like I always tell people: Don't assume, buy it when it's released and not before.

Would you agree with me that there is a significant difference in quality between statements

"I don't want to make any promises but...it's looking more and more like Linux will be arriving this year."

and

"I don't want to make any promises about a Linux build."

?

Would you agree with me that there is a significant difference in quality between statements

"I don't want to make any promises but...it's looking more and more like Linux will be arriving this year."

and

"I don't want to make any promises about a Linux build."

?

No because they clearly did not make a promise. An intention to do something, with it looking like something may happen is very far away from a promise.

I don't particularly care about Ashes, and I think they were transparent enough in this case.

But if their next games are indeed built with Linux support (rather than ported afterwards), that would be very exciting. Stardock makes some pretty good strategy games, and are one notorious gap in the otherwise great niche of "Linux strategy gameing".

Yeah, full of Sh*t as usual. Removed from wishlist.

You can say what you want, simple truth is simple. Zero linux native games from stardock on steam.

Pretty much this. I mean it has been since 2016. Maybe they did the same mistakes as many others who have failed with Linux: use non-Linux friendly tools to start with and then act surprised. I could be wrong tho.

DXVK was beating their native VLK renderer

How is that possible? DXVK only works for directx 10 and 11 games, not Vulkan games. Vulkan windows games run under wine do not use dxvk. And AFAIK Ashes of the Singularity is Vulkan only.

This game has d3d11 , d3d12 and Vulkan renderers at the same time. Since that game is heavily used for benchmarking purposes they were supporting all api's they can. You can easily see Ashes of Singularity on many benchmarks.

Independently from this news just today I tried their Vulkan release on Proton, but the game just claimed at launch that my AMD video drivers are outdated and it refused to start at all... but I do use Mesa-git!
Well, maybe they should ask for their next Linux endeavors some experts :-)

It will probably work with AMDVLK , aka Stadia driver.

Well, that just makes sense.

Porting a years-old title to Linux doesn't make any sense to begin with, honestly. I never got why they did that - but at least something good may yet come from their efforts.

Believe it or not, they originaly promised a full Linux port. So I guess they did not want to say a straight 'no' afterwards...

Anyways, this leaves a very bad taste in the mouth ...

If they fixed all blocker issues and if it's doable without
excessive work they should release a Linux version.
Even if it won't pay by means of revenues.

It's bad business practice to simply not deliver promised products and will harm your rep.

Take it this way:

We promised, we'll deliver (even if it took years) - please consider supporting us with our next project.

They didn't promise anything, in fact they clearly said before they were not making a promise. This harms nothing. Anyone who purchased it previously did so knowingly they were getting a Windows game that *may* end up with a Linux port.

Liam, woth all dur respect they DID pronise a Linux version when they hit EA early at the beginning. This promise then quitely disappeared from all their roadmaps.

Just to make this point clear ...