The last few years have shown what competition can really do. AMD went from being constantly bottom, to truly kicking some ass with the Zen processor design and they have more to come.
In a new press release covering AMD's Financial Analyst Day, AMD talked about some of their upcoming hardware plans and it's really getting exciting if you're an enthusiast. AMD claims they have now shipped "more than" 260 million of their Zen core procressors across Ryzen and EPYC.
To keep the momentum going, they've updated their roadmap of what's to come. They're going to be introducing another next-generation with Zen 3 later this year. On top of that, Zen 4 is also in the design phase and it should be using the 5nm process, which should bring some more impressive improvements once again. This is while Intel has admitted it's struggling to keep up right now, although they think they will regain some of this when they go to 7nm themselves in 2021.
On top of that, AMD also announced their newer GPU architecture with AMD RDNA will also see a next-generation AMD RDNA 2 which should become available later this year as well. AMD say this will give a "50% performance-per-watt improvement over the first-generation AMD RDNA architecture" and it will also support "hardware-accelerated ray tracing, variable rate shading (VRS) and other advanced features".
Part of all this advancement is their change in how they design the hardware. They said they're expanding upon the chiplet and die stacking, with a new "X3D" packing form that "combines chiplets and hybrid 2.5D and 3D die stacking to deliver more than a 10x increase in bandwidth density".
So late this year we can expect Zen 3 to come to AMD CPUs and AMD RDNA 2-based "Navi 2X" GPUs with AMD getting in the ray tracing game.
A lot to look forward to if you're going to be upgrading your gaming rig.
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lets just hope there will be proper launch day linux support with big navi ^^
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I was sure I was going to switch my old AMD FX-8320 for a Ryzen Zen 2 somewhere this year, but I wasn't completely convinced with the AMD RX 5700, though thought it might be a good replacement for my RX 480... I think I'll do my CPU upgrade and wait a little to see the RDNA 2 GPU selection!
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I'm very happy with my 2700X. Although the wattage of the 3700X is appealing, it's not worth upgrading just for that. I'm also happy with my RX 580 still. I get 100+ FPS in Overwatch and Deep Rock Galactic. That said, I will get a little itchy to upgrade to RDNA 2 if it launches with good Linux support just to keep up with the times.
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Would be interesting to see RDNA 2 cards that are high end, but not "extreme high end". I.e. priced around current top Navi cards.
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I was sure I was going to switch my old AMD FX-8320 for a Ryzen Zen 2 somewhere this year, but I wasn't completely convinced with the AMD RX 5700, though thought it might be a good replacement for my RX 480... I think I'll do my CPU upgrade and wait a little to see the RDNA 2 GPU selection!
I'm going to upgrade my FX-8350 for a Ryzen 7 Gen 2 as well, haha.
Would you go with a X570 motherboard ?
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slaapliedje Mar 7, 2020
Since RDNA2 will support Ray Tracing does that mean we can use it in games like Quake 2 RTX or Metro Exodus or would those games need to be patched to work with AMD?Good question, considering Nvidia did the work.
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Luke_Nukem Mar 7, 2020
"combines chiplets and hybrid 2.5D and 3D die stacking to deliver more than a 10x increase in bandwidth density"= Big gaming APUs. At last. This is what i have been waiting for, big fscking APUs able to game properly at 1080p plus gpgpu without latency!
Heck yes! I look forward to having a small cube PC which is almost all mini-ITX mobo and a heatsink. Though it's more likely to look like a shoebox with the power supply included.
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Depends on whether AMD adds support for Nvidia's VK_NV_ray_tracing Vulkan extension (somehow I doubt it), or rather the upcoming standard one being worked on by the Vulkan Ray Tracing TSG. The latest info I found is that the group is "fairly far along in the process". A few details about the design can be found on pages 27-30 of these SIGGRAPH presentation slides from last year.Since RDNA2 will support Ray Tracing does that mean we can use it in games like Quake 2 RTX or Metro Exodus or would those games need to be patched to work with AMD?Good question, considering Nvidia did the work.
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Since RDNA2 will support Ray Tracing does that mean we can use it in games like Quake 2 RTX or Metro Exodus or would those games need to be patched to work with AMD?From what I understand, there are no standardized extensions for ray tracing, NVIDIA added their own drivers extensions in Vulkan and OpenGL (see https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-turing ). So I doubt AMD will use the same extensions. That said, I'm sure with AMD entering the dance, some standardization will happen. It is a frequent pattern in the world of 3D drivers.
I'm unsure about that.. clearly PCIe 4.0 is the future, but X570 adds yet another (cheap?) fan and thus yet another possible source of noise. Since I don't do video editing, I know I won't need the extra bandwidth PCIe 4.0 offers. So in the end, I'm torn. I guess it will eventually depend on the price of these motherboards too.I was sure I was going to switch my old AMD FX-8320 for a Ryzen Zen 2 somewhere this year, but I wasn't completely convinced with the AMD RX 5700, though thought it might be a good replacement for my RX 480... I think I'll do my CPU upgrade and wait a little to see the RDNA 2 GPU selection!
I'm going to upgrade my FX-8350 for a Ryzen 7 Gen 2 as well, haha.
Would you go with a X570 motherboard ?
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I saved quite a lot of money when I went for the X470 instead a few months ago. Don't know if the price difference is still quite as high. I decided that using that cash to buy faster RAM instead was more practical.I'm going to upgrade my FX-8350 for a Ryzen 7 Gen 2 as well, haha.I'm unsure about that.. clearly PCIe 4.0 is the future, but X570 adds yet another (cheap?) fan and thus yet another possible source of noise. Since I don't do video editing, I know I won't need the extra bandwidth PCIe 4.0 offers. So in the end, I'm torn. I guess it will eventually depend on the price of these motherboards too.
Would you go with a X570 motherboard ?
I have to admit remembering a couple of chipset fans with noisy bearings from the olden times might have factored into my decision. Even if these modern ones are likely to be less crappy.
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While everyone will be looking at the high end stuff personally cant wait to see navi based apus love the Athlon and ryzen apus they work perfectly for the lan days conventions here in the uk. The athlon 3000 setups in particular are no bigger than a wii in size and can handle esports titles without issue.
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https://www.techarp.com/computer/amd-graphics-roadmap-2020/
https://www.techarp.com/computer/amd-computing-roadmap-2020/
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The first AMD RDNA 2-based products are expected to launch in late 2020.
https://www.techarp.com/computer/amd-computing-roadmap-2020/
AMD plans to introduce the first processors based on its next-generation 7nm Zen 3 core in late 2020.
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I'm going to upgrade my FX-8350 for a Ryzen 7 Gen 2 as well, haha.Well, I finally bought my new CPU: Ryzen 7 3800X (only 50$ more expensive than the 3700X).
Would you go with a X570 motherboard ?
So I went with the X570 eventually, and honestly, for now, I can't complain.
To support it, I took the Asus X570 TUF-Plus motherboard and some 16 GB of Corsair RAM @ 3600MHz.
Be careful: and I think this is true to any motherboard supporting DDR4, the base RAM clock is 2133MHz. DO NOT increase the memory frequency from the BIOS "Advanced" menu (I did that, got a permanent black screen and thought I bricked my machine), instead, use the "Ai Tweaker" menu and change the memory frequency there. I don't remember exactly but it was very simple in the end, one thing to change, like "Best frequency" or something, and it worked out-of-the-box.
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slaapliedje Mar 31, 2020
Ha, I have been far too lazy on all my builds to bother overclocking things, my systems in general run fast enough to where I doubt I would notice. Back when I used to do it, for some reasons it always felt slower.I'm going to upgrade my FX-8350 for a Ryzen 7 Gen 2 as well, haha.Well, I finally bought my new CPU: Ryzen 7 3800X (only 50$ more expensive than the 3700X).
Would you go with a X570 motherboard ?
So I went with the X570 eventually, and honestly, for now, I can't complain.
To support it, I took the Asus X570 TUF-Plus motherboard and some 16 GB of Corsair RAM @ 3600MHz.
Be careful: and I think this is true to any motherboard supporting DDR4, the base RAM clock is 2133MHz. DO NOT increase the memory frequency from the BIOS "Advanced" menu (I did that, got a permanent black screen and thought I bricked my machine), instead, use the "Ai Tweaker" menu and change the memory frequency there. I don't remember exactly but it was very simple in the end, one thing to change, like "Best frequency" or something, and it worked out-of-the-box.
It is like buying third party parts for an old 302 Boss, you end up with it performing worse than the stock parts!
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I'm going to upgrade my FX-8350 for a Ryzen 7 Gen 2 as well, haha.Well, I finally bought my new CPU: Ryzen 7 3800X (only 50$ more expensive than the 3700X).
Would you go with a X570 motherboard ?
So I went with the X570 eventually, and honestly, for now, I can't complain.
To support it, I took the Asus X570 TUF-Plus motherboard and some 16 GB of Corsair RAM @ 3600MHz.
Be careful: and I think this is true to any motherboard supporting DDR4, the base RAM clock is 2133MHz. DO NOT increase the memory frequency from the BIOS "Advanced" menu (I did that, got a permanent black screen and thought I bricked my machine), instead, use the "Ai Tweaker" menu and change the memory frequency there. I don't remember exactly but it was very simple in the end, one thing to change, like "Best frequency" or something, and it worked out-of-the-box.
Hey, on my end I a 2700X with a B450 and 16 GB of ram, it was enough for my use case and it was cheap AF. :D
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I'm going to upgrade my FX-8350 for a Ryzen 7 Gen 2 as well, haha.Well, I finally bought my new CPU: Ryzen 7 3800X (only 50$ more expensive than the 3700X).
Would you go with a X570 motherboard ?
So I went with the X570 eventually, and honestly, for now, I can't complain.
To support it, I took the Asus X570 TUF-Plus motherboard and some 16 GB of Corsair RAM @ 3600MHz.
Be careful: and I think this is true to any motherboard supporting DDR4, the base RAM clock is 2133MHz. DO NOT increase the memory frequency from the BIOS "Advanced" menu (I did that, got a permanent black screen and thought I bricked my machine), instead, use the "Ai Tweaker" menu and change the memory frequency there. I don't remember exactly but it was very simple in the end, one thing to change, like "Best frequency" or something, and it worked out-of-the-box.
Hey, on my end I a 2700X with a B450 and 16 GB of ram, it was enough for my use case and it was cheap AF. :D
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Ha, I have been far too lazy on all my builds to bother overclocking things, my systems in general run fast enough to where I doubt I would notice. Back when I used to do it, for some reasons it always felt slower.Same here, but buying a 3600 MHz DDR4 RAM and only having 2133 MHz... It's almost half! I couldn't let that pass :D
It is like buying third party parts for an old 302 Boss, you end up with it performing worse than the stock parts!
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I found the whole process of setting my RAM to run at the advertised frequency and latencies on my Asus Prime X470-Pro more than a bit unintuitive. Why does every brand have their own "cool" names for this stuff? "AI Tweaker" and "AI Overclock Tuner" my ass.Ha, I have been far too lazy on all my builds to bother overclocking things, my systems in general run fast enough to where I doubt I would notice. Back when I used to do it, for some reasons it always felt slower.Same here, but buying a 3600 MHz DDR4 RAM and only having 2133 MHz... It's almost half! I couldn't let that pass :D
It is like buying third party parts for an old 302 Boss, you end up with it performing worse than the stock parts!
Like you, I found the correct setting only after wasting some time fiddling with manual configuration. One reason for this is that I didn't know D.O.C.P is the AMD equivalent for Intel's XMP, this being my first AMD setup in years. Another was me thinking that as I was just trying to configure my hardware to match the spec on the label, whyever would I want to enable these fancy sounding overclocking features?
Rant over. Sorry.
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