System76, Linux hardware and software vendor has today formally begun teasing the new 'Lemur Pro' laptop and it's their most open yet.
With a price that will start at $1099 it's not going to be a low-end machine, far from it, sounds like a sweet unit for many uses. System76 say you will be able to "Watch all of Lord of the Rings in 10 hours. Read Wikipedia articles for 16 hours or write code in VIM for 21 hours straight…without plugging in", at the default brightness level. Pretty good sounding battery life, compared with my own laptop lasting all of 2 hours doing anything.
Okay, so what makes it their 'most open yet?'. Well, they're going to be using System76 Open Firmware for starters which includes Coreboot, EDK2, System76 Firmware Apps. It's also going to have their open source embedded controller firmware System76 EC.
As for some specifications, get a load of this:
| Operating System |
Pop!_OS 19.10 (64-bit), Pop!_OS 18.04 LTS (64-bit), or Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (64-bit) |
| Processor |
10th Gen Intel® Core i5-10210U: 1.6 up to 4.2 GHz - 6MB Cache - 4 Cores - 8 Threads 10th Gen Intel® Core i7-10510U: 1.8 up to 4.9 GHz - 8MB Cache - 4 Cores - 8 Threads |
| Display |
14.1″ 1920×1080 IPS, Matte Finish |
| Graphics |
Intel® UHD Graphics |
| Memory |
Up to 40 GB DDR4 @ 2666 MHz |
| Storage |
2× M.2 SSD. Up to 4TB total. |
| Expansion |
USB 3.1 Type-C, 2× USB 3.0 Type-A, MicroSD Card Reader |
| Dimensions |
12.64″ × 8.5″ × 0.61″ (32.1 × 21.6 × 1.55 cm) |
There's no exact date mentioned on when it will go live, however we've been told they will be sending out details on that sometime soon.
I am once again getting some serious hardware envy, sounds like a good machine. Good screen, great battery life, plenty of ports and lots of storage space backed up by some reasonably strong other internals with the recent Intel CPU.
Check out the System76 Lemur Pro here.
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Why oh why do they keep shoving Intell stuff down the consumer's throats? :><:
At that price level, Intel CPU (whith that GPU) cannot be really competitive against any AMD APU-based laptop (including the windows tax).
At that price level, Intel CPU (whith that GPU) cannot be really competitive against any AMD APU-based laptop (including the windows tax).
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I want AMD not intel, and I want a good keyboard like on a think pad. Till then it's a no go for me.
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Luke_Nukem 23 Mar 2020
Why do so many laptop photos have the laptop screen flat back like that? I don't understand the purpose.
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Kimyrielle 23 Mar 2020
I want AMD not intel, and I want a good keyboard like on a think pad. Till then it's a no go for me.
If I am not totally mistaken, that's because AMD doesn't have a competitive on-board GPU solution. It also is not considered a force for dedicated mobile GPUs. Intel still kinda has a monopoly on that. Which is why nobody considers AMD for building a laptop, still.
I otherwise agree with the sentiment. I'd love to see a good AMD laptop platform one day.
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If I am not totally mistaken, that's because AMD doesn't have a competitive on-board GPU solution. It also is not considered a force for dedicated mobile GPUs. Intel still kinda has a monopoly on that. Which is why nobody considers AMD for building a laptop, still.
This is outdated information. AMD has the best onboard graphics available. Their onboard Vega 11 GPU is quite a bit faster than even a dedicated GT 1030 or Nvidia's MX250 dedicated laptop GPU.
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I've heard they are actually planning to make one with AMD. I wouldn't buy Intel laptop these days.
https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1241373956398919682
For System76 the problem with AMD is poor support for Coreboot. But it looks like there are some positive developments.
Last edited by Shmerl on 23 Mar 2020 at 11:09 pm UTC
https://twitter.com/jeremy_soller/status/1241373956398919682
For System76 the problem with AMD is poor support for Coreboot. But it looks like there are some positive developments.
Last edited by Shmerl on 23 Mar 2020 at 11:09 pm UTC
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holisticboy 24 Mar 2020
If I am not totally mistaken, that's because AMD doesn't have a competitive on-board GPU solution. It also is not considered a force for dedicated mobile GPUs. Intel still kinda has a monopoly on that. Which is why nobody considers AMD for building a laptop, still.
This is outdated information. AMD has the best onboard graphics available. Their onboard Vega 11 GPU is quite a bit faster than even a dedicated GT 1030 or Nvidia's MX250 dedicated laptop GPU.
Yup, and the AMDGPU support is built into the Kernel, so you don't need to configure any drivers out of the box! When I had my first gen Ryzen 2700u laptop part, it was working much better than the Windows equivalent due to this factor.
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Cyba.Cowboy 24 Mar 2020
Why oh why do they keep shoving Intell stuff down the consumer's throats? :><:
At that price level, Intel CPU (whith that GPU) cannot be really competitive against any AMD APU-based laptop (including the windows tax).
I want AMD not intel, and I want a good keyboard like on a think pad. Till then it's a no go for me.
I agree.
Whilst I prefer a laptop with NVIDIA components - primarily because I single-boot Linux and NVIDIA stuff is considerably better for everything graphics-related in the Linux world - I would take a pure AMD setup over a pure Intel setup any day of the week... Not a fan of all this love for Intel in recent times.
Why do so many laptop photos have the laptop screen flat back like that? I don't understand the purpose.
Glad I'm not the only one that has often wondered this...
Yup, and the AMDGPU support is built into the Kernel, so you don't need to configure any drivers out of the box! When I had my first gen Ryzen 2700u laptop part, it was working much better than the Windows equivalent due to this factor.
It wasn't always this way... Admittedly, it has been some years since I've used an AMD laptop - I used them almost exclusively until 2012-ish and then gave up - but all the AMD laptops I had used up to that point required a bit of work to get them to play nice, usually with sub-standard performance afterwards (in comparison to similar laptops with NVIDIA components).
This is a great step in the right direction - Intel and NVIDIA are gods when it comes to Linux, but they have too much power (which hurts competition, among other things), and neither is especially trustworthy or "open"...
Last edited by Cyba.Cowboy on 24 Mar 2020 at 3:31 am UTC
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I'm fine with Intel, but give me that discrete Intel GPU.Ok, here you go.
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That max 40GB memory to me means:
1x8GB soldered on board
1x32GB so-DIMM
what is this trend of soldering RAM onboard high-end laptops? Then we get asymmetrical memory config, meaning memory drops to essentially single-channel, which hampers performance, especially with the new wave of more powerful itegrated graphics.
So, 16GB or bust with this notebook then?
1x8GB soldered on board
1x32GB so-DIMM
what is this trend of soldering RAM onboard high-end laptops? Then we get asymmetrical memory config, meaning memory drops to essentially single-channel, which hampers performance, especially with the new wave of more powerful itegrated graphics.
So, 16GB or bust with this notebook then?
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I want AMD not intel, and I want a good keyboard like on a think pad. Till then it's a no go for me.
This. I need trackpoint on my keyboard. It is such an underestimated feature.
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I want AMD not intel, and I want a good keyboard like on a think pad. Till then it's a no go for me.
This. I need trackpoint on my keyboard. It is such an underestimated feature.
"I want AMD!"
"I want that Intel discrete GPU!"
"I want Nvidia!"
"Stop lying the screen flat!"
"Why is the memory funny?!"
"I want a trackpoint!"
Goddam, we're picky, eh?
I mean, I'm picky too. Trackpoint can go do one - hate those things. CTRL has to be the most bottom-left key on a keyboard, or I'm out. Screen must be HD minimum. Battery life must be 4 hours minimum. Performance must be "decent" (I don't expect to play 3D games on a laptop).
But otherwise? It's all about price vs looks.
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Why do you hate trackpoint? I mean I get why you would not want to use one, but the way Thinkpad integrates it, it is not really in the way is it?
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Arehandoro 24 Mar 2020
I've got my heart divided. I'm in need of a new laptop, after much thought I was almost convinced Lenovo T495 or T495s where my option to go -sorry Librem 13- but if Lemur Pro comes soon with AMD I much rather support a Linux first company.
Which, by the way, I install Pop_OS on my gaming machine yesterday to give it a go and it seems pretty cool too (Although I keep missing Debian and will go back to it eventually)
Which, by the way, I install Pop_OS on my gaming machine yesterday to give it a go and it seems pretty cool too (Although I keep missing Debian and will go back to it eventually)
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Why do you hate trackpoint? I mean I get why you would not want to use one, but the way Thinkpad integrates it, it is not really in the way is it?
Hate is indeed probably too strong a word. I don't like how it looks, and I absolutely do hate using one, but I can tolerate its existence if I must. But give me the option to remove it? I'll take that option! :D
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da_habakuk 24 Mar 2020
give me amd cpu and i will buy it :)
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Cyba.Cowboy 25 Mar 2020
Which, by the way, I install Pop_OS on my gaming machine yesterday to give it a go and it seems pretty cool too
Yeah, it's pretty good right?
I tried Pop!_OS as soon as it came out of beta - before most people had even heard of it - because I was considering my options, since Canonical had abandoned Unity... At the time, Pop!_OS was mostly a cosmetic change, with a few little tweaks here and there - but those little tweaks were significant enough to make me think the distro has potential, particularly as an eventual replacement for Ubuntu (kinda like what happened with Red Hat Linux / Fedora back in the day).
From what I understand, System76 have since taken quite a few steps to make it more than "just a cosmetic change", so I highly recommend people have a look (and if you're using a System76 computer, I really don't understand why you would be using anything else!).
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Enough with the cheapskate FHD 16:9 displays! Please, provide a proper 16:10 or 4:3 screen! This is (presumably) a laptop, made for working on, not a television.
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I'll add my preferences to this list of conflicting ridiculous demands :D :
* USB-C as main charging port or bust.
* 2-in-1 form factor with touch screen is pretty sweet for a portable laptop like this one.
* AMD if possible. Would be willing to pay up to 20% battery life diff for that if I have to.
* USB-C as main charging port or bust.
* 2-in-1 form factor with touch screen is pretty sweet for a portable laptop like this one.
* AMD if possible. Would be willing to pay up to 20% battery life diff for that if I have to.
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