The System76 'Lemur Pro' laptop is available now with Coreboot and open source firmware

Anyone knows if this company sells computers to Europe (with the power supply and an non us keyboard layout)?
I do not need a laptop now, but I would consider it for the next one.

I wonder with the large changes to package management that Ubuntu 20.04 is doing, if they'll try to do what Mint does and come up with a Pop_Debian Edition?

I already like Pop_OS! more than Ubuntu, based on them not installing flatpak or snapd by default.

ryzen please :(

Anyone knows if this company sells computers to Europe (with the power supply and an non us keyboard layout)?
I do not need a laptop now, but I would consider it for the next one.

I've heard that Entroware has atleast UK keyboard layouts. Tuxedo computers have bigger variety European layouts, but sadly for me no Swedish layouts :/ Slimbook.es has Spanish, UK and German layouts. I would also like to hear if someone has found a company that sells Linux laptops with Swedish/Finnish keyboard.

8, 16, 24 and 40 GB RAM configuration... Why can't they change the embedded module to 16 to have symmetric RAM on 32GB? That's pretty weird.

I was considering giving it a try even with Intel but not with those configs.

Considering price and intel 10th gen cpu, I would really expect atleast one thunderbolt port..

Anyone knows if this company sells computers to Europe (with the power supply and an non us keyboard layout)?
I do not need a laptop now, but I would consider it for the next one.

You can buy a nearly identical (but differently branded) variant at tuxedocomputers.com. I guess it comes without the open firmware though. Maybe you can force-install it.

You can buy a nearly identical (but differently branded) variant at tuxedocomputers.com. I guess it comes without the open firmware though. Maybe you can force-install it.

Tuxedocomputers uses their tuxedo bios, which is based on coreboot. They also employ coreboot developers and contribute upstream to the project.

https://bestware.com/de/schenker-slim-14.html

Pants down: Tuxedo does not manufacture those things themselves. It's a Clevo L141CU case that are equipped by many companies. You'll find a clone of this device with names like "Via 14" from Schenker (de) or "Lemur Pro 14" at System76 (w/ CoreBoot!). (From
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/fvgu0h/review_of_tuxedo_inifitybook_s14_v5_or_clevo/ )

Schenker, at least, is offering a Swedish/Finnish keyboard layout.

What, no AMD love?

I know for awhile their mobile CPUs/APUs and GPUs have lagged behind in notebook popularity, but the past year or so they've had some serious offerings; yet why aren't these Linux-powerhouse brands like System76, ZaReason or Purism offering *any* AMD setups?

I think it's a legitimate question and would very much love to hear from any one of them about why this is.

I mean, the Ryzen 4000 series is a thing now and will be in end-user hands here probably in the next 6-8 months. I figured someone (in the dedicated Linux laptop realm) would be dying to get something developed to use these beasts and at least announce something.

Maybe I've just been out of touch with everything for too long.

Well, I think business model based on selling Linux and Open Source devices is bit risky in and of itself, and up until now AMD wasn't the best choice in terms of performance, so I can't say I blame them..

But I'm sure that will drastically change as of this year, their 4000 series are killer, and they're even based on their older Zen 2 architecture :D
I'm certain the future is pretty bright for AMD! :)

I would love to get a System76 laptop at some point, but they're just so ridiculously over-priced... Only last night I was having a look at their website, because I'm planning to replace my laptop / the wife's laptop in the next couple of weeks, and irrespective of which (System76) laptop I was looking at, it was considerably more than a similar laptop from just about any other manufacturer - before the import tax (10% GST) is even charged at the Australian border!

There's nothing wrong with paying a premium for a quality product, especially when it comes to a company that supports "Open Source" software and "Open Hardware" like System76... But there is also a line between "premium" and "over-priced"; like Apple, System76 don't just cross it, they sprint over it.

And no, you can't use the "the Australian Dollar is rubbish at the moment" excuse - back at the peak of the 2007 / 2008 Global Financial Crisis, when the Australian Dollar was worth 1:1 with the American Dollar - I also had a look at System76's laptops and whilst the price was more reasonable, it was still a pretty big markup... Just not as extreme as it is when the Australian Dollar is rubbish, like now.

When I win the lotto and buy my Acer Predator Thronos (seriously, look this up !), I'll deck it out with all the very best System76 hardware...

Anyone knows if this company sells computers to Europe (with the power supply and an non us keyboard layout)?
I do not need a laptop now, but I would consider it for the next one.

As I understand it, System76 only do US keyboards - but they do send "local" power adaptors / IEC cables for whichever country the computers are being sent to... In other words, if you were in Australia like me, you'd be sent an Australian power adaptor or IEC cable, instead of an American one.


Last edited by Cyba.Cowboy on 10 April 2020 at 11:17 pm UTC

This brought me here! Been gettin' into Linux lately and being surprised of the gaming aspect of it now!

This brought me here! Been gettin' into Linux lately and being surprised of the gaming aspect of it now!

There are numerous Linux-based "distros" - operating systems - that are just as easy to use as Apple macOS / Microsoft Windows, if not moreso... And the list of games for Linux-based operating systems is pretty big these days, with countless "AAA" titles. I just had a look and there are at least 6,342 titles for Steam, and up to 1,248 titles for GOG.com - though I run through a VPN, so the number of titles may vary slightly for you (because of region restrictions).

In the near future, those numbers will get even bigger - Valve Software's "Proton" should mean that eventually, most games for Microsoft Windows-based operating systems will work under Linux-based operating systems "out of the box" (i.e. you will be able to buy a game for a Microsoft Windows-based operating system and it will "just work" under a Linux-based operating system)!

I'm still not convinced the so-called "Year of the Linux Desktop" exists in the foreseeable future - Microsoft have an awfully big hold on the market, especially in countries that are particularly "anti-Linux", like Australia - but with everything that has happened over the last few years and everything that's going to happen in the next couple of years, there's more and more incentive to make the switch to a Linux-based operating system full time...

For me, I sat down at my computer and asked myself "What can Microsoft Windows do that Ubuntu can't to the same or a better standard?" The answer was "Not much" and nearly ten years later, I don't regret switching to a single-boot setup.


Last edited by Cyba.Cowboy on 11 April 2020 at 1:21 pm UTC

This brought me here! Been gettin' into Linux lately and being surprised of the gaming aspect of it now!

There are numerous Linux-based "distros" - operating systems - that are just as easy to use as Apple macOS / Microsoft Windows, if not moreso... And the list of games for Linux-based operating systems is pretty big these days, with countless "AAA" titles. I just had a look and there are at least 6,342 titles for Steam, and up to 1,248 titles for GOG.com - though I run through a VPN, so the number of titles may vary slightly for you (because of region restrictions).

In the near future, those numbers will get even bigger - Valve Software's "Proton" should mean that eventually, most games for Microsoft Windows-based operating systems will work under Linux-based operating systems "out of the box" (i.e. you will be able to buy a game for a Microsoft Windows-based operating system and it will "just work" under a Linux-based operating system)!

I'm still not convinced the so-called "Year of the Linux Desktop" exists in the foreseeable future - Microsoft have an awfully big hold on the market, especially in countries that are particularly "anti-Linux", like Australia - but with everything that has happened over the last few years and everything that's going to happen in the next couple of years, there's more and more incentive to make the switch to a Linux-based operating system full time...

For me, I sat down at my computer and asked myself "What can Microsoft Windows do that Ubuntu can't to the same or a better standard?" The answer was "Not much" and nearly ten years later, I don't regret switching to a single-boot setup.

Alright thanks alot!

For those looking for a list of "Linux" laptops manufacturers , we try to maintain the list here

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed

Contributions welcome !

For those looking for a list of "Linux" laptops manufacturers , we try to maintain the list here

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed

Contributions welcome !

Why the heck does GamingOnLinux not have a list like this?

Anyway, I couldn't work out how to edit that page, so here's a few contributions (I do not vouch for any of these)(these are only the stores that sell machines with Ubuntu pre-installed or Ubuntu as an option - if GamingOnLinux setup their own list, I have a couple of other entries that do not offer Ubuntu pre-installed or Ubuntu as an option)...


* EmperorLinux
- Laptops (including "rugged" laptops) & tablets;
- Ships to most countries (no exclusions listed, but it would be safe to assume select countries - such as Antarctica or North Korea - probably would not be possible).

* Juno Computers
- Laptops;
- Ships to most countries from the "UK & Europe" website (see https://junocomputers.com/shipping-returns/ );
- Ships to Mainland USA, select Canadian provinces, Mexico, Australia and New Zealand from the "American" website (see https://junocomputers.com/us/shipping-returns/ );
- Offers military discounts to Service personnel of the British Armed Forces via the "UK & Europe" website.

* LinuxCity
- Laptops, "mini PCs" & desktops;
- Ships to American addresses only.

* Linux Now
- Laptops, desktops, servers & cloud solutions;
- Ships to Australia only.

* PINE64
- Smartphones (the "PINEPHONE" has an option to have UBPorts pre-installed);
- I believe they ship internationally, but I could not find confirmation of this on their website;
- Offer various other devices (single-board computers, laptops, tablets & smartwatches), however my understanding is that these do not have an option to have Ubuntu pre-installed or available as an option.

* SLIMBOOK
- Laptops, "mini PCs" & desktops;
- Ships to most countries (no exclusions listed, but it would be safe to assume select countries - such as Antarctica or North Korea - probably would not be possible).

* Star Labs
- Laptops;
- Ships to most countries (no exclusions listed, but it would be safe to assume select countries - such as Antarctica or North Korea - probably would not be possible).

* ThinkPenguin
- Laptops & desktops;
- Ships to most countries (no exclusions listed, but it would be safe to assume select countries - such as Antarctica or North Korea - probably would not be possible).

* Ubuntushop.eu
- Laptops & "mini PCs";
- Ships to most countries (no exclusions listed, but it would be safe to assume select countries - such as Antarctica or North Korea - probably would not be possible).


Also, the following edits need to be made to the wiki...

* Dell
- For Australia, Dell does sell their "Ubuntu" laptops (people often think Dell Australia do not sell them) - but only via telephone orders on request (they do not list these products on their "Australian" website);

* Tuxedo Computers
- Ships to most countries (no exclusions listed, but it would be safe to assume select countries - such as Antarctica or North Korea - probably would not be possible).


Last edited by Cyba.Cowboy on 14 April 2020 at 1:18 am UTC

8, 16, 24 and 40 GB RAM configuration... Why can't they change the embedded module to 16 to have symmetric RAM on 32GB? That's pretty weird.

I was considering giving it a try even with Intel but not with those configs.

If I were to guesss. It comes with 8gb of RAM soldered to the board.
That way you get 8 (empty slot), 16 (8+8), 24 (8+16), 40 (8+32).
I have an Asus that is that way, though I tried swapping the 8 out with a 16, and while the BIOS saw it, neither Windows nor Linux saw the extra memory.

8, 16, 24 and 40 GB RAM configuration... Why can't they change the embedded module to 16 to have symmetric RAM on 32GB? That's pretty weird.

I was considering giving it a try even with Intel but not with those configs.

If I were to guesss. It comes with 8gb of RAM soldered to the board.
That way you get 8 (empty slot), 16 (8+8), 24 (8+16), 40 (8+32).
I have an Asus that is that way, though I tried swapping the 8 out with a 16, and while the BIOS saw it, neither Windows nor Linux saw the extra memory.

We know it's soldered to the board - he was asking why can't they solder 16GB to the board instead of 8GB... It's not like RAM is worth all that much these days; even high-end RAM is cheap-ish.


Last edited by Cyba.Cowboy on 14 April 2020 at 6:55 am UTC

8, 16, 24 and 40 GB RAM configuration... Why can't they change the embedded module to 16 to have symmetric RAM on 32GB? That's pretty weird.

I was considering giving it a try even with Intel but not with those configs.

If I were to guesss. It comes with 8gb of RAM soldered to the board.
That way you get 8 (empty slot), 16 (8+8), 24 (8+16), 40 (8+32).
I have an Asus that is that way, though I tried swapping the 8 out with a 16, and while the BIOS saw it, neither Windows nor Linux saw the extra memory.

We know it's soldered to the board - he was asking why can't they solder 16GB to the board instead of 8GB... It's not like RAM is worth all that much these days; even high-end RAM is cheap-ish.

Email them and ask? I asked if one of their systems could support up to 128gb of RAM when I was shopping around for a laptop, and they said it should be able to, but they hadn't tried any 32gb DIMMs yet.