Work is underway to better support ASUS ROG laptops on Linux

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: TheSHEEEPOr, if that fails, block people for disagreeing with them. Yet another thing I'd never do.

Have you considered that maybe they block you because they find you annoying, not because they disagree with you? How is blocking a source of irritation a negative thing, if that's all you are to them?

But why am I annoying to them? It's not like I go around just randomly insulting people in the worst manners.
I annoy them because I disagree with them, won't back down from my views (or pretend to) prefer honest and direct words instead of buttering up or keeping my mouth shut if I disagree with anyone and call them out on their shenanigans.

Finally, because all of the above mentioned was directed at them instead of with them.
I'd bet my other kidney that if I showed 100% the same kind of tone and behavior and everything else - but actually agreed with them on whatever the topic, they would not have taken even closely that much of an issue with it.
Just look at all the jabs thrown at "gamers" in the posts - none of which were any better or worse than mine.
And none of which caused any ruckus. Huh. I wonder why. As if it was easier to fling sh't at someone who ain't flinging back.

Quoting: tuubiYour smarter-than-thou attitude and talk of bubbles might hold some merit if these people weren't simply blocking some random dude with an abrasive manner on a forum. It just does not matter. They have better things to do. It's like walking away from an obnoxious loudmouth in a pub. He/she doesn't necessarily deserve an audience.

Eh, the majority of things I comment on an article is on-topic and not related to any poster. As it was in this thread, before the usual subjects got oh-so-attacked by my small remark calling out their "online people mean!" whining. And then things went from there, because, as I said, I do not back down from discussions. Even if they are completely off-topic.
Which does make me feel bad and hence I'll stop after this post. I don't like derailing threads due to the mess it causes.

Seriously, though, if you cannot even take the odd minor punch, what are you doing talking to people on the internet?
Offense is always taken, never given.

Quoting: tuubiNow, if they were getting all their news exclusively from sources they happen to agree with, that would be an actual problem.

That's pretty much a given with people like that. People who block others on one platform for whatever minor reasons like "this guy wronged me!", will do it on all platforms and media until all they find "annoying" are gone and only opinions and voices they like remain.
Of course, it is always excused with "not worth my time" - the easy way out if you run out of arguments or never had any to begin with.

Besides, if you think only news bubbles are a problem and not opinion bubbles, then you are very much mistaken. One is just the next "level" of the other.

Quoting: EikeThe tone of "everybody who thinks or feel differently is stupid". The tone that tells people that someone will not even consider to reconsider.

You take issue with your own tone?
Did you block yourself, too?...


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Quoting: TheSHEEEPI annoy them because I disagree with them, won't back down from my views (or pretend to) prefer honest and direct words instead of buttering up or keeping my mouth shut if I disagree with anyone and call them out on their shenanigans.

I disagree. I mean, your needlessly argumentative tone is probably part of it, but they're not annoyed because you're "honest". They probably do disagree with you about them being weak minded whiners though. I don't know about you but people don't usually enjoy being talked down to.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPI'd bet my other kidney that if I showed 100% the same kind of tone and behavior and everything else - but actually agreed with them on whatever the topic, they would not have taken even closely that much of an issue with it.

Well yeah, if you didn't insult them they probably wouldn't have found you nearly as annoying. Funny thing, that. They probably would have pointed out personal attacks towards someone though, judging by their past behaviour.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPJust look at all the jabs thrown at "gamers" in the posts - none of which were any better or worse than mine.

Any quotes? Worst I saw was some generic criticism of certain very visible aspects of what people call "gamer culture", and someone saying they don't want to be associated with that group. No personal insults or anything. Whereas your insults were quite personal.

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: tuubiYour smarter-than-thou attitude and talk of bubbles might hold some merit if these people weren't simply blocking some random dude with an abrasive manner on a forum. It just does not matter. They have better things to do. It's like walking away from an obnoxious loudmouth in a pub. He/she doesn't necessarily deserve an audience.

Eh, the majority of things I comment on an article is on-topic and not related to any poster. As it was in this thread, before the usual subjects got oh-so-attacked by my small remark calling out their "online people mean!" whining.

They complain about something, you don't agree, so you complain about them with an insult-cherry on top. Who won?

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: tuubiNow, if they were getting all their news exclusively from sources they happen to agree with, that would be an actual problem.

That's pretty much a given with people like that.

People like what? People who get annoyed if you insult them? Or just people you disagree with?

Quoting: TheSHEEEPOf course, it is always excused with "not worth my time" - the easy way out if you run out of arguments or never had any to begin with.

Internet arguments are mostly a waste of time. Hard to argue against that. A proper, productive discussion is one thing, but those are very rare and easy to spot early on. And they rarely involve insults.

Then there's entertaining banter, but that usually only happens between people who don't actually dislike each other. Anything that's neither entertaining nor productive is probably not worth your time.




I doubt anybody bothered reading all that, but in case someone got this far: I don't mind calling myself a gamer, for the same reason Eike does it. But it's almost exclusively as part of "Linux gamer". I also call myself a coder and a slacker. My wife occasionally calls me other things that end in "r", but I'd rather not repeat those here.

Quoting: Julius

Quoting: eldakingRepublic of Gamers? What a stupid name. I'd be ashamed to use something with that name.

To be fair, ASUS is a Taiwanese company, and I think with that background the name is a bit more understandable.

Anyways, while not officially supported, I always had quite good results with Asus laptops on Linux. And build quiality relative to price at least used to be quite good (have not bought one in some years).

But I also think it is also worth considering buying a Taiwanese brand over a Chinese government front like Lenovo.

I always prefer to buy and doing business with Taiwan than with China!

Last decades Taiwan cannot compete with China on prices, so they take care on quality and the customer.

Quoting: xavi

Quoting: Julius

Quoting: eldakingRepublic of Gamers? What a stupid name. I'd be ashamed to use something with that name.

To be fair, ASUS is a Taiwanese company, and I think with that background the name is a bit more understandable.

Anyways, while not officially supported, I always had quite good results with Asus laptops on Linux. And build quiality relative to price at least used to be quite good (have not bought one in some years).

But I also think it is also worth considering buying a Taiwanese brand over a Chinese government front like Lenovo.

I always prefer to buy and doing business with Taiwan than with China!

Last decades Taiwan cannot compete with China on prices, so they take care on quality and the customer.

But I reply myself: about laptops, I always buy Thinkpads because of better Linux support.

Hope Asus improves that :)

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: yahyaFan control by pressing Fn+F5 is the best thing I can get, which works on Linux

Fans being controlled automatically is the best thing I can get.

I think you don't get how this fan control behaves.
The fans are still controlled automatically based on current workload. But they do have speed limits on each mode.
Before using this driver, it seems my laptop fans stay at normal mode, so they won't reach their maximum speed :(
Yes, sometimes I need my laptop fans to work at their maximum speed on heavy workload. But they are noisy. I don't want them to react sensitively when I don't need them to be.

In short, fan control is a compromise between automatic and manual fan speed settings.


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Quoting: xaviI always prefer to buy and doing business with Taiwan than with China!

This.

Say what you want about ol' Trump, but I don't trust China as far as I can spit, and I'll avoid products that have or likely have ties to the Chinese Government, where ever possible... No - before any "Social Justice Warriors" put their 5¢ in - that's not me being "anti-Chinese" or "racist", that's an opinion based on the apalling track record the Chinese Government has with regards to privacy and human rights, which are known (albeit often-ignored) facts.


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Quoting: xaviBut I reply myself: about laptops, I always buy Thinkpads because of better Linux support.

Hope Asus improves that :)

My current ASUS laptop has always had great support for Linux-based operating systems, and the ASUS ZenBook Duo I hope to buy in the near-ish future apparently has great Linux support, too... As does the "Pro" version of the ASUS ZenBook Duo - if you have an awfully big bank account! :D

ASUS used to provide official UEFI updates / upgrades for Linux-based operating systems too, but I can't seem to find this on their site any more (at least for the model of laptop I have now), so perhaps this is no longer the case? :S:


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Quoting: yahya

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: yahyaFan control by pressing Fn+F5 is the best thing I can get, which works on Linux

Fans being controlled automatically is the best thing I can get.

I think you don't get how this fan control behaves.
The fans are still controlled automatically based on current workload. But they do have speed limits on each mode.
Before using this driver, it seems my laptop fans stay at normal mode, so they won't reach their maximum speed :(
Yes, sometimes I need my laptop fans to work at their maximum speed on heavy workload. But they are noisy. I don't want them to react sensitively when I don't need them to be.

In short, fan control is a compromise between automatic and manual fan speed settings.

I think I still don't get it.

Is it that you're not allowed to set a suitable curve,
or do you actually want the fans to react differently on the same load/heat at different times?

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: EikeWhen comments get just too sheepish, it's time to block. Time is too valuable for such nonsense.

Like clockwork. As fragile as an old fortune cookie.
Those of weak mind will always opt to create a bubble to pretend everyone agrees with them instead of facing the opposition...

In order to constitute "opposition", wouldn't you have to "oppose", in the sense of taking up and arguing some contrary position? All you've done is make vaguely insulting statements; this hardly constitutes "opposition" in any meaningful sense. Not only is it unclear what your "opposition" would consist of, but it's unclear what exactly you "oppose" in the first place.

Since your ire was apparently aroused by someone saying bad things about uncivil behaviour, my best guess is you're taking a principled stance in favour of people being able to act like assholes without anyone ever mentioning that they've acted like assholes. Not sure quite what the principle is, there.

Quoting: Cyba.Cowboy

Quoting: xaviI always prefer to buy and doing business with Taiwan than with China!

This.

Say what you want about ol' Trump, but I don't trust China as far as I can spit, and I'll avoid products that have or likely have ties to the Chinese Government, where ever possible... No - before any "Social Justice Warriors" put their 5¢ in - that's not me being "anti-Chinese" or "racist", that's an opinion based on the apalling track record the Chinese Government has with regards to privacy and human rights, which are known (albeit often-ignored) facts.

This is true enough. Mind you, there are similarly solid reasons for the world community to avoid products made in the USA (and I'm not even talking about Trump).
So yeah, products from Europe, Taiwan, Japan before products from either China or the US.


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 21 April 2020 at 7:38 am UTC

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Cyba.Cowboy

Quoting: xaviI always prefer to buy and doing business with Taiwan than with China!

This.

Say what you want about ol' Trump, but I don't trust China as far as I can spit, and I'll avoid products that have or likely have ties to the Chinese Government, where ever possible... No - before any "Social Justice Warriors" put their 5¢ in - that's not me being "anti-Chinese" or "racist", that's an opinion based on the apalling track record the Chinese Government has with regards to privacy and human rights, which are known (albeit often-ignored) facts.

This is true enough. Mind you, there are similarly solid reasons for the world community to avoid products made in the USA (and I'm not even talking about Trump).
So yeah, products from Europe, Taiwan, Japan before products from either China or the US.

Yup, this. Every time someone says they avoid Chinese products, I wonder why don't they apply same principles to USA.