Sid Meier's Civilization VI is getting 6 new DLC and 6 free updates with the 'New Frontier Pass'

Did they finally fixed AI or it still as bad as it was in beginning and question "what else can we do" was more about "how else we can milk money from those players, without fixing the game"?

Did they finally fixed AI or it still as bad as it was in beginning and question "what else can we do" was more about "how else we can milk money from those players, without fixing the game"?

The AI will always be bad because of how complex the game is. When the game first came out, the AI was a joke, it would almost never build or use planes. Once you had planes, you would automatically win. Now the AI can use planes and it is better.

IMO with the expansions, there is too much going on to be enjoyable. When I play, I turn off a bunch of things, depending on what I feel like doing. I always turn off spies and global warming.

Anyone know of a Civ 5/6 type game that is much simpler and has a decent AI?

Did they finally fixed AI or it still as bad as it was in beginning and question "what else can we do" was more about "how else we can milk money from those players, without fixing the game"?

The AI will always be bad because of how complex the game is.

I don't think I can agree with that. There is no reason why the diplomacy AI needs to behave like a drunkard, yet it has been doing that since Civ 1. Being best buddies in round N, then declaring war out of thin air in round N+1? Give me a break, that's not a game being too complex, that's just a badly written AI.

If you want an example of games WAY more complex than Civ 6, and still have an AI that doesn't do overly stupid things every other minute, just go look at any of Paradox's grand strategy titles.

About the packs. I dunno. I feel that Civ 6 already has plenty of Civilizations to pick from. The additional ones won't add a lot to the game. This is indeed more about milking every last possible drop before announcing Civ 7.


Last edited by Kimyrielle on 11 May 2020 at 5:07 pm UTC

Aspyr Media, who did the original Linux port of Sid Meier's Civilization VI have been contacted about it. They've been pretty silent recently (Borderlands 2/TPS are missing updates)...

I've been largely disappointed with Aspyr. They did some good work early on bringing games to Linux and then all but abandoned the platform.

Did they finally fixed AI or it still as bad as it was in beginning and question "what else can we do" was more about "how else we can milk money from those players, without fixing the game"?

The AI will always be bad because of how complex the game is.

I don't think I can agree with that. There is no reason why the diplomacy AI needs to behave like a drunkard, yet it has been doing that since Civ 1. Being best buddies in round N, then declaring war out of thin air in round N+1? Give me a break, that's not a game being too complex, that's just a badly written AI.

If you want an example of games WAY more complex than Civ 6, and still have an AI that doesn't do overly stupid things every other minute, just go look at any of Paradox's grand strategy titles.

About the packs. I dunno. I feel that Civ 6 already has plenty of Civilizations to pick from. The additional ones won't add a lot to the game. This is indeed more about milking every last possible drop before announcing Civ 7.

I think different Civilizations added a lot more to the game than in any other Civilization game so far. Terrain and maps also have more influence on games, and specialized Civs, together with new terrain and new district types can potentially change the game very much. Thinking about new game modes to switch on or off in game setup (it's not scenarios!).. make me feel these dlc's are far from low content milking upgrades.
Then.. oh yeah.. the bad, bad AI. I think it has become a lot better and more calculable diplomatically over time. Still, I agree, I would love to have less AI starting bonuses, and a higher challenge in mid- and endgame on higher difficulties instead.

Aspyr Media, who did the original Linux port of Sid Meier's Civilization VI have been contacted about it. They've been pretty silent recently (Borderlands 2/TPS are missing updates)...

I've been largely disappointed with Aspyr. They did some good work early on bringing games to Linux and then all but abandoned the platform.

If they're getting these DLC up at the same time, as we've been told and quoted in the article, they've clearly not abandoned it.

Still they don't seem to care much about Linux since BL2/TPS are missing updates.

No one knows what's going on there, it could be a publisher decision and they cannot talk about it. Talking in absolutes when no one knows only spreads rumours and doesn't help anything.

Aspyr Media, who did the original Linux port of Sid Meier's Civilization VI have been contacted about it. They've been pretty silent recently (Borderlands 2/TPS are missing updates)...

I've been largely disappointed with Aspyr. They did some good work early on bringing games to Linux and then all but abandoned the platform.

If they're getting these DLC up at the same time, as we've been told and quoted in the article, they've clearly not abandoned it.

To be fair, this is very likely because of their agreement with Firaxis covering the DLCs, so they probably HAVE to. Aspyr did NOT port any newer game to Linux since then. They did indeed abandon Linux.

Aspyr Media, who did the original Linux port of Sid Meier's Civilization VI have been contacted about it. They've been pretty silent recently (Borderlands 2/TPS are missing updates)...

I've been largely disappointed with Aspyr. They did some good work early on bringing games to Linux and then all but abandoned the platform.

If they're getting these DLC up at the same time, as we've been told and quoted in the article, they've clearly not abandoned it.

To be fair, this is very likely because of their agreement with Firaxis covering the DLCs, so they probably HAVE to. Aspyr did NOT port any newer game to Linux since then. They did indeed abandon Linux.

Again, speculation, no one knows and it doesn't help anyone to act like we know and say they have abandoned anything. Don't spread the negativity that's just not needed.

Slightly off topic . . . I've played Civ 6 a bit, enough to make a couple of false starts while I got things figured out and then win a game. And I pushed religion moderately hard, because it was a thing I could do. Maybe if I'd pushed religion a bit harder I could have actually won a religious victory, but I felt like if I could be dominant enough to win on religion I could probably have won with something else first (which I did).

But what I was wondering was, has anyone done some evaluating to see if it's worth it? The religious stuff gives you some perks, if you play your cards right the religious district ends up providing a moderate amount of stuff, whatever kind you're going for, and if you do it certain ways you'll get stuff for everyone that worships the religion yadda yadda. But it soaks up a ton of resources building all the holy this and holy that--not just the districts, but the wonders and stuff. Plus, it takes up space you could put other districts in, and picking religious oriented techs and civics might delay getting secular things you also want. And hey, if you skip it your people might end up worshipping someone else's religion but that won't matter after you conquer their ass. At the end I found myself wondering if all those resources poured into religion were on balance rewarding or a money pit. Anyone have any idea?


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 12 May 2020 at 12:17 am UTC

Aspyr Media, who did the original Linux port of Sid Meier's Civilization VI have been contacted about it. They've been pretty silent recently (Borderlands 2/TPS are missing updates)...

I've been largely disappointed with Aspyr. They did some good work early on bringing games to Linux and then all but abandoned the platform.

If they're getting these DLC up at the same time, as we've been told and quoted in the article, they've clearly not abandoned it.

Which is why I said "all but abandoned the platform". They are still supporting Linux but not with the enthusiasm they had early on.

Slightly off topic . . . I've played Civ 6 a bit, enough to make a couple of false starts while I got things figured out and then win a game. And I pushed religion moderately hard, because it was a thing I could do. Maybe if I'd pushed religion a bit harder I could have actually won a religious victory, but I felt like if I could be dominant enough to win on religion I could probably have won with something else first (which I did).

But what I was wondering was, has anyone done some evaluating to see if it's worth it? The religious stuff gives you some perks, if you play your cards right the religious district ends up providing a moderate amount of stuff, whatever kind you're going for, and if you do it certain ways you'll get stuff for everyone that worships the religion yadda yadda. But it soaks up a ton of resources building all the holy this and holy that--not just the districts, but the wonders and stuff. Plus, it takes up space you could put other districts in, and picking religious oriented techs and civics might delay getting secular things you also want. And hey, if you skip it your people might end up worshipping someone else's religion but that won't matter after you conquer their ass. At the end I found myself wondering if all those resources poured into religion were on balance rewarding or a money pit. Anyone have any idea?

This is highly dependable on the civ you play, its bonuses, special buildings, districts, units, starting techs. You might not want to try science victory with the Aztecs, because they are aggressive militarists, you'd probably choose Korea, Sweden, Sumer.. for it. On the other hand you could try with the Aztecs, because it gives you another kind of difficulty than higher difficulty levels, which mainly give you adversary civs with higher starting bonuses...
The difficulty to win a game on the victory type you choose is also dependend from what your AI adversaries are, from their and your surrounding territory etc... I'd say you have to consider all this and find an efficient solution that's compatible with your playstyle and go for it.
But I'd say you're asking the right questions!


Last edited by Nevertheless on 12 May 2020 at 2:30 am UTC

Again, speculation, no one knows and it doesn't help anyone to act like we know and say they have abandoned anything. Don't spread the negativity that's just not needed.

Fine. Let the facts speak, then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspyr

Fact is that Civ 6 WAS their last Linux port. Yeah, I get it, just negativity.

If Aspyr doesn't want to support Linux ports for whatever reason then then that's their business and fine by me. I buy games that work on Fedora, either natively (preferable) or through wine/proton (acceptable). If Aspyr doesn't make Linux ports that's okay with me as a consumer. I may end up buying fewer of their games, but it's not personal. I just choose to support studios and publishers that make games I can play.


Last edited by randyl on 12 May 2020 at 2:40 am UTC

You might not want to try science victory with the Aztecs, because they are aggressive militarists

Funny, that's exactly what happened--Aztec science victory. In my experience from other Civ games, who has what bonuses largely ceases to matter once you've conquered half the planet. I actually ended up going for science because I suddenly realized another civ was getting there on science and conquering them might have been too slow a process to stop them, so while I started crushing them I built the ship as insurance.

You might not want to try science victory with the Aztecs, because they are aggressive militarists

Funny, that's exactly what happened--Aztec science victory. In my experience from other Civ games, who has what bonuses largely ceases to matter once you've conquered half the planet. I actually ended up going for science because I suddenly realized another civ was getting there on science and conquering them might have been too slow a process to stop them, so while I started crushing them I built the ship as insurance.

Haha.. of course you can always force your opponents away from victory conditions.. :)

Again, speculation, no one knows and it doesn't help anyone to act like we know and say they have abandoned anything. Don't spread the negativity that's just not needed.

Fine. Let the facts speak, then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspyr

Fact is that Civ 6 WAS their last Linux port. Yeah, I get it, just negativity.

I'm not talking about additional ports. I was talking about updates, they can't have abandoned something if they're going to be updating this with each DLC and update coming. That was my overall point.

I'm not talking about additional ports. I was talking about updates, they can't have abandoned something if they're going to be updating this with each DLC and update coming. That was my overall point.

Don't quite agree with that. They can still have made a decision not to do anything with Linux other than fulfilling their remaining obligations. That still counts as abandoning.

We're coming up to a year since the last BL2 DLC was released (also for Mac) and even longer since co-op compatibility was broken. Any BL2 player on Linux has a right to feel abandoned. And to be frank, I don't trust Aspyr anymore. They haven't even said a word about it since then and just left it the way it is. How am I supposed to trust that they won't do anything like that again. So with the information that Aspyr has given me, I conclude that they abandoned Linux. And a few extra DLC for Civ is not enough to change my opinion.

Okay, fair enough. I won't argue that point. I just think it's good Civ VI will be continuing to see updates and I am glad about that but I agree the situation elsewhere is not good and I hope they eventually say something in regards to the Borderlands 2/TPS situation.

Fuck me. 40 dollars, more than many brand new games cost, and all people get is a handful of leaders and civilisations. Big developers never fail to be dicks these days.

Civilisation 4 is the superior game anyway.