Stadia Pro subscribers get 5 new games on June 1

Quoting: drlambHere's my thoughts on why I use Stadia. Stadia is Linux and DOES help Linux gaming. It's up to developers/publishers to bring their games to desktop Linux.

It also hurts Linux gaming too and could become a big threat to Linux adoption via ChromeOS in future. In your post you said native port is better than a proton release, and a supported Proton is better than a Stadia release. Gylt, a indie game, is exclusive to Stadia but will likely come to Steam. If it was already on Steam, you could most likely be able to play it exceptionally well with Proton. If it wasn't exclusive to Stadia, it could also potentially be released natively by developers themselves or by Ethan Lee porting the game.

Moreover PC gaming encompasses all major OSes. On Windows Stadia has made developers remove their games from Geforce Now. Why is this important? Well if Geforce Now was available on Linux, and it's possible it will be (with Valve's encouraging Nvidia), all those games being removed from the streaming service would have affected Linux users too. Geforce Now was launched 2015, Stadia 2019. In 2020 was when most publishers and developers started removing their games from Geforce Now.

Stadia games being released natively for Linux would work against Stadia. Google wants people to stream their games with Stadia, not play them locally. You could be lenient on Google and say Valve isn't encouraging developers to release their games on Linux, so Google should be in the clear, except Valve has released their games natively for Linux and are making big contributions to the platform.

EDIT: You are partially right though in saying it does help Linux through Vulkan adoption. But I could and have argued the opposite of that statement too.


Last edited by Linuxwarper on 29 May 2020 at 10:28 pm UTC

I'm totally noob about Stadia subject, could someone tell me if Google provide a Linux native client?
Thanks.

Quoting: drlamb

Quoting: TheRiddickAlso the whole concept of how it works is pretty bad, you pay full price for the game you can't take home, then you must pay to USE the service on top...

Your concept of how it works is misinformed. You do NOT have to pay to use Stadia, it's free. You CAN pay for a Pro subscription to unlock higher resolutions and "free" monthly games, but that's optional.

If I quit my Pro membership today I'd still be able to play Doom and RDR2 on Stadia free of charge, at 1080P resolution.

Unlock what higher resolutions? above 1080P?

"free games?" you mean those games you paid for beforehand, the pro unlocked games you don't get to play for free after the pro subscription is lost afaik.

Quoting: Liam DaweI picked up Division 2 for ~£8 and I can play it without the Stadia Pro, as drlamb said.

Again only while Stadia exists.
You didn't pick up anything, you paid a subscription free to access that game on the platform while it exists.
The only reason Steam can get away with this is
A) Its now very well established, they had huge public concerns over this initially btw!
B) Valve has already stated they will enable offline mode for all their games if the service dies, or remove drm. (Which you can do already btw!! tested, working!)


Stadia is failing because its a HUGE unknown, if they released public information about ALL peoples concerns and what they will do if something like loss of service occurs etc... people might be more willing to trust them (or not, depending on response).


Last edited by TheRiddick on 30 May 2020 at 1:31 am UTC

Quoting: legluondunetI'm totally noob about Stadia subject, could someone tell me if Google provide a Linux native client?
Thanks.

Google Chrome Web Browser and/or Chromium is all you need. Treat Stadia like you would treat any other browser based game.

Quoting: drlamb

Quoting: t3g

Then turn them off in the control panel? Bye Felicia.

Alright then. I still don't know why you are white knighting for Google.

Quoting: t3gAlright then. I still don't know why you are white knighting for Google.

Pretty sure he/she works for Google Stadia somehow. I mean look at the icon tag, lol


Last edited by TheRiddick on 30 May 2020 at 1:53 am UTC

Quoting: t3gAlright then. I still don't know why you are white knighting for Google.

Quoting: TheRiddickPretty sure he/she works for Google Stadia somehow. I mean look at the icon tag, lol

Not white knighting, nor do I work for Google. It's simply an exciting piece of technology using my favorite piece of technology: Linux. Let's face it, Google made Linux attractive to AAA game developers in a way Valve failed to do after how many years now? The Witcher 3 was coming to SteamOS...and then it wasn't. Cyberpunk 2077 on the other hand is coming to Stadia. My "annoyance" with your comment is more so due to Liam constantly receiving comments such as yours regarding what he should/should not cover on his site. Plenty of people here are interested in Stadia.

The recent advances in Linux/Vulkan tech have paved the way for a "SteamOS v2" type solution from Valve and you can sure as hell bet I'd jump all over that if/when it comes. I want Linux gaming to succeed and will support it in anyway I can. We're on the same side.

Quoting: TheRiddickUnlock what higher resolutions? above 1080P?

"free games?" you mean those games you paid for beforehand, the pro unlocked games you don't get to play for free after the pro subscription is lost afaik.

Stadia is far from failing. And yes, a Pro subscription currently allows you to play at 4K or 1440P. Correct, if you stop paying for Stadia Pro you'd lose access to all claimed Pro games (if you resubscribe all previously claimed games are available). I would not lose access to the games I've outright purchased.


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Quoting: LinuxwarperMoreover PC gaming encompasses all major OSes. On Windows Stadia has made developers remove their games from Geforce Now.

This is pure conjecture. Nvidia themselves have admitted they needed to work out licensing with publishers. Streaming is a new territory.

Quoting: LinuxwarperWhy is this important? Well if Geforce Now was available on Linux, and it's possible it will be (with Valve's encouraging Nvidia), all those games being removed from the streaming service would have affected Linux users too. Geforce Now was launched 2015, Stadia 2019. In 2020 was when most publishers and developers started removing their games from Geforce Now.

I don't use Windows nor do I want to rent a Windows machine in the cloud just to play a game. GeforceNow is NOT Linux gaming even if it can be accessed via Linux (which atm, it cannot). How does buying a game on steam via GeforceNow benefit Linux gaming at all? Sure, you may eventually be able to access GFN on Linux but a game purchased there will still count as a Windows sale.

Quoting: LinuxwarperStadia games being released natively for Linux would work against Stadia. Google wants people to stream their games with Stadia, not play them locally. You could be lenient on Google and say Valve isn't encouraging developers to release their games on Linux, so Google should be in the clear, except Valve has released their games natively for Linux and are making big contributions to the platform.

Metro Exodus is coming to desktop Linux. Discounting any exclusivity deals with google it's up to the developers/publishers. I'd argue that Epic store exclusive games for games/series (Metro) that would have otherwise come to steam/desktop Linux is more harmful to our goal (of Linux gaming). Google is one of the biggest contributors to the Linux kernel/open source in general. While not 100% gaming related, they still do contribute to the platform.

I'd rather support companies that take the time/effort to port a game to Linux/vulkan than scream "hey look at me!" when I buy a windows game that's otherwise unsupported to play via proton. (A supported effort is a different story as stated).


Last edited by drlamb on 30 May 2020 at 3:21 am UTC

Sorry don't believe a word you say.
For starters its NOT new technology, companies have been doing this for years and even offered much better deals, then you have Geforce Now, the console streaming game apps. AND MANY OTHERS.

Also I SERIOUSLY don't trust google for so many well proven reasons I can't get into on here.

But ultimately IMO their service doesn't offer enough value to customers.
We will see how things go but I don't understand why PAYING for a copy of a game FOR GOOGLE TO USE somehow means you can't take that hard copy of the game home with you or download it in a way like Steam does and play on your physical computer in offline mode if need be.

Quoting: TheRiddickSorry don't believe a word you say.
For starters its NOT new technology, companies have been doing this for years and even offered much better deals, then you have Geforce Now, the console streaming game apps. AND MANY OTHERS.

Also I SERIOUSLY don't trust google for so many well proven reasons I can't get into on here.

I never said it was new tech, licensing in the age of steaming is a new territory.

It's more of the perfect storm of the stars aligning where game streaming (and Linux gaming) is actually feasible. OnLive was ahead of its time as was SteamOS. If Vulkan was a thing when SteamOS was announced we'd all likely be gaming on our Steam machines. I don't trust Google as my email provider, I use and pay for ProtonMail. It's very easy to separate my personal life from a gaming service.

Quoting: TheRiddickBut ultimately IMO their service doesn't offer enough value to customers.
We will see how things go but I don't understand why PAYING for a copy of a game FOR GOOGLE TO USE somehow means you can't take that hard copy of the game home with you or download it in a way like Steam does and play on your physical computer in offline mode if need be.

That's fine, continue to pay hundreds to thousands of monetary units for physical hardware to play games. The appeal of Stadia is that you don't have to. A screen and an internet connection are all you need. There are games on steam you cannot play offline and the majority of popular games these days are multiplayer. It all depends on what you're interested in playing but chances are you cannot completely avoid some form of DRM. Everyone has their limits as to what is/is not acceptable to use.

I choose not to use Windows regardless of what games that excludes me from playing. Some people are the same way with DRM and others like myself will never have an Nvidia graphics card in my build for ethical/personal reasons. It's a matter of personal choice.


I will continue to build computers to run Linux locally but even I'm not blind to the appeal of instant access to a game I paid for...for free.


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