NVIDIA 450.57 is out for Linux with DLSS and NGX, Image Sharpening plus more

Quoting: EikeI don't understand you negativity. What are you fearing?

I guess Nvidia taking over the world ;)

On a more serious note, I guess it is no secret that our @Shmerl has a very strong distaste of closed source technology coming from the likes of Nvidia or Microsoft. I guess he is either trying to use every argument to convince users to stay away from it, or his opinion is already that biased due to knowing where it comes from that he can't objectively reason anymore. Could also be both.

@Shmerl, please don't take it personally, I value your knowledge for everything concerning Open Source technology. To quote another user, please "define yourself by the things you love and not by the thing you hate", I would recommend you to stay away from topics with the green banner on it.


Last edited by jens on 10 July 2020 at 9:56 am UTC

Quoting: jens"define yourself by the things you love and not by the thing you hate"

Nice, who said that? (I see is a quote from something?)

Quoting: ShmerlSo it doesn't increase quality,

I don't think you understand whats going on one bit. But 'when' everyone is doing similar things as to what DLSS does, I'll watch you eat your own hat! :)

Also as someone pointed out, native everything would be great, but lets face it, unless a magical fairy comes down from the silicon heavens and unleashes a compute power revolution, then we aren't going to see CPU's or GPU's for the consumer handle future graphics very well without some way to 'optimize' performance at higher resolutions or fps.

In saying that DLSS2.0 has shown that in areas a 1440p image can look better then 2160p, its not universal but it CAN look decently better in areas.


Last edited by TheRiddick on 10 July 2020 at 10:36 am UTC

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: jens"define yourself by the things you love and not by the thing you hate"

Nice, who said that? (I see is a quote from something?)

Thanks for the response, yeah, I guess some places could be a lot nicer when everyone (me including) would have that quote more often in the back of their minds!

I've read it somewhere here on GOL in another discussion, unfortunately not sure anymore where exactly that was and no idea where it originates from (I haven't looked for though).

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Quoting: Projectile VomitI'm still wrestling with this damn Nvidia/Intel hybrid thing. I switched, recently, to Manjaro (KDe- I love KDe. Leave me alone.) and have never seen this hybrid thing until now. I tried switching to just the Nvidia 440 drivers, and rebooting did not give me the desired results. I am the guy who simply decided to reformat (after backing up everything using a liveUSB), when I mess up the graphics. I have never been very good at recovering a system from a graphics issue. So I reformatted with Manjaro (I get better results with my music production than from other distros, which may have something to do with the hybrid video drivers, as Nvidia is known not to play nice with audio production, but I'm not entirely sure). I am back at the hybrid drivers and, for now, I'm leaving them. Music production is a bit more important to me than games, at least on this computer (my only computer, at this time). I hope a switch that doesn't have me altering files and jumping through hoops comes along soon.

While Manjaro runs fine on my desktop (no hybrid), I had the same problem than you with my MSI laptop. I finally installed Linux Mint on it, and it works ok. I haven't tried making music on it though.

I was using Linux Mint until they dropped their KDe spin. Ever since the loss of Gnome 2.0, I have stuck with KDe.

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: TheRiddickHave you even tried DLSS 2.0? (and 3.0 down the pipe will be better)

Your comments strongly suggest you've only ever read about it

If you increase resolution, reconstructed image can only be an approximation, no matter how much machine learning you'll throw at it. That's just how it works by definition.

What you're saying might actually matter if we were talking about images of real things. These are computer-generated images in the first place. Using an A.I. to "approximate" them is meaningless to your eyes. If it looks right and runs faster on your machine, why would it matter?

Quoting: herbertAs he said you just missing the point. It does increase quality if you set lower settings.

I explained my point. It decreases quality in comparison with using high settings.

Quoting: herbertWhy do you want to waste energy power when you can have an almost as good render but with higher FPS ?

Because "almost as good" is worse. This whole resolution race is just marketing. If GPU isn't ready for higher resolution no amount of tricks can compensate for lack of compute power. And instead of wasting die space on those trick ASICs, GPU makers can actually use it for proper compute units.

Quoting: EikeI don't understand you negativity. What are you fearing?

I don't like solutions that lower quality and waste GPU die space, while at the same time are sold as some kind of super cool feature. That's just what Nvidia does. They know that competition is already head to head with them in compute power, so they start resorting to tricks like "hey, look we can bump resolution more than competition and it won't be so horrible still". But for that, they stuff the card with ASICs just for those tricks. The alternative (proper approach) is continuing to increase compute power.

Basically to sum up. DLSS is a marketing and market manipulation tool, it's not a good technology.


Last edited by Shmerl on 10 July 2020 at 3:59 pm UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: herbertAs he said you just missing the point. It does increase quality if you set lower settings.

I explained my point. It decreases quality in comparison with using high settings.

Yeah, obviously.
And calculating only for the real resolution decreases quality in comparison with supersampling.
By the way, usual rendering decreases quality compared to raytracing.
So everything below raytracing is to be avoided.

Sure, the feature is a compromise, but every computer rendering is compromise.


Last edited by Eike on 10 July 2020 at 3:59 pm UTC

Quoting: EikeSure, the feature is a compromise, but every computer rendering is compromise.

Yes, but the way Nvidia does it is not good technologically. However since they have more money / resources, they know that once they push this approach (adding more ASICs to the GPU), others will need to either follow it even if it's bad (cheap and wrong way to address quality) or they'll need to invest a lot more money in proper compute advancement. So for them it's a sneaky way to get an edge, but for the end user it's a bad deal.

You should think beyond koolaid logic here. And it's not really about open source vs closed source. It's about technology progress. Nvidia has a lot of power over the market now, and they push garbage approaches due to that.


Last edited by Shmerl on 10 July 2020 at 4:06 pm UTC