Ova Magica blends Harvest Moon, Stardew Valley and Pokemon in the tech demo

Even if it is just a game, the idea that you make animals fight each other for your business disturbs me too much.
My child will never play this or any other pokemon related game.

If they pick up the best elements of all three of those games something interesting could come of it.

Looks pretty neat! I've always wanted something like this so I will be checking it out.

Even if it is just a game, the idea that you make animals fight each other for your business disturbs me too much.
My child will never play this or any other pokemon related game.

Same here. No matter how cute any game of this type may look, the initial concept is much too disturbing for me. I haven't even seen any of these games try to hide the concept behind something more innocent, like having the creatures pillowfight or who-gives-the-best-compliments battles (which I have seen in other game types).
It's honestly baffling to me how both the games and the audience seem perfectly fine with fantasy cock/dog fights; am I missing something?

It's honestly baffling to me how both the games and the audience seem perfectly fine with fantasy cock/dog fights; am I missing something?

I really hope so, because my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.
I've ethical problems with factorio too which seems a great game from the demo.
DAMN!

Even if it is just a game, the idea that you make animals fight each other for your business disturbs me too much.
My child will never play this or any other pokemon related game.

Same here. No matter how cute any game of this type may look, the initial concept is much too disturbing for me. I haven't even seen any of these games try to hide the concept behind something more innocent, like having the creatures pillowfight or who-gives-the-best-compliments battles (which I have seen in other game types).

Maybe Ooblets will be something for you then. The battles there are dance battles. No contact at all. Currently only on the Epic Store though, but I assume the devs will eventually want to sell the game, so it'll no doubt come to Steam when it comes out of EA.

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I really hope so, because my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.
I've ethical problems with factorio too which seems a great game from the demo.
DAMN!

Factorio? Ethical problems? Would you care to describe them? Not going to contest you, just curious.

From reddit (sorry, i'm not english, but the following describes well what i think):
"I can't help but notice the game is about settling a planet, mining out all of it's resources while polluting the planet, and killing the inhabits that are trying to stop you from destroying their homes."

It's honestly baffling to me how both the games and the audience seem perfectly fine with fantasy cock/dog fights; am I missing something?

I really hope so, because my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.
I've ethical problems with factorio too which seems a great game from the demo.
DAMN!

I was going to hold off on saying something because i was concerned how the conversation would go but ...
Let me play devil's advocate for a bit.
It's a game.
It's not real.
GTA has you play a gangster that can run over civilians and police officers by the hundreds. Nobody who plays that game wants to do that in real life.
I recently played Underrail where one mission for a proto-fascist faction asked me to gas some rebels. That doesn't mean I'm ok with crimes against humanity.
I don't mean to seem disrispectful but it really does sound the same as the argument that playing D&D puts you in league with the devil.

It's honestly baffling to me how both the games and the audience seem perfectly fine with fantasy cock/dog fights; am I missing something?

I really hope so, because my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.
I've ethical problems with factorio too which seems a great game from the demo.
DAMN!

I was going to hold off on saying something because i was concerned how the conversation would go but ...
Let me play devil's advocate for a bit.
It's a game.
It's not real.
GTA has you play a gangster that can run over civilians and police officers by the hundreds. Nobody who plays that game wants to do that in real life.
I recently played Underrail where one mission for a proto-fascist faction asked me to gas some rebels. That doesn't mean I'm ok with crimes against humanity.
I don't mean to seem disrispectful but it really does sound the same as the argument that playing D&D puts you in league with the devil.

I get your point but I don't usually enjoy games that portray realistic violence as "fun" either unless the setting or presentation puts it firmly in make-believe territory. As for D&D, I still wouldn't enjoy a campaign where the focus was to enslave and abuse non-humanoid creatures, just like I imagine most people wouldn't (reactions to animals getting hurt in film or animation is a good example) - I'm just surprised that it seems that the thin veneer of "no no, these animals enjoy mauling each other" is enough for most people to not have that same gut reaction.

It's honestly baffling to me how both the games and the audience seem perfectly fine with fantasy cock/dog fights; am I missing something?

I really hope so, because my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.
I've ethical problems with factorio too which seems a great game from the demo.
DAMN!

I was going to hold off on saying something because i was concerned how the conversation would go but ...
Let me play devil's advocate for a bit.
It's a game.
It's not real.
GTA has you play a gangster that can run over civilians and police officers by the hundreds. Nobody who plays that game wants to do that in real life.
I recently played Underrail where one mission for a proto-fascist faction asked me to gas some rebels. That doesn't mean I'm ok with crimes against humanity.
I don't mean to seem disrispectful but it really does sound the same as the argument that playing D&D puts you in league with the devil.

I get your point but I don't usually enjoy games that portray realistic violence as "fun" either unless the setting or presentation puts it firmly in make-believe territory. As for D&D, I still wouldn't enjoy a campaign where the focus was to enslave and abuse non-humanoid creatures, just like I imagine most people wouldn't (reactions to animals getting hurt in film or animation is a good example) - I'm just surprised that it seems that the thin veneer of "no no, these animals enjoy mauling each other" is enough for most people to not have that same gut reaction.

I respect that.
Context does matter and how violence is portraied matters.
This game is not out yet , so can't really say what the context will be.
As for other franchises like Pokemon , not really sure. Haven't been that big a fan over the years to really say. But i recall the pokemon could not be forced and they were stubborn to their trainers. The whole vibe i got as a kid was a kind of boxing setting where you train the fighters. Maybe the developers of such games side step the more unsavory aspects or maybe we are reading to much into them.

It's honestly baffling to me how both the games and the audience seem perfectly fine with fantasy cock/dog fights; am I missing something?

I really hope so, because my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.
I've ethical problems with factorio too which seems a great game from the demo.
DAMN!

I was going to hold off on saying something because i was concerned how the conversation would go but ...
Let me play devil's advocate for a bit.
It's a game.
It's not real.
GTA has you play a gangster that can run over civilians and police officers by the hundreds. Nobody who plays that game wants to do that in real life.
I recently played Underrail where one mission for a proto-fascist faction asked me to gas some rebels. That doesn't mean I'm ok with crimes against humanity.
I don't mean to seem disrispectful but it really does sound the same as the argument that playing D&D puts you in league with the devil.

Yes yes, i know it is a game and it is not real, that's the first thing i wrote in my first reply, but imho the real fun is when game and reality blends, i like to be empathic with a group of pixels, yes.
For me, gaming is immersion; i don't like to play just for the sake of finish the game and i don't like gaming if i cannot impersonate the character.
I remember when i was a kid playing adventures without actually progressing in the story, but i was so fully immersed in the virtual world, that just walking into it was a lot of fun.
Now things are turning different, and my imagination isn't that way anymore, so i really need to like the character to pretend i am him, or else, no fun.

Quoting myself:

[...]my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.[...]

Sorry for that, i can understand that other people are better than me in having fun in doing bad things they never should do in real life.

It's honestly baffling to me how both the games and the audience seem perfectly fine with fantasy cock/dog fights; am I missing something?

I really hope so, because my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.
I've ethical problems with factorio too which seems a great game from the demo.
DAMN!

I was going to hold off on saying something because i was concerned how the conversation would go but ...
Let me play devil's advocate for a bit.
It's a game.
It's not real.
GTA has you play a gangster that can run over civilians and police officers by the hundreds. Nobody who plays that game wants to do that in real life.
I recently played Underrail where one mission for a proto-fascist faction asked me to gas some rebels. That doesn't mean I'm ok with crimes against humanity.
I don't mean to seem disrispectful but it really does sound the same as the argument that playing D&D puts you in league with the devil.

Yes yes, i know it is a game and it is not real, that's the first thing i wrote in my first reply, but imho the real fun is when game and reality blends, i like to be empathic with a group of pixels, yes.
For me, gaming is immersion; i don't like to play just for the sake of finish the game and i don't like gaming if i cannot impersonate the character.
I remember when i was a kid playing adventures without actually progressing in the story, but i was so fully immersed in the virtual world, that just walking into it was a lot of fun.
Now things are turning different, and my imagination isn't that way anymore, so i really need to like the character to pretend i am him, or else, no fun.

Quoting myself:

[...]my faith in human kind is alerady at minimum levels.[...]

Sorry for that, i can understand that other people are better than me in having fun in doing bad things they never should do in real life.

Uhm dude , nobody is saying they are better than you.
I personally just disagree with your reasoning on this one topic , that's all.
If you think the game bothers you or is a bad influence on your children , by all means avoid it. No beef from me on that front.
I can understand immersion but i guess it is on a case by case basis. Someone might be repulsed by a game like GTA or Mortal Kombat , someone might not even notice the violence or context and just aim for the highest points.