Devs quit Skullgirls and Indivisible studio Lab Zero Games, issues with studio owner

Quoting: PatolaNo, that's a false dilemma. And I would suggest not to go this way on this thread, this has nothing whatsoever to do with racism and the current topic is controversial enough.

Did you even read the article and the linked source that talks about past issues? Zaimont thought it was funny to make a racist joke about "I can't breathe". If you don't understand that, and why it's truly shit to joke about it then you must live in a really nice bubble. So yes, Racism does come into it. Stop defending a clear creep and terrible person. You can't just write everything off like this as some form of cancel culture or whatever idiotic term people come up with next to defend terrible people.


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Quoting: GuestHe's an asshole, that's for sure, this is the conversation (not as inappropriate as you would think): https://imgur.com/a/EAHadqu
Cancel culture is just witch-hunting, if you got an asshole coworker you can do something about it, it seems like the typical situation in which a guy is being a dick and nobody does nothing about it so he keeps being a dick and also becomes more and more stupid over the time, because nobody does anything.
I have a coworker that likes to sexually touch the people, the same day he touched me i just said him that the next time I would smash his head against the concrete. He never touched me again.

I don't know, looking at the conversation it looks like he's trying too hard to be funny and generally not too good at interacting with a person. Especially since said person is apparently a young, sexy lady who's publicly into kinky stuff (did I get this part right?).

Then again, as others previously said, if half of the staff is quitting over his behavior, I think it's safe to assume that there was something wrong about it that made people uncomfortable.

Quoting: PatolaBut I feel sad for the cries to cancel that individual, it's cancel culture to its fullest. What's wrong with cancelling someone if they deserve it?

What on earth are you talking about? This isn't 'cancel culture', it's half a game studio quitting because their manager is a known abusive sex pest arsehole who should have been fired.

My employment history is deeply varied - from voice acting to nursing to retail - but one thing is 100% consistent: bad managers make working life utter hell for those who have to work under them. There are, generally, three solutions - promote them, fire them, or watch good staff leave. This studio chose option 3.

The aspiemeter readings are out of range... again.

Quoting: ElectroDDI'll add to the skepticism bucket this small fact:
There are no legal action against the guy from what we know.

And that's the typical signature of false accusation, even more so in Los Angeles. They have pretty good laws against Harassement. Why aren't there any legal action and only twitter bashing ?

Um, very simply and assuredly, no... My father spent almost his entire career in HR for large corporations dealing with issues such as these and legal actions are outrageously rare, even in situations that are 100% verified through investigative means (which, if it's high ranking people involved, these companies will do). It's outrageously time consuming and expensive and everyone involved is motivated to resolve these issues in a multitude of other ways.

He also noted, for much the same reasons to say nothing of fears of blowback and reputational harm, false accusation, especially in the workplace, is also outrageously rare. While everyone in the industry has their favorite story or two about a fake this or a false that, the vast majority of accusations usually have some degree of truth behind them at some level.

Quoting: PatolaI am not actually defending his "cause", I am defending his right to not be condemned before trial.

If you want to defend the rights of racists, shouldn't you do this in court instead of a Linux Gaming forum? :D

This is one of the rare circumstances on GOL that I wouldn't mind the comments being disabled. Some of these comments are rather disheartening to read.

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Quoting: PatolaStill doesn't justify lynching the person, even if we assume they are guilty. Again, due legal process.

Lynching means something, to call this sort of thing lynching is just gross. This is private individuals using their freedom of speech to call out an employer's behavior and make public statements. There's no legal process involved because this is how speech is supposed to work.

These private individuals acting in concert and contributing to get that guy out of the market

Excuse me, but they quit their jobs. As in, abandoned their gainful employment to instead make zero dollars, very literally putting their money where their mouths are. He's still sitting on his now-largely-vacant company; he's not the one "out of the market".

Quoting: PatolaFrom the said joke, I had not understand at the time I read this was an allusion to George Floyd, indeed. Anyway, this look like dark humor to me, insensitivity to George's death, not necessarily racism only because George was black.

I keep my point that this is cancel culture, which tries to skip trial and due process.

You know, I'm in my fifties. Back in the 1970s or 80s I don't remember anyone thinking you had to have a trial and due process before you were allowed to say something nasty about someone. So I don't think saying nasty things about people without first holding a trial represents "cancel culture". It's kind of incoherent as an idea--how do you try someone for the right to say nasty things about them without first saying the nasty things you want to be allowed to say?

If you're so hung up on trials, it seems to me the shoe is on the other foot--if they're lying, let him sue them for libel.