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My experiences of Valve's VR on Linux

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As the proud and excited owner of a shiny new Valve Index kit to go with my almost-new all-AMD rig, I thought I’d outline the journey to getting it all working, exclusively on Linux.

Now bear in mind that I’m not amazingly Linux-savvy. I’ve been using it since the early 2000’s, sure, and full time, exclusively, since 2013, but I’m not very interested in learning the guts of this stuff. I’m extremely technical as a network nerd, but my O/S is just a tool to let me run cool things. I want to be a “normal” consumer of that O/S and if things don’t work out of the box, I take a dim view of it and I don’t have a lot of patience for terminal hacks or “compiling my own kernel”.

Why is that important? Because  when it comes to the Valve Index on Linux, absolutely nothing works out of the box... and yet it’s still (mostly) a success story. Here are some of the hoops I had to jump through to get this stuff working (again, mostly).

My system:

  • Distribution: Mint 19.3
  • Desktop Environment: Cinnamon
  • RAM: 32GB
  • CPU Model: AMD 3900X
  • GPU Model: AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT

You can also see my specs in my profile or by clicking “View PC info” under my avatar in any of my comments, but I’ve listed them here so that this article notes them statically as those during my experience with the Index.

Edit: I'm also using Kernel 5.7.8 from Mainline here, which is important given the hardware I'm using. Also, the OIBAF PPA puts me on Mesa 20.2 at the time of writing.

Unboxing

It’s so pretty! The presentation and unboxing experience is very Apple-like or Google Pixel-like in that it tries to get your buy in just from opening the box! There’s a real wow-factor at play here. It’s a HUGE box, bigger than it needs to be probably, but the presentation is great.

(The HMD visor is so shiny and new that you can see me taking the photo in the third shot!)

There’s not many pictures from here on out, because trying to capture a VR experience with a screenshot (or even a video) is like trying to taste food with your nose pinched.

So, let’s get started!

First Attempt

The “Getting Started” card is pretty basic actually. In summary:

  • Basestations are plugged into a power outlet, front and back of room - check
  • Headset (HMD) is plugged into Displayport and USB3, and powered - check
  • Controllers are on - check
  • Enabled the Steam beta - check
  • SteamVR is downloaded - check

Let’s do this! In Steam, I change my “games” filter to “games and tools”, then run SteamVR. Nothing happens. But wait! I see a light from the HMD. Putting it on, I can see a basic, default, VR environment - a grid on the floor, with mountains in the distance, stars overhead and a moon hanging directly above me. Head tracking is fine, and everything is nice and clear, but I can’t actually do anything and I certainly haven’t defined my “play area”, so I’m reluctant to actually launch a VR game at this point, for fear of walking into a table, wall, or through the french windows while they’re closed!

Taking the HMD off, I can see that I have a bunch of errors on my Steam client about how “SteamVR failed to initialize”. Okay then.

The errors must have taken a few seconds to pop up, or they did so as a result of my putting the HMD on. Hmmm.

So… to Google!

Second Attempt

Well, it looks like SteamVR also has a beta branch, which you activate like any game. Go to SteamVR, right click and choose Properties, then hit the Betas tab:

Which to choose though? Well, I’m on Linux, so the answer is pretty obvious! The “temp” worries me, but it’s the only Linux entry, so I choose it anyway. It downloads, I run SteamVR again, it asks for my sudo password (surprising!), and off we go.

Much better!

Now, I get a pop up on the desktop screen asking me to step through a set up process, including defining my play area. Basically, you stand in the centre of your “space”, point your controller at the screen and pull the trigger, then lay both controllers on the ground, then finally you move the controller around the edges of your space, holding down the trigger, to form a virtual box. This box must be at least 1.5m wide and about 2m in length, otherwise the program complains that it’s too small. I had to rejig my room a bit to accommodate that! I think there’s supposed to be a way around that minimum size, but this version of SteamVR literally won’t you press the “next” button unless you hit the minimum, so that’s what I did.

Having done so, I could put on the HMD and I was back at the default landscape. But now there’s an option in the bottom bar called “SteamVR Home”. I click on it with my emulated laser-pointer controller and finally got my first taste of how absolutely incredible VR can be when it’s “done right”.

SteamVR Home is like BigPicture mode, but for VR. It emulates a room which has a balcony space outside overlooking a distant mountain range. Butterflies flutter by, and you can customise the room and the balcony/garden area in a variety of ways. You also have an “avatar” and can invite friends to your room for chat, or as a party set up for games.

I customised my avatar, drew weird shapes with my painting tool, threw the Portal companion cube around a bit, watching it bounce around. It wasn’t until later that I discovered that Steam Home seems to have a problem saving environments, which is a shame. Frankly, until that’s fixed, there’s literally no point in using Home at all. Later on, I’ll end up disabling it completely, which is pretty disappointing.

But I’m here for now, so I tried to launch a game. Any game. But no dice. I could “view details” of games, but there was no launch button. So what’s going on?

Taking off the headset, I see more errors on the desktop. Sheesh. This looks serious.

So… to Google!

Third Attempt

Looked like I already had a lot of these installed, but as the error notes, it’s the 32-bit versions I need. So after a bit of searching on the web and via Synaptic, I get this to go away with a series of apt commands. In summary:

sudo apt install libva-x11-2:i386 libva2:i386 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:i386 libxtst6:i386 libgtk2.0-0:i386 libbz2-1.0:i386 libvdpau1:i386

And for good measure, I also do:

sudo apt install libvulkan1:i386 mesa-vulkan-drivers:i386 vulkan-utils:i386

After all that, I’m not getting any errors anymore, which is great. And I have a “Launch game” option in SteamVR Home now! Which does… nothing. At all.

So… (surprise!) to Google!

Fourth Attempt

I’m going to quickly summarise about an hour of frustrating googling/launching/killing/launching/googling here, but ultimately, I resorted to the tried and tested “have you tried switching it off and back on again” method of nerd troubleshooting.

And it almost, kind of, worked.

I start Moss from inside SteamVR Home, and my launch button now fades the Home environment away, and I’m now in the default environment, with a floating banner that says “Up Next: Moss”.

However, after a disappointing couple of minutes, it’s clearly not doing anything.

So… (you know the drill by now) to Google!

Fifth Attempt

Okay, so it looks like the main issue is that a lot of the games I’m trying to launch are Windows only and perhaps they have to be launched directly from Steam? It looks like SteamVR on Linux doesn’t know how to handle Proton titles from “within” the SteamVR environment.

So, I fire up SteamVR, leaving it in the default environment (not SteamVR Home), then I hit the “play” button on Moss on my desktop.

It works! Almost. No sound! But the game launched and it’s my first “real” VR gaming experience. I don’t spend long with Moss though, as it’s clear that it’s a narrative-driven experience and I don’t want to ruin it by playing without sound.

So why are my Index speakers not working?

So… to Google!

Sixth Attempt

Well, this was over an hour of trying various things - mainly running

tail -f /var/log/kern.log

... and then unplugging the USB3 connector and plugging it back in, and watching the output in the terminal. It’s definitely recognising all the devices - the HMD, the twin cameras on the HMD, the microphone, the speakers… but for some reason that's not translating to an actual device in my sound control panel.

Long (really, really long, another hour or two maybe) story short - it looks like my multi-monitor set up was interfering here. I noticed that the speakers’ description is “HDMI / DP 5”, which is the same port number my second screen uses.  When I unplugged my second monitor, the Index speakers appeared in my sound’s control panel. I have sound!

Perhaps this issue is related to https://github.com/ValveSoftware/SteamVR-for-Linux/issues/348

Who knows? Who cares! They work!

Kind of… they’re actually crackling and hissing on certain channels. I notice this in Moss when certain music plays, on the sound effect when you push/pull objects, and most annoying of all, when the narrator speaks.

So… to Google!

Seventh Attempt

Okay, quicker fix for this one. A weird fix, but it works. All you have to do after starting SteamVR, is start the PulseAudio Volume Control (I had to install it first, of course, it’s rarely included by default, at least on Ubuntu derivatives). And, that’s it. That’s all you do. You go from hissing/crackling sound to crystal clear sound on your Index… by opening that app. I have no words.

Later on, I’ll discover that by changing my primary, now singular monitor from HDMI to DisplayPort, I seem to get pretty consistent, crystal-clear sound without resorting to opening the Pulse Audio volume control. But for now, I’m just delighted it works.

It’s time to go big. It’s time to try Half Life Alyx.

Or not. Starting the game fails almost immediately with a vriniterror_init_interfacenotfound error. You know what that means? Yep.

So… to Google!

Eighth Attempt

At this point, I’ve probably had the VR set up for around 10 hours, most of which is actually with the HMD sat on my desk as I troubleshoot what the bloody hell is wrong with it. So I’m properly gutted that one of the biggest reasons I bought a VR kit, Half-Life Alyx, doesn’t even start.

After googling for about 20 minutes, all I’ve really found is a Steam Forums post noting that they had to update SteamVR before Alyx would launch. My SteamVR is already up to date though, albeit I’m still on the Linux_Temp build.

I’m desperate though. I can force an update if I change beta tabs! I switch back to SteamVR_beta, wait for the 500Mb download to complete, restart my PC to give it a clean slate, enter my sudo password again (yeah, that’s still weird) and finally start Alyx.

It works.

Indeed, not only does Alyx now work, but my SteamVR “settings” app works too. In fact, so does the desktop reprojection option! So does “reset seating/standing position”! In fact, everything seems to be working now (except the volume slider for some reason)!

Arrival: VR

I’ve now spent around 20 hours in VR, which is a crucial tipping point for me - it took me around 10 hours of soul-destroying googling to get this far. I can’t stress enough the weird dichotomy of running VR on Linux. On one hand, I paid £900 for the full kit, only to spend over a full working day wrestling with awful, incomprehensible issues for which I had little to no context.

On the other hand, now that it’s largely up and running, it’s easily the best money I’ve spent in a long time, because when you use a high quality HMD on a powerful PC and run “built-for-VR” games and software… it’s mind blowing. Truly, literally, game changing.

It’s not perfect, by a long way. The whole “getting started” experience is, as you can see, appalling. Especially on Linux. And even then there’s stuff that just doesn’t work, either well, or at all:

  • The cameras don’t work, as they’re tied to a D3D11 interface which fails on start up. Ironically, you can run guvcview and play about with them there - they’re just standard v4l2 cameras after all! Hopefully they get this fixed soon, but they'd have to rewrite that D3D11 dependency, so I don't expect that to happen quickly.
  • The volume slider on the “Dashboard” does nothing. You have to modify the volume setting on your desktop.
  • You can’t turn off the basestations yet, so make sure you can reach a plug/switch for them.
  • Steam Home doesn’t save any settings/changes you make within it, rendering it largely useless.
  • You can’t launch games from Steam Home, because it doesn’t seem to understand Proton.
  • Two of “The Lab” experiences crash out - “Robot Repair” and “Secret Lab”. They just fail, no idea why. All the others work though. This is also common on Windows, but none of the Windows fixes seem to work on Linux.
  • I can’t use my second monitor any more. This is probably my biggest gripe right now.
  • The Index head phones crackle until you launch pavucontrol (although this appears to be fixed by not using any HDMI on my system at all).
  • Finally, when you run SteamVR, the sound device appears in your sound panel, but it doesn’t switch to that output. Pulseaudio does has an option to auto-switch to “newly detected devices”, but something about the way that SteamVR creates the output channel seems to bypass this. After starting SteamVR, you have to switch the sound output manually.

But in the grand scheme of things, I’m finally really pleased with the overall result. In fact, there’s only one thing that still annoys me (other than losing my multi-monitor set up), and it’s the noise the basestations make when they’re on. It’s a high pitch, and apparently not everyone can hear it, but I appear to be one of the “lucky” few who not only hears it, but can easily hear it from about 3m away. For me it’s not subtle and only starting a game would distract you from the noise they make. So, basestations definitely off while not in use, sadly, which is a bit of a pain given the lack of remote power options on Linux. I have to literally unplug them.

Do I have any regrets? None at all now that I’m “here”. But good god, Valve have a long, long road before this stuff is mainstream. I’m thinking years, given their rate of progress so far. The out of box experience is just simply diabolically poor.

Is this the future of gaming? Yes and no. Yes, once you’ve experienced VR first hand, you’ll realise how fundamentally important and immersive it is. But no, not at this price, and certainly not with this level of hassle from a technical perspective. Also, arguably headsets need to get lighter, and potentially lose the wires too, which is still the biggest restriction/annoyance you’ll face in VR.

The jury is still out on whether VR could be good in an FPS environment too. Apparently Killing Floor 2 has VR support? I’ll maybe give that a shot. Or Dying Light, perhaps? I haven’t tried anything in VR that features traditional movement yet - it’s all jump-based movement, which isn’t as bad as I thought it would be. But I suspect that traditional movement might cause motion sickness, so we’ll see.

But other games work amazingly well in VR. Moss, for example, is just spellbinding. And Elite Dangerous feels like a completely different game in VR.

I just can’t stress it enough, the difference VR makes. You know when you start an FPS game it’s stuck on 1024x768, 70 FOV and with motion blur? Then you figure out how to get 1920x1080, 100 FOV with no motion blur and you’ve gone from a game you literally can’t play to a really beautiful, engaging experience?

Imagine that, but multiplied by a hundred. The idea of playing “flat” Elite Dangerous is now utterly laughable. Like, why would you restrict yourself so needlessly?? I’m being facetious to hammer home the point, because it’s hard to put into words otherwise. It’s THAT spectacular a jump.

To sum up, if you:

  1. Have the money
  2. Have the PC
  3. Have the technical skill
  4. Have the patience

...then VR is a fantastic experience when it’s all working. But you have to have all four, I think, before it’s a sure fire recommendation.
 

Appendix
Here's the games I've tried that work near-enough perfectly:

  • Half-life: Alyx
  • Beat Saber
  • Moss
  • Smashbox Arena
  • The Lab (although noting that two experiments crash)
  • Elite Dangerous
  • Space Pirate Trainer
  • Superhot VR
  • Gorn
  • Waltz of the Wizard
  • Sheaf - Together EP

And a couple of games that don't work:

  • Project Cars 2 doesn't recognise the HMD at all.
  • Overload doesn't recognise the HMD at all.
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jens Oct 4, 2020
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New Valve Index user here since a bit more than 48 hours.

The process for getting everything up and running had been somewhat bumpy for me here on Fedora 32 with a GTX 1080, but it was still better and faster than expected. Actually I stood in the SteamVR lobby after ~ 2,5 hours. I didn't had to use any beta version, I just run stable Steam and stable SteamVR.

My lessons learned:
- I had to switch from the latest Nvidia Vulkan Developer driver (455.22.04) to the latest stable (450.66). The Vulkan Developer driver gave me a hard system lookup when the headset was supposed to start. I haven't tried an earlier Vulkan Developer driver.

- The "Restart headset" function in the SteamVR menu is the life saver when the headset wont come to life. Initially I started to reboot my system or tried to reconnect the headset to the GPU (which sometimes worked, sometimes not) when the headset failed to start (red lights on the headset). It took me a few hours to discover that menu entry. Meantime I came close to think that I had already bricked my headset, it would have been useful when a short troubleshooting guide had been included.

- The system menu when being inside SteamVR can be activated by pressing the power button on the controller. The tutorial didn't mentioned this one, thus initially I didn't discover that menu and had to switch quite often between headset on and off.

- Getting the sound to the headset was also initially somewhat exhausting. I guess pulseaudio doesn't switches that easily from one display port sound output to another (I'm also using audio on my main screen via hdmi audio). In the end I spend some time into pactl and came up with `pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:hdmi-stereo-extra2` to do the re-routing with just one command.
I do have to restart pulseaudio after coming back from suspend and have to enjoy a few minutes of crackling when sound is played, though it has always been like this on my machine.The volume control in the SteamVR menu isn't working here unfortunately.

I've mostly played in the lobby with different environments. I tried two games, Elite Dangerous and DCS. Both are a bit tricky to get started in Proton, but once they started normally, they also started flawlessly in VR. Pretty impressive! I do see that I'm now missing a lot of GPU power :). When I switch to "low VR" setting in ED, it is really playable. With higher settings I'm experiencing a lot of jitter (I hope this is the correct term). I guess this is the missing async reprojection feature? I haven't played much with the SteamVR settings, expect setting the headset frequency to 90 Hz.

I tried some video players in Steam, none of them worked. Using the player that had been mentioned earlier here (https://git.dec05eba.com/vr-video-player/) I could enjoy the IMAX countdown from https://kodi.wiki/view/Samples#3D_Test_Clips in full 3D which is also pretty cool.

Finally, thanks a lot @Patola for recommending the full kit. Initially I wasn't sure if I wanted the controllers since I wanted to go mostly for flight/racing simulations, but now I'm really glad that I have them! The experience in the SteamVR lobby alone are worth it.

Overall I'm really glad with the kit and how it works on Linux. Now it's time to keep an eye on the GPU market!

PS: I can also hear the noise of the base station. Having a reachable power switch for them is also a must for me.


Last edited by jens on 5 October 2020 at 8:38 am UTC
whatever Oct 20, 2020
10 hours of soul-destroying googling to get [VR working]

I can report that it took me minutes to get the Index work on my system.

So as of 20 October 2020 the situation has vastly improved.
Well, at least on my system: Ryzen 3900X, Radeon 5700XT, Ubuntu 20.04, Linux 5.8.15, Mesa 20.2.1, SteamVR stable.

But it's still not perfect:

  • to get the HMD to work (Direct Mode) I had to first select "Devices -> Restart headset" command on SteamVR.

  • to get audio to work I had to use pavucontrol and manually move the volume slider.

  • sometimes I have to reboot the system because Steam "gets confused" (?) and can't properly launch games from SteamVR or simply acts weirdly or even locks up (this happened once, while trying to use the desktop inside VR).

  • For the first couple of seconds after a VR program has been started I experience weird flashes, as if the tracking needs to adjust or something (doesn't happen on Windows).


Apart from that, I can play Alyx for hours on end and the overall experience in game has been nothing short of fantastic.
I haven't been so enthusiastic about videogames for maaany years. So many years that I was ready to give up on the subject completely, until VR that is.


Last edited by whatever on 20 October 2020 at 9:29 am UTC
scaine Oct 20, 2020
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I re-installed Mint last week after a torrid two weeks on Manjaro. Manjaro's VR experience was okay, but other elements forced me back to Mint.

On Mint 20, although I entered the various commands for dependencies that I list in this article, I noticed that a lot of them are now already there. Presumably this tallies with a lot of people earlier telling me that their experience on 20.04 was pretty seamless. Now that Mint 20 is based from that, I'm finding it much more streamlined.

As for the VR experience, I know what you mean about the flashing. I think it's the equivalent of shader compiling as I only notice it when the game starts up, as you describe. It lasts under a second, but it's noticeable. Can't compare it to Windows as I haven't used that O/S for over 7 years now.

If you haven't already, check out my Forum post on how to remotely turn on/off your Lighthouses. It could use a few more people trying it out, I think. Some folk have struggled, while other are working perfectly. It worked for me perfectly on both Manjaro and Mint, so I think the issues people face are actually older VR hardware. Just a hunch though, still too few people replying on that thread to know for sure.

And I liked the earlier suggestion that we create a WIKI page for this stuff. I'll get round to that eventually, as my knowledge of this stuff grows.

VR is a incredible experience though, for sure. Games like Elite:Dangerous and Overload (in Proton) are incredible. I love it.


Last edited by scaine on 20 October 2020 at 12:34 pm UTC
whatever Oct 20, 2020
I think it's the equivalent of shader compiling as I only notice it when the game starts up, as you describe.

It's like the geometry moves erratically for the duration of just 1 frame, sometimes only on one eye, and it happens multiple times for 1 or 2 seconds.
Fortunately, when it stops it then works flawlessly.

If you haven't already, check out my Forum post on how to remotely turn on/off your Lighthouses.

I'll do! It's probably a better solution than the unofficial Android app.
sub Nov 13, 2020
I got a spare key for Creed: Rise to Glory
https://store.steampowered.com/app/804490/Creed_Rise_to_Glory/

Doesn't currently run with Proton!

Feel free to drop me a DM.
childermass Nov 22, 2020
I'm planning a new build, where I won't be starting with VR immediately but would like to keep open the option of getting a VR setup (probably a Valve Index) to play Elite: Dangerous in the future. I noticed that scaine and others have RX 5700 XTs. Could I please ask which specific cards you have, whether you're happy with them, how quiet they are, or if anyone has any other recommendations for good GPUs for a setup like this? I've seen lots of discussion about RX 5700 XTs having an abnormally high idle power consumption (example ). Has anyone else run into this?
scaine Nov 22, 2020
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My Sapphire 5700XT is super quiet. I have my PC sitting under the desk and it's barely audible. The fans on the Sapphire don't spin at idle at all - 0rpm. If I play a demanding game, they'll spin up around 1200rpm - audible, but certainly not over the game sounds.

It's a great experience and VR will happily sit at 120Hz each eye. I haven't noticed any performance issues at all. I generally game at 4K, 60fps with this card. In fact, GOL reader Michael Emory has a Youtube playlist on his experiences of running various native and proton titles at 4K with a 5700XT. He's very active on discord if you have further questions.

As for the high idle power consumption - nope. I'm running Mint 20, with Cinnamon as I write this and I'm on 8W, as you'd expect. If I run `watch sensors`, scrolling rapidly on Firefox can jump it up to 18W. Bigger graphical effects like Workspace Zoom can push it to 24W. No idea what it jumps to "in game", but certainly no idle issues on my rig.

As for recommendations - I'd highly recommend the 5700XT... but of course, the 6800 series just launched, so that recommendation is now tinged with a) will the price of the 5700XT cards come down now? and b) should you still buy a 5700XT when the faster 6800 and 6800XT cards will eventually become available? It'll depend on your timescales and budget, of course.
childermass Nov 23, 2020
My Sapphire 5700XT is super quiet.
Thank you very much! May I please ask which Sapphire model that is? I've seen the Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 5700 XT (as well as the Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 5700 XT BE version), as well as the Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 5700 XT (also in ... BE and ... SE versions, it seems).
tuubi Nov 23, 2020
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My Sapphire 5700XT is super quiet.
Thank you very much! May I please ask which Sapphire model that is? I've seen the Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 5700 XT (as well as the Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 5700 XT BE version), as well as the Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 5700 XT (also in ... BE and ... SE versions, it seems).
The BE versions seem to be smaller cards with smaller heat sinks and lower boost clocks, so I'd steer clear of those. Nitro+ is the flagship (and the SE is a "special edition" with some fancy RGB leds and higher overclocks), but I'd argue that the Pulse will give you better value for money.
slaapliedje Nov 23, 2020
I'm planning a new build, where I won't be starting with VR immediately but would like to keep open the option of getting a VR setup (probably a Valve Index) to play Elite: Dangerous in the future. I noticed that scaine and others have RX 5700 XTs. Could I please ask which specific cards you have, whether you're happy with them, how quiet they are, or if anyone has any other recommendations for good GPUs for a setup like this? I've seen lots of discussion about RX 5700 XTs having an abnormally high idle power consumption (example ). Has anyone else run into this?
If you're planning on Elite in VR, wait and get either a 3080 or a 6800 XT. I have a 2080, and it's playable in Windows, but gets ~100 fps less in Linux/Proton. And while it still runs ~190fps outside in space, inside stations you'll yack as the framerate drops a whole lot! I'm hoping if I get either a 3080 or 6800xt (haven't decided yet) I can finally play Elite: Dangerous in Linux.
childermass Nov 23, 2020
If you're planning on Elite in VR, wait and get either a 3080 or a 6800 XT. I have a 2080, and it's playable in Windows, but gets ~100 fps less in Linux/Proton. And while it still runs ~190fps outside in space, inside stations you'll yack as the framerate drops a whole lot! I'm hoping if I get either a 3080 or 6800xt (haven't decided yet) I can finally play Elite: Dangerous in Linux.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll think about it, although those cards might be beyond my budget and I was also hoping to get this set up before Christmas, so availability might be a problem. Besides, I got the impression from scaine and at least one other person in the comments on this article that the 5700XT performance for Elite in VR was pretty good?
scaine Nov 23, 2020
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If you're planning on Elite in VR, wait and get either a 3080 or a 6800 XT. I have a 2080, and it's playable in Windows, but gets ~100 fps less in Linux/Proton. And while it still runs ~190fps outside in space, inside stations you'll yack as the framerate drops a whole lot! I'm hoping if I get either a 3080 or 6800xt (haven't decided yet) I can finally play Elite: Dangerous in Linux.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll think about it, although those cards might be beyond my budget and I was also hoping to get this set up before Christmas, so availability might be a problem. Besides, I got the impression from scaine and at least one other person in the comments on this article that the 5700XT performance for Elite in VR was pretty good?

Yep, I play E:D in VR with my card (it's a "AMD Radeon Sapphire Pulse RX 5700 XT 8Gb", btw). I played about 80 hours 2D on my GTX1080, which was a decent experience, and then played a further 100 hours or so in VR with my 5700XT. The VR experience is next to flawless. I had to enabled "hardware cursors" in the settings or my mouse didn't work. Very occasionally, I'll get a one or two second lag when exiting Supercruise when approaching a station. No idea what causes it, but it's rare enough that I don't care - maybe 1 in every 20 stations will get this weird pause. It's not a graphical pause either, the whole game locks up, then springs back into life. It happened in 2D on my 1080 too, so I think it's maybe just a weird Proton issue. Hell, it might even happen in Windows.

But that's the only glitch I've encountered. In VR, the game is simply breath-taking on the 5700XT.

EDIT to note that apparently the supercruise lag is really common, and across all formats... even consoles! I play in Solo and it even affects me there, so it sounds like it might be a market update from their server hanging? It doesn't sound like it's fixed, that's for sure!


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slaapliedje Nov 23, 2020
If you're planning on Elite in VR, wait and get either a 3080 or a 6800 XT. I have a 2080, and it's playable in Windows, but gets ~100 fps less in Linux/Proton. And while it still runs ~190fps outside in space, inside stations you'll yack as the framerate drops a whole lot! I'm hoping if I get either a 3080 or 6800xt (haven't decided yet) I can finally play Elite: Dangerous in Linux.
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll think about it, although those cards might be beyond my budget and I was also hoping to get this set up before Christmas, so availability might be a problem. Besides, I got the impression from scaine and at least one other person in the comments on this article that the 5700XT performance for Elite in VR was pretty good?

Yep, I play E:D in VR with my card (it's a "AMD Radeon Sapphire Pulse RX 5700 XT 8Gb", btw). I played about 80 hours 2D on my GTX1080, which was a decent experience, and then played a further 100 hours or so in VR with my 5700XT. The VR experience is next to flawless. I had to enabled "hardware cursors" in the settings or my mouse didn't work. Very occasionally, I'll get a one or two second lag when exiting Supercruise when approaching a station. No idea what causes it, but it's rare enough that I don't care - maybe 1 in every 20 stations will get this weird pause. It's not a graphical pause either, the whole game locks up, then springs back into life. It happened in 2D on my 1080 too, so I think it's maybe just a weird Proton issue. Hell, it might even happen in Windows.

But that's the only glitch I've encountered. In VR, the game is simply breath-taking on the 5700XT.

EDIT to note that apparently the supercruise lag is really common, and across all formats... even consoles! I play in Solo and it even affects me there, so it sounds like it might be a market update from their server hanging? It doesn't sound like it's fixed, that's for sure!
Which VR headset are you using? As the resolution of course makes all the difference.
scaine Nov 24, 2020
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It's the Valve Index, slaapliedje. I bought the pack - HMD, lighthouses, knuckles.
slaapliedje Nov 24, 2020
It's the Valve Index, slaapliedje. I bought the pack - HMD, lighthouses, knuckles.
Interesting. It has been a while since I tried it in VR on Linux, winder if something changed, as it definitely wasn't all that playable for me with Proton (at least inside stations).

Granted at this point I need someone to port the Thrustmaster software over to Linux so I can use the Warthog set up I bought! (I even got a new panel to help me with the control layout.)
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If you're on Discord, you can chat to Michael Cerquoni
about his experiences too - he's using a 5700XT, albeit in 2D. You can see his E:D video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1dGXlrSsg4&t=812s

My experience of E:D in VR is absolutely top-notch though. A perfect experience (outside of the cross-platform freezes I mentioned earlier). Smooth head tracking, high frame rates, no crashes.

I would say though - an absolute pain to set up. The donet47 install takes ages - nearly 45 minutes on my nearly top-of-the-range rig. But at least it's one command (assuming you have ProtonTricks installed) and then it "just works".
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The dotnet4-something is fortunately no longer needed, the alternative wine-mono installer mentioned in the proton GitHub issue for ED(I don’t have the link at hand now) works much better.
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The dotnet4-something is fortunately no longer needed, the alternative wine-mono installer mentioned in the proton GitHub issue for ED(I don’t have the link at hand now) works much better.

I heard that, but haven't tried it yet. Apparently it doesn't let you login yet, but if you link your E:D account to Steam, you can use that button and it works. The most annoying part of the whole rigmarole is that you only need dotnet47 (or the new mono approach)... for the launcher! The game doesn't need it at all. So much pain, just so they can show a couple of adverts before the game launches. Infuriating.
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The login flow has been fixed in the meantime in the alternative wine-mono. I think the only inconvenience left is that after closing the launcher, you also have to press stop in Steam to really close it.

Yeah, sometimes I think it requires more work to get all the launchers running than the games itself, looking e.g. at Rockstar..

Edit: link to the alternative wine-mono https://github.com/redmcg/wine-mono/wiki


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slaapliedje Nov 25, 2020
The login flow has been fixed in the meantime in the alternative wine-mono. I think the only inconvenience left is that after closing the launcher, you also have to press stop in Steam to really close it.

Yeah, sometimes I think it requires more work to get all the launchers running than the games itself, looking e.g. at Rockstar..

Edit: link to the alternative wine-mono https://github.com/redmcg/wine-mono/wiki
Not to mention Launchers are garbage for 'couch gaming'. Also, both Star Trek Online and ED say I have MANY more hours of playing than I actually do as I have left the launchers open for days...
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