NVIDIA confirms $40 billion deal to buy Arm

Nvidia is big time SoC vendor (tegra) and this is very bad for market, where are anti-trust laws?

Quoting: slapinNvidia is big time SoC vendor (tegra) and this is very bad for market, where are anti-trust laws?

As Liam notes in the article: "This includes regulatory approvals across the U.K., China, the European Union and the United States which they're estimating to take 18 months." Of these the EU and maybe the U.K. are the only entities I could possibly see pushing back, but I doubt they will.

Quoting: The_Aquabatbut let me add something... everyone is saying that AMD drivers were trash, but the last Nvidia card I used was a Geforce 440MX, I give you that when it was ATI and not AMD it was a mess, but when AMD started getting the management the fglrx driver improved a lot I guess since the HD 3xxx series or so. I've been gaming on AMD since then, and I give you that it was a worse experience, (with ATI it was a disaster) but with AMD it wasn't that bad, it was totally possible to have a decent gaming experience. And since the gallium drivers things kept getting better and better.

So I take it that is specifically about fglrx here.

Well, I'm also a bit annoyed when I see fglrx categorized as trash, is like people like to go only to extremes, with awesome and trash and the like being the only vocabulary options, and nothing in between.

In all fairness IMO fglrx was usable, or yes, decent. When Steam introduced the Linux client I had a AMD HD6990 in my system. Now, the HD6990 was a good card at the time (at launch it was touted as "Simply the most powerful card in the world", imagine that) but on Linux only one of the two GPUs was working (Crossfire crap and all that), and performance was significantly reduced.
Nevertheless, fglrx did managed to run all the Linux games I had, with just minor issues. Good times.

Afterwards I switched to a HD7970, which did much better (again with fglrx) and eventually went back to Nvidia, but yes, for as long as I used it, fglrx served me well and hardly deserves the label "trash".

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Quoting: slapinNvidia is big time SoC vendor (tegra) and this is very bad for market, where are anti-trust laws?

As Liam notes in the article: "This includes regulatory approvals across the U.K., China, the European Union and the United States which they're estimating to take 18 months." Of these the EU and maybe the U.K. are the only entities I could possibly see pushing back, but I doubt they will.

I can imagine the EU doing it. If this gets embroiled in China vs. the US tech-politics, the realities are shifting rather fast. The EU is having to re-evaluate just who is their best trading partner, who they are going to be most involved with geopolitically, and the answer is looking somewhat different from even a few years ago; it may come up "The ones who own the New Silk Road" rather than "The ones who own big aircraft carriers and are too incompetent to handle a public health emergency" . . . especially since the aircraft carriers are obsolete in the hypersonic missile age.

As somebody pointed out elsewhere, at least be happy it's not bought by Apple, Intel or Qualcomm.

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Quoting: omer666This sucks big time, because it's going to create a new HPC hardware monopoly. Also given Nvidia's company "culture" about openness, this hardware monopoly can potentially become even worse.

Money is the only argument that prevents me from building an all-new full AMD rig and scrap both Nvidia and Intel parts for good right now.

They still have to face competition from AMD and Intel so it's not exactly a monopoly. And other companies are still going to be able to license ARM IPs.

There is competition indeed, but do they stand a chance? It is like suggesting Microsoft didn't have a monopoly in the 90's because there was Apple. HPC is already their biggest source of income right now, and with the ARM buyout, I can't think of anyone who can stop them as we speak.

How are they more likely to dominate this market that already is dominated by Intel? ARM doesnt have significant portions of the HPC market.

Nvidia does have a good share of the AI market but other comapnies are growing up a lot and some like tesla are making their own technology

They are more likely to dominate because for years now, HPC projects have been willing to get rid of x86 for many reasons, including (but not limited to) lack of parallelization capabilities, thermal efficiency, and scalability.
ARM doesn't dominate this market because it's quite a newcomer, but its progress has been tremendous.

Quoting: ShabbyXAs somebody pointed out elsewhere, at least be happy it's not bought by Apple, Intel or Qualcomm.

I don't understand to what extent Nvidia is any better.

Quoting: GuestInteresting but i guess desperate: https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/14/arm-co-founder-starts-save-arm-campaign-to-keep-independence-amid-40b-nvidia-deal/

QuoteThis puts Britain in the invidious position that the decision about who ARM is allowed to sell to will be made in the White House and not in Downing Street,” he writes

His apparent trust in the current UK government's ability to do anything productive let alone efficient is touching.

I can imagine them doing some "This British! We keep British!" (imagine Neanderthal man here) though.

Quoting: GuestInteresting but i guess desperate: https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/14/arm-co-founder-starts-save-arm-campaign-to-keep-independence-amid-40b-nvidia-deal/

QuoteThis puts Britain in the invidious position that the decision about who ARM is allowed to sell to will be made in the White House and not in Downing Street,” he writes

His apparent trust in the current UK government's ability to do anything productive let alone efficient is touching.

It's kind of amazing when you think about it that, stripped down, what he is saying, and it's being taken somewhat seriously for frankly solid reasons, is that being taken over by an American company could torpedo a business. Even ten years ago, can you imagine the idea that a company becoming American would be the kiss of death commercially being seriously contemplated? And yet here we are--the US picked their trade war with China and the fallout is beginning to filter down.

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Quoting: EhvisYou'd think that Linux users, who have been on the receiving end of FUD, would be slightly more careful with what they say. Unfortunately not the first time this has been proven wrong.

So Noveau poor performance is not Nvidia fault? Facts != FUD.

No it's not. It's a consequence of NVIDIA keeping secrets

Bulldust - there is plenty of hardware out there - including niche hardware - that is just as "secret" as Nvidia's GPUs... Yet many of those, dare I say the vast majority, work just as well as they do under Microsoft Windows-based operating systems.

Yes, Nvidia being secretive about their GPUs doesn't help the situation... But it is a very small cog in a very large machine.