Cyberpunk 2077 confirmed for Stadia on November 19

Quoting: Comandante Ñoñardo

Quoting: rustybroomhandleWish people would stop thinking that Stadia's tech is some huge mystery we have to speculate about. There is info on the web site and there have been very detailed talks by developers. Maybe a recap article that consolidates all of this stuff might help people get off this weird trip.

Nobody doubt that Stadia is Debian + Vulkan...

The doubts are if the big games are actually ported to Debian + Vulkan when they could be just Windows games running on Debian + Vulkan via Proton alike compatibility layer, being that the cheapest way according to the mentality of those big publishers.

Maybe Google is earning money using DXVK and the author doesn't even know it.

Also no doubt at all there. The talks from Bungie, ID etc talk about the porting process. They are native ports.

Quoting: rustybroomhandle

Quoting: Comandante Ñoñardo

Quoting: rustybroomhandleWish people would stop thinking that Stadia's tech is some huge mystery we have to speculate about. There is info on the web site and there have been very detailed talks by developers. Maybe a recap article that consolidates all of this stuff might help people get off this weird trip.

Nobody doubt that Stadia is Debian + Vulkan...

The doubts are if the big games are actually ported to Debian + Vulkan when they could be just Windows games running on Debian + Vulkan via Proton alike compatibility layer, being that the cheapest way according to the mentality of those big publishers.

Maybe Google is earning money using DXVK and the author doesn't even know it.

Also no doubt at all there. The talks from Bungie, ID etc talk about the porting process. They are native ports.

Start here:

https://youtu.be/cEQkPe-H05I

Quoting: rustybroomhandle

Quoting: rustybroomhandle

Quoting: Comandante Ñoñardo

Quoting: rustybroomhandleWish people would stop thinking that Stadia's tech is some huge mystery we have to speculate about. There is info on the web site and there have been very detailed talks by developers. Maybe a recap article that consolidates all of this stuff might help people get off this weird trip.

Nobody doubt that Stadia is Debian + Vulkan...

The doubts are if the big games are actually ported to Debian + Vulkan when they could be just Windows games running on Debian + Vulkan via Proton alike compatibility layer, being that the cheapest way according to the mentality of those big publishers.

Maybe Google is earning money using DXVK and the author doesn't even know it.

Also no doubt at all there. The talks from Bungie, ID etc talk about the porting process. They are native ports.

Start here:

https://youtu.be/cEQkPe-H05I

Well that's even more of a kick in the dick.

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: slaapliedjeMy guess has always been that it's just a massive virtualization platform that spins up a new VM instance whenever someone launches a game. That'd make far more sense than them porting Dx12 games over as quick as they have been.

Except it's not the case. Stadia is using Debian Linux + Vulkan. See here:

https://stadia.dev/intl/en_us/about/

Scroll down there and click "See Software Stack".

Huh, at this point I'm more interested as well into this...

QuoteCustom 2.7 GHz hyperthreaded x86 CPU with AVX2 SIMD and 9.5 MB L2+L3 cache

Custom AMD GPU with HBM2 memory and 56 compute units capable of 10.7 teraflops

16 GB of RAM with up to 484 GB/s of performance

How much cash did Google hand off to AMD for this? (I can only guess they're using AMD CPUs there too?)

Quoting: slaapliedjeHow much cash did Google hand off to AMD for this? (I can only guess they're using AMD CPUs there too?)

Hard to say, but Google has the money to pay as much as needed I'm sure. Yes, they are using AMD CPUs too.


Last edited by Shmerl on 18 October 2020 at 6:37 pm UTC

I rather wait to buy the game through Steam instead of giving cash to Google. At least Valve is doing things for Linux. And please don't bring up all contributions Google has done for Linux, as of yet there has been very little contributions from them for gaming. If they somehow have made things better on Linux it would seem like a side effect of tech they have used, like how they use Vulkan.

I'm not sure I'm going to buy the game any time soon. I'll wait for CDPR to make an effort to release the game for desktop Linux, or the game to go on a major sale on GOG first, to play it in Wine.

Quoting: GuestSo....running on a (mostly) GNU/Linux system remotely

And you know this how?
And if they change mind and put it on windows, you gonna know this how?

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: drjomstoo late but my 5 cents...
We should stop acknowledge Stadia's existence.
It's as much Linux gaming as some broadcasting of Playstation game on Android phone.

Would you prefer to stop acknowledging the Wine project as well then? After all, that's for running Windows software, and Windows gaming.

Honestly, would not mind.
Have very a few proton games.
If it disappeared - I would not be upset.

For people that don't like it, I urge you to just go and block the tag in your user settings. It's here, we're covering it, deal with it. Or, be like a reasonable adult and ignore what you don't like and are clearly not interested in. This constant back and forth is tiring.

Quoting: ShmerlI'm not sure I'm going to buy the game any time soon. I'll wait for CDPR to make an effort to release the game for desktop Linux, or the game to go on a major sale on GOG first, to play it in Wine.

I said things wrong. I will wait and see if CDPR implements Vulkan for Cyberpunk. If they do, then I will consider buying game early. If they don't, I will do as you and wait til major sale.

If CDPR does not include Vulkan for Cyberpunk or Witcher nextgen, then I will have no doubt anymore about them being hostile to Linux.

Quoting: LinuxwarperI rather wait to buy the game through Steam instead of giving cash to Google. At least Valve is doing things for Linux. And please don't bring up all contributions Google has done for Linux, as of yet there has been very little contributions from them for gaming. If they somehow have made things better on Linux it would seem like a side effect of tech they have used, like how they use Vulkan.

Totally agree with this, but I still want Stadia to succeed anyway. Because if it does, it could convince more companies to choose Vulkan over DX12 in the first place, as they would have near to no trouble porting their stuff to Stadia. Linux users would benefit from Vulkan, even if there would be no Linux version at all. And I don't like the idea of MS dominating the graphics api market again...

I really hope CDPR already regrets being tied to DX12, especially now against the background of their crunch time.

Quoting: FrawoTotally agree with this, but I still want Stadia to succeed anyway. Because if it does, it could convince more companies to choose Vulkan over DX12 in the first place, as they would have near to no trouble porting their stuff to Stadia. Linux users would benefit from Vulkan, even if there would be no Linux version at all. And I don't like the idea of MS dominating the graphics api market again...

I really hope CDPR already regrets being tied to DX12, especially now against the background of their crunch time.

What if Stadia's success turns to dominance, and Google makes streaming exclusive deals? Then you would be trading in one evil with another. I wouldn't worry much about Microsoft dominating, Valve seems to be committed to improving gaming on Linux. They are not only improving Proton (DX11/DX12 games) but they are also providing VR support. I hear the VR support isn't perfect, but neither was Proton either if you look back to when it all began.

I wouldn't judge CDPR so harshly. Crunch or no crunch at least their game practices are largely good. Where as other companies I bet do crunch on top of filling their games with ads, drm, micro transaction and other awful things. We will see what kind of company CDPR truly is with Cyberpunk and Witcher nextgen. But whatever they do, hateful or angry posts will never help to change the situation.

Quoting: Linuxwarper

Quoting: FrawoTotally agree with this, but I still want Stadia to succeed anyway. Because if it does, it could convince more companies to choose Vulkan over DX12 in the first place, as they would have near to no trouble porting their stuff to Stadia. Linux users would benefit from Vulkan, even if there would be no Linux version at all. And I don't like the idea of MS dominating the graphics api market again...

I really hope CDPR already regrets being tied to DX12, especially now against the background of their crunch time.

What if Stadia's success turns to dominance, and Google makes streaming exclusive deals? Then you would be trading in one evil with another. I wouldn't worry much about Microsoft dominating, Valve seems to be committed to improving gaming on Linux. They are not only improving Proton (DX11/DX12 games) but they are also providing VR support. I hear the VR support isn't perfect, but neither was Proton either if you look back to when it all began.

I wouldn't judge CDPR so harshly. Crunch or no crunch at least their game practices are largely good. Where as other companies I bet do crunch on top of filling their games with ads, drm, micro transaction and other awful things. We will see what kind of company CDPR truly is with Cyberpunk and Witcher nextgen. But whatever they do, hateful or angry posts will never help to change the situation.

You know what is a crazy thought?

Look at where we are now and where we were 8 years ago, pre-steam on Linux... we had a couple attempts at porting houses that had disappeared, and we had open source games and engine recreations. That was about it. MS putting fear into Valve pretty much have given us so many games I couldn't keep up, and I tried for a while!

With proton and the HUGE advances Wine has made, it is almost seemless and so many of us can just ditch Windows now. But I can't help but think that Google with Stadia should be helping us out here... like they should make it part of the deal that the port is to be released on desktop Linux at 6 months or a year later. As it is though they basically are exclusives for a platform I will never own.

Quoting: slaapliedjeBut I can't help but think that Google with Stadia should be helping us out here... like they should make it part of the deal that the port is to be released on desktop Linux at 6 months or a year later. As it is though they basically are exclusives for a platform I will never own.

My thought exactly. Google could do a lot more to change the situation. But they aren't interested.


Last edited by Shmerl on 20 October 2020 at 2:35 am UTC

I think the expectations of companies porting to Linux is somewhat unreasonable in general. If a company does so, goes through major work to provide a quality release where they target Ubuntu, and then the return on investment is low - why should they? And the assertion that "Indies can manage to make games for many distros why can't big companies???!" is such cloudy argument. Indies are small games with simple design that are easy to scale to Linux. Where as when you are developing a major game like AC Valhala or Cyberpunk, even representing cars in the game becomes a huge project in itself. You have tech like DLSS and raytracing. If big games were so easily and cost effective to release for Linux as indies are, then you would surely have seen raytracing for many if not all indie games. And I am not talking about "We have raytracing", I am talking about shadows, global illumination and reflections.

Quite honestly such argument is nonsense. Looking at a indie game being available on Linux and then asking why big games can't be either. I don't know it all, but one thing I know I should expect from developers it is to provide Vulkan renderer and get involved with Proton issues for their games. If a company decides to port their games, then find out the business isn't there for them then they will give up on Linux in a sour way. I hope Proton will increase marketshare and raise awareness so that Linux gets to that point that more games will be worth it.

It may be a unpopular opinion, but tell me friends..where is that Metro Exodus port we were told would come? If major games like it are so profitable on Linux, why are they so few and far in between? I feel like by time a new major game is released for Linux (year or years later) the Windows version should be very playable through Proton and cost much less ($10 vs $50+).

It's not nonsense because you need to compare resources, not just the amount of work. Small developers have less of them than big companies. So it's a bigger risk for them because of that alone. It's harder to make profit for small developers. Yet they are the ones releasing for Linux, not the huge ones who are making way more money and have more resources for it.

Besides, the work and expenses point was addressed above. They already have invested needed effort and spent the money to make it work on Stadia,


Last edited by Shmerl on 21 October 2020 at 4:29 pm UTC

Quoting: LinuxwarperI think the expectations of companies porting to Linux is somewhat unreasonable in general. If a company does so, goes through major work to provide a quality release where they target Ubuntu, and then the return on investment is low - why should they? And the assertion that "Indies can manage to make games for many distros why can't big companies???!" is such cloudy argument. Indies are small games with simple design that are easy to scale to Linux. Where as when you are developing a major game like AC Valhala or Cyberpunk, even representing cars in the game becomes a huge project in itself. You have tech like DLSS and raytracing. If big games were so easily and cost effective to release for Linux as indies are, then you would surely have seen raytracing for many if not all indie games. And I am not talking about "We have raytracing", I am talking about shadows, global illumination and reflections.

Quite honestly such argument is nonsense. Looking at a indie game being available on Linux and then asking why big games can't be either. I don't know it all, but one thing I know I should expect from developers it is to provide Vulkan renderer and get involved with Proton issues for their games. If a company decides to port their games, then find out the business isn't there for them then they will give up on Linux in a sour way. I hope Proton will increase marketshare and raise awareness so that Linux gets to that point that more games will be worth it.

It may be a unpopular opinion, but tell me friends..where is that Metro Exodus port we were told would come? If major games like it are so profitable on Linux, why are they so few and far in between? I feel like by time a new major game is released for Linux (year or years later) the Windows version should be very playable through Proton and cost much less ($10 vs $50+).

I was wondering about Exodus the other day. In the discussion forums on Steam it sounds like they're still working on it? But I mean it's been on Stadia since forever.. so if the theory is it's just a direct thing to release a game on Stadia onto Steam with Linux support... maybe that's the one that proves it's not the case?

Sadly a lot of the 'do we port to Linux' is politically based more than financially based. Like Doom (2016) literally having a Linux port made for fun, but was never published / released.

Quoting: slaapliedjeSadly a lot of the 'do we port to Linux' is politically based more than financially based.

Yes, there is a lot of it. That's what I called above platform politics.

Quoting: ShmerlIt's not nonsense because you need to compare resources, not just the amount of work. Small developers have less of them than big companies. So it's a bigger risk for them because of that alone. It's harder to make profit for small developers. Yet they are the ones releasing for Linux, not the huge ones who are making way more money and have more resources for it.

A factor in that regard is the engine. That indies can easily create crossplatform solutions is, most of the time, related to the fact that they use the most popular engines around (i.e. Unity or Unreal 4) with not too many third party dependencies. So even when you can't compare resources between an indie and a AAA company you normally can expect that the indie may have an easier path in order to get the Linux build as most of the cross platform work is already done by the big companies behind those engines (unless there is a bug in the engine... which will end up being fixed by the engine company or with a workaround).

I think that you're missing the picture regarding the ROI concept. IMO, in most cases getting profits from a Linux release is not a big issue as a crossplatform solution for your game is not such a big deal as it used to be 10 years ago. The problem is that for a $X inversion for a Linux release they will probably get a ROI that is well below the ROI that what the publisher would get if they invest that same $X in some extra feature for your game (a.k.a. DLC).