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If it wasn't for Unity being the current industry standard, I would love to spend some time with Defold and Godot as well 😢


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Quoting: hardpenguinIf it wasn't for Unity being the current industry standard, I would love to spend some time with Defold and Godot as well 😢

If we go by marketshare Windows is the standard of consumer operating systems yet here we all are using Linux. You should use what you want to use regardless of what the lemmings are telling you to use.

Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: hardpenguinIf it wasn't for Unity being the current industry standard, I would love to spend some time with Defold and Godot as well 😢

If we go by marketshare Windows is the standard of consumer operating systems yet here we all are using Linux. You should use what you want to use regardless of what the lemmings are telling you to use.

I would interpret the original quote more in the direction of "If I am looking to work at a studio, they're more likely to want Unity experience than Godot or Defold". Which is probably true.
If you're a one-(wo)man studio you're obviously right. I looked at Unity and couldn't wrap my head around how art-centric its processes are. Godot is much more up my alley (and I don't have to read a novel-length Terms of Usage document either), so that's what I am using.

Quoting: KimyrielleI would interpret the original quote more in the direction of "If I am looking to work at a studio, they're more likely to want Unity experience than Godot or Defold".

Correct!

Quoting: PublicNuisanceIf we go by marketshare Windows is the standard of consumer operating systems yet here we all are using Linux. You should use what you want to use regardless of what the lemmings are telling you to use.

Luckily enough, the fact that I do not run Windows on any computer I own has not been a problem in finding a job so far :P

Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: hardpenguinIf it wasn't for Unity being the current industry standard, I would love to spend some time with Defold and Godot as well 😢

If we go by marketshare Windows is the standard of consumer operating systems yet here we all are using Linux. You should use what you want to use regardless of what the lemmings are telling you to use.

Unity is also supported on Linux ,so... , why is that a bad thing?
I wish Godot would focus more on the 3D part and on the Vulkan api.

I am currently working on a crossplatformed 3D game in Unity with vulkan.
Wish Godot would have been more developed since I encountered a lot of problems in Unity , and a lot of "reverse engineer" to actually realise how the engine developers wanted to use their engine.

Not to mention that everything in Unity is now like a beta, even the asset store , since they developed multiple pipelines 90% of the assets work only on 1 pipeline and not the others so it's a hit or miss.
Shaders that only work for one pipeline and not the others etc.
And now? They want to remove the Built in Render Pipeline , they already modified the lwrp to urp , and the hdrp is a complete mess , basically breaking the hard work of many people.
Sure you can still use them but they have no future.

All of that and still, sadly , it doesn't come close to the lack of features that Godot has.
Waiting for the future development of Godot.

Quoting: Icefinity

Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: hardpenguinIf it wasn't for Unity being the current industry standard, I would love to spend some time with Defold and Godot as well 😢

If we go by marketshare Windows is the standard of consumer operating systems yet here we all are using Linux. You should use what you want to use regardless of what the lemmings are telling you to use.

Unity is also supported on Linux ,so... , why is that a bad thing?
I wish Godot would focus more on the 3D part and on the Vulkan api.

I am currently working on a crossplatformed 3D game in Unity with vulkan.
Wish Godot would have been more developed since I encountered a lot of problems in Unity , and a lot of "reverse engineer" to actually realise how the engine developers wanted to use their engine.

Not to mention that everything in Unity is now like a beta, even the asset store , since they developed multiple pipelines 90% of the assets work only on 1 pipeline and not the others so it's a hit or miss.
Shaders that only work for one pipeline and not the others etc.
And now? They want to remove the Built in Render Pipeline , they already modified the lwrp to urp , and the hdrp is a complete mess , basically breaking the hard work of many people.
Sure you can still use them but they have no future.

All of that and still, sadly , it doesn't come close to the lack of features that Godot has.
Waiting for the future development of Godot.

Godot is open source and Unity is not. That is my main reason. Bugs have a better chance of getting fixed and features of getting added in open source software. Whatever you think Godot lacks over Unity you could literally add if you were so inclined. Whatever Unity may lack you can't just make it yourself as easily.

Quoting: Kimyrielle

Quoting: PublicNuisance

Quoting: hardpenguinIf it wasn't for Unity being the current industry standard, I would love to spend some time with Defold and Godot as well 😢

If we go by marketshare Windows is the standard of consumer operating systems yet here we all are using Linux. You should use what you want to use regardless of what the lemmings are telling you to use.

I would interpret the original quote more in the direction of "If I am looking to work at a studio, they're more likely to want Unity experience than Godot or Defold". Which is probably true.
If you're a one-(wo)man studio you're obviously right. I looked at Unity and couldn't wrap my head around how art-centric its processes are. Godot is much more up my alley (and I don't have to read a novel-length Terms of Usage document either), so that's what I am using.

What do you mean by art-centric?

I was thinking about toying with a game engine and Godot immediately comes to mind but I totally forgot about Unity.

Quoting: PublicNuisanceGodot is open source and Unity is not. That is my main reason.

I 100% agree and it's the reason I still use Linux Mint at this day , BUT , when it comes to development , nothing matters more than productivity , and on this point Godot is way behind Unreal , Unity or CryEngine.

Quoting: PublicNuisanceBugs have a better chance of getting fixed and features of getting added in open source software.

Yes that is theoretically true.
The problem is that most devs don't want to invest time on most open source projects (Godot included).
Godot team are barelly getting 15k$ out of patreon donations per month while Unity made last year over 750 million $.
Even if Unity would invest only 1% of that money back in development they would still have waaaay more and eager devs working on the engine.

Quoting: PublicNuisanceWhatever you think Godot lacks over Unity you could literally add if you were so inclined. Whatever Unity may lack you can't just make it yourself as easily.

It lacks vulkan. At least a stable variant.
It lacks visual quality.
It lacks simplicity and optimization.
In unreal you can decimate your meshes automatically in the editor and use them as LODs , same in unity with some assets , can even create fake clones after them (impostors) that look the same but have under 10 vertices.
Imagine having 10.000 trees with 25k verts each and having impostors of them.
The original 10.000 trees would make 250.000.000 verts while the impostors look the same and would make only 100.000 verts.
The performance gain is incredible and it's how both Unreal and Unity make far away objects look realistic while keeping the performance high and having huge number of objects consisting of grass,trees etc.
Such features are reliant on shaders.
You can't make shaders like that on Godot especially since they will remove all the current api sooner or later and change to vulkan , making your strugle useless.

(I suggest you look at the Unreal Engine 5 demo in which you will see performance and quality (8k textures , with over a billion triangles each frame and you get better performance than you get in Godot with 50 objects with 2048 textures and 1m triangles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC5KtatMcUw

At the end of the day Godot is decent-ish for 2d games but they need a lot of effort to come close to the Big 3 (Unreal,Unity,CryEngine).

But I do wish that Godot one day will be the best since their philosophy is what matters.

Quoting: IcefinityBut I do wish that Godot one day will be the best since their philosophy is what matters.

You wish it to be true but what are you doing to try to make it happen ? Are you making games using Godot ? Are you donating money to Godot ? Are you contributing code to Godot ? Are you helping with documentation ? Are you making turorials for others to help them use Godot ? I'm not trying to shame you but it is a self fulfilling prophecy that Godot won't have the things you want if you don't do anything to help it get there. I give them $5 a month. I try to play and review games that use Godot as well as try to point out bugs or issues to developers. Are these groundbreaking things ? Nope but I want Godot to succeed and I do what little I can to help it along. If I'm wrong and you do indeed contribute in some way to Godot then so be it, i'll eat crow and will be happy you are helping.

I remember I use to have the attitude that I would leave Windows for Linux when it got just right for gaming but then realized that if I was doing nothing to help it get to where I wanted it would forever never be good enough. Sometimes you have to be the change you want to see.


Last edited by PublicNuisance on 7 February 2021 at 8:15 am UTC