Plasma 5.21 rolls out as one of the best looking Linux desktops available

Quoting: tuubiTo be fair, the Gnome calculator is just Calculator, and Galculator is an unrelated project. But yeah, the name is silly.

I did not know that. Thanks for the info. I guess I'm a little biased into believing every app that starts with a K or G is one of thier projects ( I see you trying to sneak away there too, Q).

Quoting: Grimfist

Quoting: CatKillerYou don't need to run Kate with sudo. If you really must, you can do the sensible thing and use sudoedit, but Kate will prompt for authorisation when saving a privileged file when run as a normal user anyway.

Not having an easy solution for privileged use of Dolphin is a pain: some file management tasks, particularly as a new user, are much less error-prone when done in a graphical file browser. But you wouldn't have been using sudo with Dolphin in the old days anyway: it would have been kdesu.

Finally someone with a brain, thank you!
Instead of complaining that KDE forbids running some apps as root, read up why and how to do privileged actions in those apps...

I'm well read on why they did it, and I still believe it to be a monumentally poor decision. Indeed, if you have to "read up on why" or research "how to do privileged actions in those apps", the KDE devs have failed.

Indeed, I don't use KDE because of it. The only way I could feasibly set up my computers in KDE is to install replacements for Kate and Dolphin - two of the more core applications to the whole KDE experience. So, nah.

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: Grimfist

Quoting: CatKillerYou don't need to run Kate with sudo. If you really must, you can do the sensible thing and use sudoedit, but Kate will prompt for authorisation when saving a privileged file when run as a normal user anyway.

Not having an easy solution for privileged use of Dolphin is a pain: some file management tasks, particularly as a new user, are much less error-prone when done in a graphical file browser. But you wouldn't have been using sudo with Dolphin in the old days anyway: it would have been kdesu.

Finally someone with a brain, thank you!
Instead of complaining that KDE forbids running some apps as root, read up why and how to do privileged actions in those apps...

I'm well read on why they did it, and I still believe it to be a monumentally poor decision. Indeed, if you have to "read up on why" or research "how to do privileged actions in those apps", the KDE devs have failed.

Indeed, I don't use KDE because of it. The only way I could feasibly set up my computers in KDE is to install replacements for Kate and Dolphin - two of the more core applications to the whole KDE experience. So, nah.

Now I am curious, what is it why you need to run Kate as root? To edit restricted files? Or is pressing save and then entering your password to complex?

Quoting: Grimfist

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: Grimfist

Quoting: CatKillerYou don't need to run Kate with sudo. If you really must, you can do the sensible thing and use sudoedit, but Kate will prompt for authorisation when saving a privileged file when run as a normal user anyway.

Not having an easy solution for privileged use of Dolphin is a pain: some file management tasks, particularly as a new user, are much less error-prone when done in a graphical file browser. But you wouldn't have been using sudo with Dolphin in the old days anyway: it would have been kdesu.

Finally someone with a brain, thank you!
Instead of complaining that KDE forbids running some apps as root, read up why and how to do privileged actions in those apps...

I'm well read on why they did it, and I still believe it to be a monumentally poor decision. Indeed, if you have to "read up on why" or research "how to do privileged actions in those apps", the KDE devs have failed.

Indeed, I don't use KDE because of it. The only way I could feasibly set up my computers in KDE is to install replacements for Kate and Dolphin - two of the more core applications to the whole KDE experience. So, nah.

Now I am curious, what is it why you need to run Kate as root? To edit restricted files? Or is pressing save and then entering your password to complex?

Last I used Kate (to edit /etc/autofs entries for mapped drives) was about 18 months ago and there was no such facility of prompting for a password when saving to a protected area. But then, that's irrelevant in my use case, because I was editing files that area, not creating them... but I couldn't run Dolphin as root either, and since those files are 600 permissioned, nothing except root can read them.

So yeah, I needed to run those apps as root. However, now that they've added root detection, instead of running, they simply say "This cannot be run as root", and exit. Maybe they've improved the situation by now? Who knows. All I know is that it was (and probably still is) a poorly designed restriction that pissed me off, and still does whenever I bother to try KDE again.

I mean, how stupid a decision is it really? That I had to install Thunar AND geany, just so I could make a single line edit to my file, the way I've done so for years, and the way that I can do so on every other desktop environment available? That's... pretty stupid, I reckon.

But you seem to think this is cool - that's fine. Use KDE, and enjoy its dubious protections. I just can't be bothered with security through obscurity. This accomplishes very little and just gets in the way (of my workflow, at least). I own my machine - I have "sovereignty" of it. But when I run KDE... apparently not. Apparently it knows better?

Nah. That's not for me. That's not a mindset I agree with.

Quoting: scaineI mean, how stupid a decision is it really? That I had to install Thunar AND geany, just so I could make a single line edit to my file, the way I've done so for years, and the way that I can do so on every other desktop environment available? That's... pretty stupid, I reckon.

On KDE Plasma on can install Konqueror in under a minute. By the way, it's a really awesome Midnight Commander, twin pane file manager (and more).

QuoteKonqueror is KDE's Webbrowser and swiss-army-knife for any kind of file-management and file previewing.

Features:

Webbrowsing using KHTML or KDEWebKit as rendering engines
File management using most of Dolphin's features (including version-control, service menus and the basic UI)
File management on ftp and sftp servers
Full featured FTP-client (you can split views to display local and remote folders and previews in the same window)
Embedded applications to preview files (e.g. Okular and Calligra for documents, Gwenview for pictures, KTextEditor for text-files)
Different kinds of plugins: Service-menus, KParts (embedded applications), KIO (accessing files using special protocols like http or ftp) and KPart-plugins (like AdBlocker...)

Quoting: ronnoc

Quoting: scaineI mean, how stupid a decision is it really? That I had to install Thunar AND geany, just so I could make a single line edit to my file, the way I've done so for years, and the way that I can do so on every other desktop environment available? That's... pretty stupid, I reckon.

On KDE Plasma on can install Konqueror in under a minute. By the way, it's a really awesome Midnight Commander, twin pane file manager (and more).

QuoteKonqueror is KDE's Webbrowser and swiss-army-knife for any kind of file-management and file previewing.

Features:

Webbrowsing using KHTML or KDEWebKit as rendering engines
File management using most of Dolphin's features (including version-control, service menus and the basic UI)
File management on ftp and sftp servers
Full featured FTP-client (you can split views to display local and remote folders and previews in the same window)
Embedded applications to preview files (e.g. Okular and Calligra for documents, Gwenview for pictures, KTextEditor for text-files)
Different kinds of plugins: Service-menus, KParts (embedded applications), KIO (accessing files using special protocols like http or ftp) and KPart-plugins (like AdBlocker...)

Someone further up also mentioned Krusader, too! I'm not actually a huge fan of split-pane file explorers, but I do prefer file explorers which offer the facility if required. I tend to replace Nautilus, with its fork, Nemo, for that very reason. Nautilus patched out F3, whereas Nemo keeps it available. Very handy for when you have multiple file copies to perform.

I did give KDE another few hours of airtime on my laptop, via Endeavour O/S, a few days ago. However, I quickly ditched it - more a reflection on Endeavour than KDE though. I get why Liam like Endeavour, but at its core, it's still Arch, and needs soooo much more work for basic things. I went on to try Elementary OS, but was put off by how custom everything felt. That and the fact that they really push the paid apps at you in their store. Which is kind of awesome really, but it's little in your face. I jumped ship to Pop OS, which I'm continuing to run now, day three. It's okay, but Gnome Shell is generally such a gigantic step back in functionality. I'm not sure I can stand it. I'm going to persevere for a few weeks at least, however, before deciding whether to reformat back to Mint. Give it a chance to win me over.

Quoting: scaineSomeone further up also mentioned Krusader, too! I'm not actually a huge fan of split-pane file explorers, but I do prefer file explorers which offer the facility if required. I tend to replace Nautilus, with its fork, Nemo, for that very reason. Nautilus patched out F3, whereas Nemo keeps it available. Very handy for when you have multiple file copies to perform.

Caja on Mate also has that option.