Valve are yet again hitting the spotlight for the wrong reasons following the ruling from the EU Commission over geo-blocking, a lawsuit involving game pricing and now the Steam Controller too.
The lawsuit involved Ironburg Inventions (a subsidiary of Corsair Gaming), who have a patent for a game controller that has back paddles and they've held the patent since 2014. According to the press release, Valve lost the case and so "the jury unanimously found that Valve Corp infringed Ironburg’s 8,641,525 controller patent and awarded Ironburg over $4 million" additionally Valve were apparently aware of it and so the infringement was "willful". Due to this, there's a potential for "enhanced damages up to the statutory limit of treble damages" so the $4 million figure is only the beginning.
Any company that wishes to have back paddles, are then required to license the tech from Ironburg Inventions Ltd which is exactly what Microsoft does for their special Xbox Elite Controller.
The Steam Controller (sadly) was discontinued back in 2019. It was my favourite controller, and I still hope they bring out a proper second generation. Perhaps this was a big supporting reason for why they no longer continued with it? Probably not though, since they're now into VR hardware instead where there's likely a lot more monies.
If they do a second generation, perhaps they will be a little bit more careful with licensing next time and I will still happily be first in line if they do another.
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Another demonstration of how broken the patent system is. There nothing in that patent that isn't entirely trivial. Basically "let's put a button where an unused finger rests". I'm surprised that Valve's lawyers didn't manage to get this thrown out because I highly doubt that this is original.
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Patent systems are very broken and need to be abolished.
For anyone interested, here's the book, where they show that in most fields (except chemistry/pharma), patents don't even work as they should according to the patent system itself. https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.27.1.3
For anyone interested, here's the book, where they show that in most fields (except chemistry/pharma), patents don't even work as they should according to the patent system itself. https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.27.1.3
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What a dumb patent. Adding Corsair to my list of companies to actively avoid.
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Hahahaha... wait, you are serious?
No wonder Valve lost the case. They probably thought it was a joke too.
No wonder Valve lost the case. They probably thought it was a joke too.
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noderunner Feb 3, 2021
I was wondering why no one but Valve and Microsoft made paddles.
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And the back-paddle buttons are probably the most useless part of the Steam controller anyways...
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FutureSuture Feb 3, 2021
SCUF are scum. Good job with hampering innovation in the industry. Looking forward to seeing the same generic controllers for another decade.
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Arehandoro Feb 3, 2021
And the back-paddle buttons are probably the most useless part of the Steam controller anyways...
I profoundly hate them. Usually, they're to be forgotten until in the heat of action, pressing a trigger, my pinky does a reaction and there you go, jumping like a maniac in the middle of a bullet frenzy exchange. I can recall the Tomb Raider games specifically on these.
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TheRiddick Feb 3, 2021
can't even buy the damn thing anymore.
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Arehandoro Feb 3, 2021
Patent systems are very broken and need to be abolished.
For anyone interested, here's the book, where they show that in most fields (except chemistry/pharma), patents don't even work as they should according to the patent system itself. https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.27.1.3
In chemistry and pharma aren't working either. The fact that a lab creates a vaccine and is not immediately available for every other lab to palliate with a disease, whether that is a solving erectile dysfunction or a pandemic, but rather they can prevent others from doing the same, or getting rich by leasing the patent, is utterly annoying. It could only come from the mind of a psychopath.
A bit more in topic, the years when innovations, economic boost, etc had their peak in most advanced countries is when patents were least overlooked. I read an article in theconversation.com that explained this better than me, with special mention to China, but can't find it
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FutureSuture Feb 3, 2021
I am surprised to see two negative comments regarding the Steam Controller's back buttons here. I love them. Not only can they be assigned unique button mappings i.e. not just the buttons available on the controller like it is with other controllers, but they can be used for mode shifting too. Back buttons should be the standard on all controllers!
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Another demonstration of how broken the patent system is. There nothing in that patent that isn't entirely trivial. Basically "let's put a button where an unused finger rests". I'm surprised that Valve's lawyers didn't manage to get this thrown out because I highly doubt that this is original.Also the paddles on a Steam Controller is actually a single battery compartment cover that doubles as clickable buttons. The controller would still be 100% functional if you remove/break/throw away the cover. Also it is replaceable, which the patent does not say anything about.
I am really surprised all this was not enough to consider it sufficiently different, but a trivial button placement was enough to be patent-worthy. Either their lawyers are completely incompetent, or they simply consider it cheaper to not pursue this further.
Last edited by Linas on 3 February 2021 at 12:31 pm UTC
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And the back-paddle buttons are probably the most useless part of the Steam controller anyways...They may feel this way to you, but I feel the total opposite.
For me they are the best feature, along ofc with the right pad and the gyro. Whenever I use another controller it feels totally crippled in my hands without them.
Edit: And also I'm bummed that the 4-back buttons version of the SC didn't materialized.
Last edited by dubigrasu on 3 February 2021 at 12:34 pm UTC
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Dribbleondo Feb 3, 2021
In this comment section: "It's corsair and the patent offices fault! Valve did nothing wrong!"
Patents like the one Corsair Gaming holds are legitimate because Paddles on a normal controller hadn't been done before, and it's pretty reasonable for them to patent that kind of design functionality. Patent fraud only really applies to stuff that is insanely generic, or impossible to make, neither of which qualifies this paddles patent. It's no different to patenting a specific controller design.
Valve are not your friends, please stop trying to blame literally everyone but the company doing the wrong.
Patents like the one Corsair Gaming holds are legitimate because Paddles on a normal controller hadn't been done before, and it's pretty reasonable for them to patent that kind of design functionality. Patent fraud only really applies to stuff that is insanely generic, or impossible to make, neither of which qualifies this paddles patent. It's no different to patenting a specific controller design.
Valve are not your friends, please stop trying to blame literally everyone but the company doing the wrong.
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FutureSuture Feb 3, 2021
In this comment section: "It's corsair and the patent offices fault! Valve did nothing wrong!"Negatory. Back buttons have been done before. It is completely unreasonable to patent a "feature" like this that is so breathtakingly banal.
Patents like the one Corsair Gaming holds are legitimate because Paddles on a normal controller hadn't been done before, and it's pretty reasonable for them to patent that kind of design functionality. Patent fraud only really applies to stuff that is insanely generic, or impossible to make, neither of which qualifies this paddles patent. It's no different to patenting a specific controller design.
Valve are not your friends, please stop trying to blame literally everyone but the company doing the wrong.
SCUF are not your friends. Please stop trying to blame literally everyone but the company doing the wrong.
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In this comment section: "It's corsair and the patent offices fault! Valve did nothing wrong!"
Patents like the one Corsair Gaming holds are legitimate because Paddles on a normal controller hadn't been done before, and it's pretty reasonable for them to patent that kind of design functionality. Patent fraud only really applies to stuff that is insanely generic, or impossible to make, neither of which qualifies this paddles patent. It's no different to patenting a specific controller design.
Valve are not your friends, please stop trying to blame literally everyone but the company doing the wrong.
It's not about which company is behind what. The patent is a joke.
We are talking about button placement. Not months of R&D work and thousands of hours honing something out. It's only "put button there", worth: 4 million.
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Valve used a different entities IP for thier own uses?!?!
Color me shocked!!!!
Color me shocked!!!!
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Mohandevir Feb 3, 2021
And the back-paddle buttons are probably the most useless part of the Steam controller anyways...
So true... In all games I turn them off because I keep unwillingly activating them... It's usefull for racing games (paddle shift), else, it's quite useless, for my part too.
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I have to admit, however much I loved the look and idea of the Steam controller, I quite soon after returned to my Logitech controller again with the classic controller setup.
There's just something about a physical stick that can't be replaced with a touchpad.
There's just something about a physical stick that can't be replaced with a touchpad.
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Mohandevir Feb 3, 2021
I have to admit, however much I loved the look and idea of the Steam controller, I quite soon after returned to my Logitech controller again with the classic controller setup.
There's just something about a physical stick that can't be replaced with a touchpad.
It was great when there was a trackpad alternative... I still feel the exact opposite, even though I tried the Xbox one, PS4 and Nvidia Shield controllers. I always come back to my Steam Controller like old comfy slippers, even if I can admit that it's not perfect for all tasks, just like any controller, in fact.
Last edited by Mohandevir on 3 February 2021 at 2:31 pm UTC
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