Ubuntu 21.04 is out now with Wayland by default and a new dark theme

I didn't follow closely, but I'm surprised they've made the switch to default to Wayland.
I guess they wouldn't have done the same for an LTS version...?

Quoting: EikeI didn't follow closely, but I'm surprised they've made the switch to default to Wayland.
I guess they wouldn't have done the same for an LTS version...?

They've already missed several LTS "deadlines" for Wayland as default. I suppose they really didn't want to miss 22.04, so they had to start now.

Still not really seeing myself going to Wayland though (even when nvidia support is included in the near future). I need flawless support for G-Sync and VR for that to happen.

QuoteAn enterprise partnership with Microsoft, to bring native Microsoft Active Directory integration with the support for Microsoft SQL server, deployed on-prem or through the Azure Marketplace
An Active Directory, to help developers manage workstations through configure system settings, directly from an AD domain controller

Now I just need to convince my org's head of security that I should be able to use Ubuntu instead of Win 10...

Quoting: EikeI didn't follow closely, but I'm surprised they've made the switch to default to Wayland.
I guess they wouldn't have done the same for an LTS version...?

It's not the first time; one of the previous interim releases tested it on a different LTS cycle, but it wasn't ready then. If there's been sufficient work done so that everything works, they'll keep it, otherwise they'll switch back to X again for the next release and try again another time.

Edit: just checked, and it was 17.10 when they tested it before, the release that discontinued Unity.


Last edited by CatKiller on 22 April 2021 at 3:03 pm UTC

Should be interesting to see how this goes.

Looking forward to updating my ThinkPad laptop to the release rather than the beta, although I've actually had very few problems with the beta. Hopefully, the enterprise partnership will bring more advances with WSL as a side effect.

Quoting: SwitchesShould be interesting to see how this goes.

Looking forward to updating my ThinkPad laptop to the release rather than the beta, although I've actually had very few problems with the beta. Hopefully, the enterprise partnership will bring more advances with WSL as a side effect.

You are already on the release if you installed the beta. Its the same repositories, so just keep on doing normal updates as they come along.

If Ubuntu adopt Wayland as default in the next lts, this will be huge for proprietary software to start support too.

I'm personally waiting for Anydesk to support it.

Quoting: Bladeforce"An enterprise partnership with Microsoft.."
Enough reason to not use it

Sadly, this is what gets it onto corporate desktops instead of something like Redhat Workstation.... better integration with AD is basically the thing that has held it back for a long long time. Got to be able to let CIT log in and do things to your laptop remotely, right???

This release for me is actually more about getting a new release of Pop_OS! As that's the variant I prefer. Though the issue I have with this release is they decided to go against their original plans to always have the latest Gnome (again) and are not installing 40. Oh well.

The release notes are here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221

Quoting: slaapliedjeThough the issue I have with this release is they decided to go against their original plans to always have the latest Gnome (again) and are not installing 40. Oh well.

I think it's probably because the new gnome release broke a lot of extensions, so it'll take some time to update that.

I think they'll implement GNOME 40 in 21.10 to test if it'll be ready for the 22.04

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Bladeforce"An enterprise partnership with Microsoft.."
Enough reason to not use it

Sadly, this is what gets it onto corporate desktops instead of something like Redhat Workstation.... better integration with AD is basically the thing that has held it back for a long long time. Got to be able to let CIT log in and do things to your laptop remotely, right???

The blog post is actually about two different things, notice this at the start

QuoteToday, Canonical released Ubuntu 21.04 with native Microsoft Active Directory integration, Wayland graphics by default, and a Flutter application development SDK. Separately, Canonical and Microsoft announced performance optimization and joint support for Microsoft SQL Server on Ubuntu.

And then they do not clearly distinguish in the following text which is about what. Typical marketing text.

I could be wrong but the joint support is for Microsoft SQL server for 20.04 LTS, while the AD integration from the installer is for 21.04

For the discussion about 21.04 its better to go from the release notes in my opinion. The release announcement the blog post refers to without linking to it is out now to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2021-April/000268.html

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Bladeforce"An enterprise partnership with Microsoft.."
Enough reason to not use it

Sadly, this is what gets it onto corporate desktops instead of something like Redhat Workstation.... better integration with AD is basically the thing that has held it back for a long long time. Got to be able to let CIT log in and do things to your laptop remotely, right???

This release for me is actually more about getting a new release of Pop_OS! As that's the variant I prefer. Though the issue I have with this release is they decided to go against their original plans to always have the latest Gnome (again) and are not installing 40. Oh well.

Actually AD integration has been available for Fedora and RHEL for a while through Fleet Commander - https://fleet-commander.org/

Quoting: uraeus

Not to mention that AD integration can be achieved on any distribution with realmd and sssd. It all depends on what level of abstraction you'd like.

At work I deploy (the linux side of) our dual boot Windows 10/Ubuntu workstations that are AD domain-joined with realmd during installation (computer name has to be different for the "two" computer objects). Our Red Hat workstations simply use AD for kerberos authentication and are not joined to the domain.

Quoting: uraeus

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Bladeforce"An enterprise partnership with Microsoft.."
Enough reason to not use it

Sadly, this is what gets it onto corporate desktops instead of something like Redhat Workstation.... better integration with AD is basically the thing that has held it back for a long long time. Got to be able to let CIT log in and do things to your laptop remotely, right???

This release for me is actually more about getting a new release of Pop_OS! As that's the variant I prefer. Though the issue I have with this release is they decided to go against their original plans to always have the latest Gnome (again) and are not installing 40. Oh well.

Actually AD integration has been available for Fedora and RHEL for a while through Fleet Commander - https://fleet-commander.org/

Setting up Active Directory / LDAP logins has been supported in Redhat based distributions for a LONG time. I want to say since 4 or 5 is when I first saw it? It's been many years. Though I don't think they made any particular deal with MS to get that.

I think the new thing here really is better integration overall with AD (controlled via group policies). Funny thing about this, is it probably still uses newer Samba. Which can't be done on Apple computers, as they hate GPLv3.

Quoting: drlamb

Quoting: uraeus

Not to mention that AD integration can be achieved on any distribution with realmd and sssd. It all depends on what level of abstraction you'd like.

At work I deploy (the linux side of) our dual boot Windows 10/Ubuntu workstations that are AD domain-joined with realmd during installation (computer name has to be different for the "two" computer objects). Our Red Hat workstations simply use AD for kerberos authentication and are not joined to the domain.

We have strong hatred for sssd... though I know that's our own fault on how we use it vs the actual piece of software. But it does seem to be one of those that most organizations abuse and don't set it up correctly to scale.

It will be usable in Windows work environment only if M365 with Office apps on-premise is ever made to work on Linux. So far that is biggest drawvback to use it at work.


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Quoting: slaapliedje

SSSD has supported GPO control for a while. https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/windows_integration_guide/sssd-gpo

That being said, yeah, SSSD is *fun* to work with.

TBH, I don't know much about Wayland. But I am still happy to see Ubuntu switching to it because I like new things and it will likely speed up development.

Quoting: 14TBH, I don't know much about Wayland. But I am still happy to see Ubuntu switching to it because I like new things and it will likely speed up development.

It's great... until you find random things that don't work. Like I thought for sure the Tomb Raider ports were broken on my Atari VCS with Debian installed. Just turned out it was because I was running Wayland. From a user perspective, you're probably not going to notice anything except that Alt+F2 and R won't restart Gnome...