NVIDIA did a big splash at Computex 2021 with the expected announcement of two new top-end GPUs and quite a big surprise for Linux gaming with the official inclusion of NVIDIA DLSS for Proton. Don't know what Proton is? Check out our dedicated Steam Play Proton section.
They said in their official email press release that this is a collaboration between "NVIDIA, Valve, and the Linux gaming community". Currently DLSS is already in the NVIDIA Linux driver (since July 2020) but it doesn't work with Proton right now but that's about to change, so you'll be able to use "the dedicated AI cores on GeForce RTX GPUs to boost frame rates for their favorite Windows Games running on the Linux operating system". NVIDIA said support for Vulkan games is coming this month, with DirectX titles coming "in the Fall".
An NVIDIA engineer also sent us over the links to the freshly squeezed and juicy Pull Requests to get things moving for Proton and Wine:
- dxvk-nvapi: Add to Proton #4877
- loader: Set default regkey for NVIDIA NGX FullPath #111
- proton: Copy DLLs provided by the NVIDIA driver into prefix #4878
So the upcoming NVIDIA 470 driver series should not only have the Wayland support work in, to allow for hardware accelerated GL and Vulkan rendering with Xwayland but also to extend DLSS on Linux to Proton too. That's going to be their biggest driver release for some time.
As for the new GPUs, their new top of the line gaming flagship is the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti which isn't quite as expensive as the 3090 while still offering up some ridiculous performance.
GeForce RTX 3080 Ti - it will be available June 3rd starting at $1199. Here's a comparison:
| RTX 3090 | RTX 3080 Ti | RTX 3080 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| NVIDIA CUDA Cores | 10496 | 10240 | 8704 |
| Boost Clock | 1.70 GHz | 1.67 GHz | 1.71 GHz |
| Memory Size | 24 GB | 12 GB | 10 GB |
| Memory Type | GDDR6X | GDDR6X | GDDR6X |
RTX 3070 Ti - it will be available June 10th starting at $599. NVIDIA said the 3070 has been their most popular of the Ampere line so they've decided to turbo charge it too.
Here's another comparison:
| RTX 3070 Ti | RTX 3070 | |
|---|---|---|
| NVIDIA CUDA Cores | 6144 | 5888 |
| Boost Clock | 1.77 GHz | 1.73 GHz |
| Memory Size | 8 GB | 8 GB |
| Memory Type | GDDR6X | GDDR6 |
While they both look and sound amazing, the question is: will there be any stock? We're fully expecting them to completely sell out in minutes just like everything else over the last year. NVIDIA announced that both cards will be shipping with a "reduced Ethereum hash rate" to make them less desirable to miners. Will it be enough though?
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Quoting: toojaysHopefully this means Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition will be playable soon. Although I only have a 2060 so maybe it's irrelevant.It plays OK on my system minus the RT and DLSS which show in options but not accessible. and DLSS should help with a 2060 once up and running. Real test will be when we see what Proton does with Q2 RTX v the native Linux version.
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Quoting: robredzQuoting: toojaysHopefully this means Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition will be playable soon. Although I only have a 2060 so maybe it's irrelevant.It plays OK on my system minus the RT and DLSS which show in options but not accessible. and DLSS should help with a 2060 once up and running. Real test will be when we see what Proton does with Q2 RTX v the native Linux version.
That's the normal version, not the enhanced edition. And Q2RT in Vulkan, so doesn't require any translation.
Quoting: mylkayou cant buy non TI
why the F do they make a TI then?
Maybe to distribute their mining restricted GPUs so that they actually have a chance of delivering them to gamers?
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Quoting: mylkayou cant buy non TI
why the F do they make a TI then?
For 3070, good question.
For 3080 TI, according to LTT, it seems the supply of rtx 3090s is currently bound by the DDR6X supply, so instead of having 24GB, you get 12GB on a GPU which is essentially the same otherwise. It then allows you to do twice as many with as many dies. The 2% shave off is probably to support using GPU with low defect rate too.
The 3080ti is a 3090 with less ram, not a boosted 3080.
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Quoting: gardotd426Um, no?
I have an RTX 3090 and my overall resolution is 5120x1440@165Hz (2x2560x1440@165Hz), with both connected over DisplayPort. Never once has it failed to boot. And I'm on 5.13-rc4 right now.
Well, this is an nvidia-recognized bug that is currently affecting many people across multiple distributions. And anyone it does affect is in for a rough day. The type of bug that leaves a sour impression on the company for those affected.
But you aren't having this issue, so I'm sorry I've wasted everyone's time.
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Quoting: kfpenguinQuoting: gardotd426Um, no?
I have an RTX 3090 and my overall resolution is 5120x1440@165Hz (2x2560x1440@165Hz), with both connected over DisplayPort. Never once has it failed to boot. And I'm on 5.13-rc4 right now.
Well, this is an nvidia-recognized bug that is currently affecting many people across multiple distributions. And anyone it does affect is in for a rough day. The type of bug that leaves a sour impression on the company for those affected.
But you aren't having this issue, so I'm sorry I've wasted everyone's time.
The formulation from gardotd426 was a bit brutal maybe. But essentially it seems to be bound to a few screen models. The bug does exist, and that is sad of course. But we are far from a systematic, massive problem. It is indeed not linked to distro it seems, but really to some screens. And the Nvidia guy did not manage to reproduce it yet it seems. So it is probably not a massive bug either.
The point is more that it is not a bug that is anywhere as massive or systematic as you made it sound in your first message. Proof is, we seem to find more people without the issue than people with it on this very forum.
It also mitigate the idea that Nv is not doing QA since the problem seems to be a corner case, on a particular setup, on a few models amongst the many that exists. It is very hard to catch all those bugs, no matter how careful you are. Once again, considering they did not manage to reproduce it directly tend to show it is not trivial/easy to see.
Now, if it shows that the amount of people affected is not neglectable, then Nv defo should extend their QA to this, but it is hard to know in advance this kind of stuff.
Whatever you do, there will always be some bugs that pass through the testing, it is really unavoidable. Testing time is not infinite, and there will always be some corner cases creeping thru.
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Quoting: gardotd426Your entire comparison is complete and utter nonsense.Damn, what does vkd3d-proton have to do with it, if we're talking about drivers?
I do not care about VKD3D-Proton, like potential developers who want to want to release native games for Linux.
Joshua says the main obstacle is the driver and its support. I do not agree with his harsh statements.
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gardotd426 Jun 2, 2021
Quoting: kfpenguinQuoting: gardotd426Um, no?
I have an RTX 3090 and my overall resolution is 5120x1440@165Hz (2x2560x1440@165Hz), with both connected over DisplayPort. Never once has it failed to boot. And I'm on 5.13-rc4 right now.
Well, this is an nvidia-recognized bug that is currently affecting many people across multiple distributions. And anyone it does affect is in for a rough day. The type of bug that leaves a sour impression on the company for those affected.
But you aren't having this issue, so I'm sorry I've wasted everyone's time.
The thing is, you misrepresented the situation.
QuoteTheir new drivers crashes on boot if your montior is connected with DP and/or resoution greater than 1080p.
That's what you said. When in reality, the truth is "**if** you happen to own one of just a handful of monitor models, you're running a resolution above 1080p, *and* it's over DisplayPort, then you can have trouble booting on the current driver."
There are legitimately thousands of people running Linux on Nvidia GPUs above 1080p that aren't having this issue, and it's probably less than 1/10th of 1% of the Nvidia users on Linux that are experiencing this bug. But you decided to make a blanket unequivocal statement, which was false.
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gardotd426 Jun 2, 2021
Quoting: mphuZQuoting: gardotd426Your entire comparison is complete and utter nonsense.Damn, what does vkd3d-proton have to do with it, if we're talking about drivers?
I do not care about VKD3D-Proton, like potential developers who want to want to release native games for Linux.
Joshua says the main obstacle is the driver and its support. I do not agree with his harsh statements.
Um, for one, even you never mentioned "native games." And the things Josh mentioned are absolutely relevant. vkd3d-proton has to work with the Vulkan driver. That's literally how it works. And if the Vulkan driver is trash, doesn't support extensions it should, etc., how is that not relevant?
Your tirade of a post about how what Josh said was "offensive" is blatant AMD worship. And you excuse their waiting 5 months to bring RT support to *just* their proprietary driver and not AMDVLK even though Nvidia had it on day one by saying "well who cares RT is a niche," but it's not just RT where AMD does this.
AMD hasn't released a GPU in the last 4-5 years where they supported all of its functions at launch on Linux. Not just in the userspace drivers, but in the amdgpu kernel driver. It took months and months for RDNA 1 to get overclocking/voltage control, and the same goes for RDNA 2, it just now got it. That's a basic functionality. And there are countless other functions that AMD didn't enable for new GPUs until months after launch. Like I said, they've not released a single architecture in the last 5 years where they've actually fully supported it on Linux at launch.
It's really not a good idea to worship a corporation like that.
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Quoting: 3zekielQuoting: mylkayou cant buy non TI
why the F do they make a TI then?
For 3070, good question.
For 3080 TI, according to LTT, it seems the supply of rtx 3090s is currently bound by the DDR6X supply
i meant because of miners. a hardware mining blocker would be more helpful
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Quoting: mylkaQuoting: 3zekielQuoting: mylkayou cant buy non TI
why the F do they make a TI then?
For 3070, good question.
For 3080 TI, according to LTT, it seems the supply of rtx 3090s is currently bound by the DDR6X supply
i meant because of miners. a hardware mining blocker would be more helpful
All new models (including newly taped out older models) will come with one. Now, whether it will truly be solid enough, that it the question.
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