Paradox celebrate 1 year of Crusader Kings III with stats, like Cannibalism being popular

> One of the stats they gave out showed that Cannibalism has been adopted 14,000 times! Oh my.

Well it's just a game. Like we keep playing games where we kill people and animals left and right, it's not like we have any desire to do that in real life.

> One of the stats they gave out showed that Cannibalism has been adopted 14,000 times! Oh my.

Well it's just a game. Like we keep playing games where we kill people and animals left and right, it's not like we have any desire to do that in real life.

Speak for yourself, let's all petition for the right to eat each other!

Well, in a way you could say it's actually less common than in real life. I mean, 14,000 times sounds like a lot. But the Great Schism has been healed 220,000 times and in real life that hasn't happened even once, so . . .

So honest question....
Is CK3 so much better than 2 that is worth buying 3? Or should I hold off until it gets fleshed out with a couple more expansions?

I have CK2 and most of it's expansions, which cost a lot. I haven't played it much and would basically be a new player.... I guess I'm worried that I would spend a lot of money on a game I fundamentally already have.

So honest question....
Is CK3 so much better than 2 that is worth buying 3? Or should I hold off until it gets fleshed out with a couple more expansions?

I have CK2 and most of it's expansions, which cost a lot. I haven't played it much and would basically be a new player.... I guess I'm worried that I would spend a lot of money on a game I fundamentally already have.

I may be stating the obvious here, but you should probably first play the game you already have, see if you even like it, before you decide to by the sequel :D

So honest question....
Is CK3 so much better than 2 that is worth buying 3? Or should I hold off until it gets fleshed out with a couple more expansions?

I have CK2 and most of it's expansions, which cost a lot. I haven't played it much and would basically be a new player.... I guess I'm worried that I would spend a lot of money on a game I fundamentally already have.

I may be stating the obvious here, but you should probably first play the game you already have, see if you even like it, before you decide to by the sequel :D

It is also a Paradox game, though.
Those tend to not really be very meaty and "finished" until a year and a handful of patches and DLCs are in.

No idea if that is the case here, as CK is really not my cup of tea. But HoI4 or EU4, 4 example (heheehe...) I wouldn't have recommended until 1-2 years later.

So honest question....
Is CK3 so much better than 2 that is worth buying 3? Or should I hold off until it gets fleshed out with a couple more expansions?

I have CK2 and most of it's expansions, which cost a lot. I haven't played it much and would basically be a new player.... I guess I'm worried that I would spend a lot of money on a game I fundamentally already have.

I may be stating the obvious here, but you should probably first play the game you already have, see if you even like it, before you decide to by the sequel :D

It is also a Paradox game, though.
Those tend to not really be very meaty and "finished" until a year and a handful of patches and DLCs are in.

No idea if that is the case here, as CK is really not my cup of tea. But HoI4 or EU4, 4 example (heheehe...) I wouldn't have recommended until 1-2 years later.

Ha, or like Stellaris where you play it a year after it comes out... for enough hours that you know how the mechanics work. Then you play it a year after that again and all the mechanics have changed and you have no clue what is going on! I've been meaning to try to figure out how to play CK2 for so long... that they released CK3...

I really wanted to do the CK# -> EU4 -> HoI4 transfer all the way through. I can't recall if you can transfer from the roman era one on up? Anyhow, would be cool to try to survive through all games with the same character.

So honest question....
Is CK3 so much better than 2 that is worth buying 3? Or should I hold off until it gets fleshed out with a couple more expansions?

I have CK2 and most of it's expansions, which cost a lot. I haven't played it much and would basically be a new player.... I guess I'm worried that I would spend a lot of money on a game I fundamentally already have.

I may be stating the obvious here, but you should probably first play the game you already have, see if you even like it, before you decide to by the sequel :D

It is also a Paradox game, though.
Those tend to not really be very meaty and "finished" until a year and a handful of patches and DLCs are in.

No idea if that is the case here, as CK is really not my cup of tea. But HoI4 or EU4, 4 example (heheehe...) I wouldn't have recommended until 1-2 years later.

Ha, or like Stellaris where you play it a year after it comes out... for enough hours that you know how the mechanics work. Then you play it a year after that again and all the mechanics have changed and you have no clue what is going on! I've been meaning to try to figure out how to play CK2 for so long... that they released CK3...

I really wanted to do the CK# -> EU4 -> HoI4 transfer all the way through. I can't recall if you can transfer from the roman era one on up? Anyhow, would be cool to try to survive through all games with the same character.

Technically, since CK2 is multigenerational, there is no "same character". But I get what you mean.

I really wanted to do the CK# -> EU4 -> HoI4 transfer all the way through. I can't recall if you can transfer from the roman era one on up? Anyhow, would be cool to try to survive through all games with the same character.

First of all, I think it would have to be CK -> EU4 -> Vic2(or 3 if it is out by then :P) -> HoI4.

Basically, I've had the same idea, but honestly:

I don't think it is possible.
Not from a technical standpoint, that can be done (with limitations, obviously).
But I don't think you could do that, anway - how would you actually manage NOT to have conquered the entire planet by the end of EU4?

Realistically, if you play the game normally, not artificially restricting yourself, you'll be at least in a very good position starting EU4 and starting EU4 with a very good position basically means you'll have conquered half the planet by the end.
So then you'd start Vicky having already conquered half the world...
I think such a run would end before you'd even start with HoI4.

If you did limit yourself to stay below what you COULD do, you'd spend the majority of all games doing nothing at all - and that would be boring anyone out of their mind.


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I really wanted to do the CK# -> EU4 -> HoI4 transfer all the way through. I can't recall if you can transfer from the roman era one on up? Anyhow, would be cool to try to survive through all games with the same character.

First of all, I think it would have to be CK -> EU4 -> Vic2(or 3 if it is out by then :P) -> HoI4.

Basically, I've had the same idea, but honestly:

I don't think it is possible.
Not from a technical standpoint, that can be done (with limitations, obviously).
But I don't think you could do that, anway - how would you actually manage NOT to have conquered the entire planet by the end of EU4?

Realistically, if you play the game normally, not artificially restricting yourself, you'll be at least in a very good position starting EU4 and starting EU4 with a very good position basically means you'll have conquered half the planet by the end.
So then you'd start Vicky having already conquered half the world...
I think such a run would end before you'd even start with HoI4.

If you did limit yourself to stay below what you COULD do, you'd spend the majority of all games doing nothing at all - and that would be boring anyone out of their mind.

I didn't think Victoria2 had a transfer program? But the others seem to, and you'd start with Rome Imperator?

I really wanted to do the CK# -> EU4 -> HoI4 transfer all the way through. I can't recall if you can transfer from the roman era one on up? Anyhow, would be cool to try to survive through all games with the same character.

First of all, I think it would have to be CK -> EU4 -> Vic2(or 3 if it is out by then :P) -> HoI4.

Basically, I've had the same idea, but honestly:

I don't think it is possible.
Not from a technical standpoint, that can be done (with limitations, obviously).
But I don't think you could do that, anway - how would you actually manage NOT to have conquered the entire planet by the end of EU4?

Realistically, if you play the game normally, not artificially restricting yourself, you'll be at least in a very good position starting EU4 and starting EU4 with a very good position basically means you'll have conquered half the planet by the end.
So then you'd start Vicky having already conquered half the world...
I think such a run would end before you'd even start with HoI4.

If you did limit yourself to stay below what you COULD do, you'd spend the majority of all games doing nothing at all - and that would be boring anyone out of their mind.

I didn't think Victoria2 had a transfer program? But the others seem to, and you'd start with Rome Imperator?

Oh, you're right. There'd be another game in the row.
With that in mind, you'd have to try really hard not to achieve world domination by EU4

It is also a Paradox game, though.
Those tend to not really be very meaty and "finished" until a year and a handful of patches and DLCs are in.

Thanks, that's the impression I've had give the rate and numerous expansions I've seen mentioned.

may be stating the obvious here, but you should probably first play the game you already have, see if you even like it, before you decide to by the sequel :D

Still appreciated though. I was thinking of cases where some sequels are so improved that the earlier games aren't worth it.

I think you're right though. I don't really have a reason not to try it, especially since I'm not buying anything till 2022 at the earliest.

Thanks!!

So honest question....
Is CK3 so much better than 2 that is worth buying 3? Or should I hold off until it gets fleshed out with a couple more expansions?

I have CK2 and most of it's expansions, which cost a lot. I haven't played it much and would basically be a new player.... I guess I'm worried that I would spend a lot of money on a game I fundamentally already have.

Ignore the people telling you that the game is not "complete" without inevitable DLC or whatever else. CK3 at launch already had most of the relevant content of CK2 and was a far more coherent and polished experience. Not to mention fun. There have been plenty of improvements in the patches since then as well. Both Liam and I looked at the game and I encourage you to look up those full reviews and read them.

That said, play CK2 if you have it—it's also a fine game. It is definitely more difficult to get into, however.

That said, play CK2 if you have it—it's also a fine game. It is definitely more difficult to get into, however

Thanks, I read some of the reviews when the game came out. I will have to re read them. I did find CK2 very difficult to understand, but I partly blamed that on my education. I know nothing of medieval Europe, so even the basic vocabulary was foreign. I'll likely have to suck it up if I want to play it (or CK3 I assume). I've put it on my list to play next after I finish the Witcher series. I actually think that caused my interest in the CK series.

Thank you for the advice!

Thanks, I read some of the reviews when the game came out. I will have to re read them. I did find CK2 very difficult to understand, but I partly blamed that on my education. I know nothing of medieval Europe, so even the basic vocabulary was foreign. I'll likely have to suck it up if I want to play it (or CK3 I assume). I've put it on my list to play next after I finish the Witcher series. I actually think that caused my interest in the CK series.

Thank you for the advice!

It can be difficult to get into CK2. One of the best innovations of CK3 was its better tutorial and more helpful tooltips and ways to look up information in-game. If you're ever lost I'd suggest looking at the official wiki . That or just ask people about things on the official forums or elsewhere (there's plenty of people who play Paradox games in GOL's IRC channel or Discord). Good luck!

I really wanted to do the CK# -> EU4 -> HoI4 transfer all the way through. I can't recall if you can transfer from the roman era one on up? Anyhow, would be cool to try to survive through all games with the same character.

First of all, I think it would have to be CK -> EU4 -> Vic2(or 3 if it is out by then :P) -> HoI4.

Basically, I've had the same idea, but honestly:

I don't think it is possible.
Not from a technical standpoint, that can be done (with limitations, obviously).
But I don't think you could do that, anway - how would you actually manage NOT to have conquered the entire planet by the end of EU4?

Realistically, if you play the game normally, not artificially restricting yourself, you'll be at least in a very good position starting EU4 and starting EU4 with a very good position basically means you'll have conquered half the planet by the end.
So then you'd start Vicky having already conquered half the world...
I think such a run would end before you'd even start with HoI4.

If you did limit yourself to stay below what you COULD do, you'd spend the majority of all games doing nothing at all - and that would be boring anyone out of their mind.

I didn't think Victoria2 had a transfer program? But the others seem to, and you'd start with Rome Imperator?

Oh, you're right. There'd be another game in the row.
With that in mind, you'd have to try really hard not to achieve world domination by EU4

Ha, it needs to be Rome Imperator -> Crusader Kings -> Europa Universalis -> Victoria -> Hearts of Iron -> Surviving Mars -> Stellaris

https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/654hoc/gameplay_timeline_of_paradox_games/

Older post and is missing Mars ha.

Thanks, I read some of the reviews when the game came out. I will have to re read them. I did find CK2 very difficult to understand, but I partly blamed that on my education. I know nothing of medieval Europe, so even the basic vocabulary was foreign. I'll likely have to suck it up if I want to play it (or CK3 I assume). I've put it on my list to play next after I finish the Witcher series. I actually think that caused my interest in the CK series.

Thank you for the advice!

It can be difficult to get into CK2. One of the best innovations of CK3 was its better tutorial and more helpful tooltips and ways to look up information in-game. If you're ever lost I'd suggest looking at the official wiki . That or just ask people about things on the official forums or elsewhere (there's plenty of people who play Paradox games in GOL's IRC channel or Discord). Good luck!

The good and bad thing about a new CK game is that Paradox will support it for a long time to come... but that also means a metric fuck ton of DLC... I'm pretty sure I've spent 1k on CK2... and still haven't played a full game..

So honest question....
Is CK3 so much better than 2 that is worth buying 3? Or should I hold off until it gets fleshed out with a couple more expansions?

I have CK2 and most of it's expansions, which cost a lot. I haven't played it much and would basically be a new player.... I guess I'm worried that I would spend a lot of money on a game I fundamentally already have.

I may be stating the obvious here, but you should probably first play the game you already have, see if you even like it, before you decide to by the sequel :D

It is also a Paradox game, though.
Those tend to not really be very meaty and "finished" until a year and a handful of patches and DLCs are in.

No idea if that is the case here, as CK is really not my cup of tea. But HoI4 or EU4, 4 example (heheehe...) I wouldn't have recommended until 1-2 years later.

Ha, or like Stellaris where you play it a year after it comes out... for enough hours that you know how the mechanics work. Then you play it a year after that again and all the mechanics have changed and you have no clue what is going on! I've been meaning to try to figure out how to play CK2 for so long... that they released CK3...

I really wanted to do the CK# -> EU4 -> HoI4 transfer all the way through. I can't recall if you can transfer from the roman era one on up? Anyhow, would be cool to try to survive through all games with the same character.

Technically, since CK2 is multigenerational, there is no "same character". But I get what you mean.

Ha, yeah same... what's the word, Franchise? :P Dynasty, that's the one!