Ubuntu 21.10 'Impish Indri' is out now with GNOME 40, Kernel 5.13

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: slaapliedjeI still think it shouldn't be called SteamOS 3 and needs to be 4... 3.0 was the beta branch based on Debian, and we all know Valve can't count to 3, but assuredly they can count to 4. :P

You mean the SteamOS Clockwerk attempt maybe? In any case, it was never viable, even as a beta, just an incomplete repo.

QuoteI also wish I could find some time to test it, but I don't know why you couldn't take SteamOS 2.0 and change the repositories to mainstream Debian and just upgrade to Bullseye and have a newer / stable system.

You can add Debian repos, and that's what I did for a while, but eventually Sidux offered some newer Mesa drivers I believe (don't remember exactly what it was the reason).

Correct, SteamOS Clockwerk was supposed to be 3.0. One of the devs were infuriated with the way .deb packages were built. Which to be fair, is a far more complicated process than PKGBUILD files for sure, so I can see with that why they moved to Arch.

But running either Debian stable+backports (currently Bullseye and new enough currently to be quite usable for a gaming OS) or Debian Sid, which now has the 5.14+ kernel would also be fine. So my curiosity is if you could install SteamOS 2.0, and just change the repos to Debian Sid or Bullseye and it'd just update and be current, rather than stagnant.

Quoting: slaapliedjeSo my curiosity is if you could install SteamOS 2.0, and just change the repos to Debian Sid or Bullseye and it'd just update and be current, rather than stagnant.

I don't remember exactly, but last time it was either testing or unstable I upgraded to, it wasn't exactly a straightforward process, though definitely possible. Then switched to Sidux, again not straightforward. At that point I had to ask myself, is this still SteamOS, why do I even bother, if Valve doesn't give a shit, what am I doing?
It was doable at the time, but I kinda doubt is still possible now, and again what's the point with SteamOS 3 on the horizon, which will be Arch based btw.

The core is frustratingly outdated at release like usual..

Quoting: EagleDelta

Quoting: scainePulseaudio 15 is now weirdly "meh", now that the world has re-focused on Pipewire instead. I suppose Pipewire still leverages PA under the hood though?

And yeah, looking forward to Pop_OS 21.10 now, albeit, I take their improvements with a pinch of salt these days, given that I'm a bit of a KDE convert!

I believe Pipewire has interfaces for both PulseAudio and Jack.... though I can't remember if that's PA -> PW or if it was for using applications expecting PA/Jack with PW.

That is for using applications expecting PA/Jack to work with PW instead. PW replaces PA and Jack, it does not work with them so to speak.

Quoting: dubigrasu

Quoting: slaapliedjeSo my curiosity is if you could install SteamOS 2.0, and just change the repos to Debian Sid or Bullseye and it'd just update and be current, rather than stagnant.

I don't remember exactly, but last time it was either testing or unstable I upgraded to, it wasn't exactly a straightforward process, though definitely possible. Then switched to Sidux, again not straightforward. At that point I had to ask myself, is this still SteamOS, why do I even bother, if Valve doesn't give a shit, what am I doing?
It was doable at the time, but I kinda doubt is still possible now, and again what's the point with SteamOS 3 on the horizon, which will be Arch based btw.

In case you're not comfortable with Arch, but are with Debian, I suppose?

Also, if you already have SteamOS 2.0 installed somewhere, you could just update it to newer kernels / mesa / nvidia without needing to re-install.

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: dubigrasuWell, for me is hello Ubuntu, goodbye Ubuntu, its days as my distro are numbered.
I had a short period using it, but I've been mostly a SteamOS user since 2013, and only resorted to Ubuntu when SteamOS 2.0 was clearly abandoned (or so I thought at the time).
I did tried to keep SteamOS alive by adding Sidux repos and having practically everything up to date, but it eventually it was: what's the point?

Ubuntu served me well and I have no complaints, but for now: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish, looking forward for SteamOS 3.

I still think it shouldn't be called SteamOS 3 and needs to be 4... 3.0 was the beta branch based on Debian, and we all know Valve can't count to 3, but assuredly they can count to 4. :P

I also wish I could find some time to test it, but I don't know why you couldn't take SteamOS 2.0 and change the repositories to mainstream Debian and just upgrade to Bullseye and have a newer / stable system.

Well install a arch based distro and install steamos session + and you will have a SteamOS system without any hassle, or if you dont need the desktop install chimeraOS.

Quoting: scirocco

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: dubigrasuWell, for me is hello Ubuntu, goodbye Ubuntu, its days as my distro are numbered.
I had a short period using it, but I've been mostly a SteamOS user since 2013, and only resorted to Ubuntu when SteamOS 2.0 was clearly abandoned (or so I thought at the time).
I did tried to keep SteamOS alive by adding Sidux repos and having practically everything up to date, but it eventually it was: what's the point?

Ubuntu served me well and I have no complaints, but for now: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish, looking forward for SteamOS 3.

I still think it shouldn't be called SteamOS 3 and needs to be 4... 3.0 was the beta branch based on Debian, and we all know Valve can't count to 3, but assuredly they can count to 4. :P

I also wish I could find some time to test it, but I don't know why you couldn't take SteamOS 2.0 and change the repositories to mainstream Debian and just upgrade to Bullseye and have a newer / stable system.

Well install a arch based distro and install steamos session + and you will have a SteamOS system without any hassle, or if you dont need the desktop install chimeraOS.

I actually triple boot on my main system, Arch Linux (had that install since pre-systemd switch), Debian Sid (for the past... 3? releases), and Windows 10. I've legit upgraded the hardware more than I've swapped out / re-installed operating systems. Though I did re-install Windows 10 to try to fix some issue, and damned if it actually fixed anything, it's still garbage :P Oh, it was because it wouldn't update to the latest version and that did get fixed by an install of the newer version :P

But installing Arch or ChimeraOS is not what I'm talking about here. My purpose was to prove out that Debian would have been fine to have stuck with, instead of them changing their base.

Quoting: scainePulseaudio 15 is now weirdly "meh", now that the world has re-focused on Pipewire instead. I suppose Pipewire still leverages PA under the hood though?

Pulse has been feature complete and stable for most users for a couple of years now. It makes zero sense to write all new audio core and introduce a bunch of new bugs just because a small group of loud mouths can't stand the PulseAudio dev. For 99% of Linux users PipeWire will show zero improvements over or Pulse.

Quoting: DeadCode

Quoting: scainePulseaudio 15 is now weirdly "meh", now that the world has re-focused on Pipewire instead. I suppose Pipewire still leverages PA under the hood though?

Pulse has been feature complete and stable for most users for a couple of years now. It makes zero sense to write all new audio core and introduce a bunch of new bugs just because a small group of loud mouths can't stand the PulseAudio dev. For 99% of Linux users PipeWire will show zero improvements over or Pulse.

Spoken like someone who hasn't used bluetooth headsets, had to use a PC with multiple inputs and outputs (PA still doesn't have a way to choose a default), or had to constantly restart PA because of crackling in VR.

PA is a bit of a car crash. It was a useful step up from Alsa for multiple-stream support... for about a year, then ALSA got that baked in, but most distros had committed to PA by then. I can't think of a single upgrade to PA that's made using it any more pleasant. It's stale, and I'm extremely glad Pipewire is shaking things up again.

Quoting: scainePA is a bit of a car crash. It was a useful step up from Alsa for multiple-stream support... for about a year, then ALSA got that baked in, but most distros had committed to PA by then. I can't think of a single upgrade to PA that's made using it any more pleasant. It's stale, and I'm extremely glad Pipewire is shaking things up again.

For me the multiple inputs and outputs kind of works. It might just take little fiddling around for the first time. Disabling unused outputs also helps, otherwise Pulseaudio might prefer to pick the wrong one. At least with Pavucontrol fixing the inputs the outputs is quick once you learn what are the most common problems. Definitely could be better though.

There's no going back to ALSA though as many games will insist on using Pulseaudio. So having Pulseaudio compatibility is must. I was quite happy with ALSA, but the support has been dwindling, so I have been on Pulseaudio for a while now.

Actually funnily Pipewire Wikipedia article lists several Pulseaudio annoyances that it fixes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PipeWire#Reception


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