GOG suspends all sales in Russia and Belarus

It's Russia and USA. And Russia is certainly the worse of the two, by a long shot.

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American has more 800 bases in foreign country,In the last 20 years it has invaded Iraq and Afghanistan under false claim lying directly to the assembly in UN,bombed and invaded Syria while funding and arming opposition that lead to the creating of daesh, backed coups in Bolivia against democratically elected preisdents Evo Morales, killed and impression countless of people in blacksites, has the larges prisoner population, suppress and kill labor activist,has multiple credits system that far worst than social credits score of china, has a propaganda machine so good that your saying this sort of thing.


Both are fucking dogshit, but claims that Russia is worst than the US empire is plainly wrong.

Claiming 'we' force them to fight by giving them those weapons isn't even cynical anymore. What I'd call it I won't write, to make Moderator's life easier...

Did I said that?

If Europeans should feel guilty is that in the recent past you did the same that Russia is doing (not in Europe, granted) nor didn't move a finger when similar stuff was happening in other places of the world. The only reason why you care about Ukraine is not because you feel attached to the population, but because the conflict is at the doors of Europe. But of course (and before pro-Russia users get exited) this still doesn't justify the military actions in Ukraine, Georgia or any other country were you got involved in a "liberation" war.

Claiming 'we' force them to fight by giving them those weapons isn't even cynical anymore. What I'd call it I won't write, to make Moderator's life easier...

Did I said that?

If Europeans should feel guilty is that in the recent past you did the same that Russia is doing (not in Europe, granted) nor didn't move a finger when similar stuff was happening in other places of the world. The only reason why you care about Ukraine is not because you feel attached to the population, but because the conflict is at the doors of Europe. But of course (and before pro-Russia users get exited) this still doesn't justify the military actions in Ukraine, Georgia or any other country were you got involved in a "liberation" war.

So if any European country has been doing something bad by doing or not doing something, none of the countries in Europe shouldn't be sending guns? Or was it that guns should be sent only when the victory is guaranteed already?

So Russian army who thinks they're fighting Nazis should be let to invade Ukraine while international community still tries to find sanctions that actually have an effect? Army that's shooting at nuclear plants and bombing civilians?

Claiming 'we' force them to fight by giving them those weapons isn't even cynical anymore. What I'd call it I won't write, to make Moderator's life easier...

Did I said that?

If Europeans should feel guilty is that in the recent past you did the same that Russia is doing (not in Europe, granted) nor didn't move a finger when similar stuff was happening in other places of the world. The only reason why you care about Ukraine is not because you feel attached to the population, but because the conflict is at the doors of Europe. But of course (and before pro-Russia users get exited) this still doesn't justify the military actions in Ukraine, Georgia or any other country were you got involved in a "liberation" war.

So if any European country has been doing something bad by doing or not doing something, none of the countries in Europe shouldn't be sending guns? Or was it that guns should be sent only when the victory is guaranteed already?

So Russian army who thinks they're fighting Nazis should be let to invade Ukraine while international community still tries to find sanctions that actually have an effect? Army that's shooting at nuclear plants and bombing civilians?

Yeah, that is how modern Europe is - a bunch of cowards shitting their pants before the war they can't avoid. Look - they already given up, they already lost.

So if any European country has been doing something bad by doing or not doing something, none of the countries in Europe shouldn't be sending guns? Or was it that guns should be sent only when the victory is guaranteed already?

You're creating connections that I never imply nor say in my answers. My point against guns supply is that Ukraine is lost and they will end up creating more harm that help. The only way to avoid the fall is that NATO directly involves, but that will not happen.

The best it can be done right now is to help as much as possible with the escape of all the families affected by this stupid war. Oh, and it would also be neat that we start giving this same repercussion all future stupid military operations that any other Western or Eastern country starts. Europe bypassed a lot of rules in the past that lead to allow Putin do this shit, something must be learn from this and political changes must be done so we reduce the chances of this type of conflict all around the globe (maybe put UN to an actual use would be neat).

So Russian army who thinks they're fighting Nazis should be let to invade Ukraine while international community still tries to find sanctions that actually have an effect? Army that's shooting at nuclear plants and bombing civilians?

Sanctions will have an effect, that's for sure, but that effect requires time (just like it will take a lot of time to reduce EU energy dependency from Russia).

Putin was able to improve Russia military position but his economy is still weak and he can try all what he wants, but Russia needs Western more than what he believes. So yeah, you can be impulsive and go to an open war that destroys the humanity or simply be patient and get Putin to a dead end where he will have to negotiate an exit. IMO, the latter is our only chance.

yes one crazy person start war (that is evil) so as response lets make life on normal people in Belarus (that Hate Putin and Łukaszenko) more sad and hard be not selling them (because we can do evil thinks too and pretend that we do good think)

Because I work witch people from Belarus i know that they are not russia ally, they are almost 'under occupation' and now when most company are not willing to trade witch Belarus its make life there even more hard (from my perspective killing people with guns (russia do it now in Ukraine) its near same Evil like not selling food to people and allow them to die from hunger (companies do it now by stoping trade witch Belarus))
Poor Belarus: not only Putin want to destroy them; now we (many word companies like GOG) want them to be destroyed because we believe they are russian ally
Sad that GOG do this too :/

Edit: typos and misspell

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Somwhere you got in.


Last edited by jp on 15 March 2022 at 3:19 pm UTC

And here I thought political comments were against the rules.

At least as far as the article goes, we are not far into offtopic territory. It would be hard to not to discuss about politics when article discusses about sanctions.

- Politics is important, it affects everything and everyone. However, be mindful of what you talk about and spread. If it is likely to cause arguments, don't post it. Most of the time, political chat isn't really needed here. Obviously if we cover something political, that is inviting respectable debate keeping all the other rules in mind.

Political discussion is fine when it's topical, disinformation and arguments are not.

"Disinformation"? I see what you did there.

What do you mean? Isn't that exactly what "be mindful of what you [...] spread" is about?

It could, or may not. Comes down to the interpretation of the one in charge. One could spread something that is true but exaggerate how much attention or action it requires. But yeah, it could cover misinformation I suppose.

While I can understand what GOG is trying to do, I should say they aren't very good at explaining it to the customers. Yes, they wrote a statement, but that statement is somewhere at the bottom of the site, and on the second page already. And if I try to buy a game from them today (I'm from Belarus), I will only see that there is no box to enter my bank card number. No explanation, no link to the statement - simply no way to finish order. Looks like a site UI bug more than anything else.

Thanks for that information, that sounds actually quite cheap from GOG :(. Let’s hope that they are still in the process to get this right and going to present their statement much more obvious and at the places where it counts.

Now if Steam would use their popularity to spread a statement together with more objective information about what’s actually happening in Ukraine ….

About the actual action by GOG to block Russia and Belarus: to be honest I don’t know what’s the best long term or even short term action. Imho the art of diplomacy is to end a war with all sides feeling like winners, though if there was an easy solution, it would have already been found.

I do know that I really want this to end. It really hurts to see that Europe went 50 or more years back in time within just a few days. Within the same few days millions of people lost their homes and culture and probably their future and a lot even their life’s, all for nothing or some false glorification of the past if you ask me :(. I also don’t want to wake up one morning reading that we do have another nuclear catastrophe here in Europe because of someone declaring a power plant a military target without thinking straight :(
I hope for all the people being affected by this war, that it will end really soon. There are no winners in wars.


Last edited by jens on 6 March 2022 at 10:16 am UTC

So if any European country has been doing something bad by doing or not doing something, none of the countries in Europe shouldn't be sending guns? Or was it that guns should be sent only when the victory is guaranteed already?

You're creating connections that I never imply nor say in my answers. My point against guns supply is that Ukraine is lost and they will end up creating more harm that help. The only way to avoid the fall is that NATO directly involves, but that will not happen.

I asked those question because you started to be bit incoherent. We're back to the where we were before though. Might just have to agree to disagree here.

The best it can be done right now is to help as much as possible with the escape of all the families affected by this stupid war. Oh, and it would also be neat that we start giving this same repercussion all future stupid military operations that any other Western or Eastern country starts. Europe bypassed a lot of rules in the past that lead to allow Putin do this shit, something must be learn from this and political changes must be done so we reduce the chances of this type of conflict all around the globe (maybe put UN to an actual use would be neat).

I have no idea what it would take to UN to get that kind of power.

So Russian army who thinks they're fighting Nazis should be let to invade Ukraine while international community still tries to find sanctions that actually have an effect? Army that's shooting at nuclear plants and bombing civilians?

Sanctions will have an effect, that's for sure, but that effect requires time (just like it will take a lot of time to reduce EU energy dependency from Russia).

Putin was able to improve Russia military position but his economy is still weak and he can try all what he wants, but Russia needs Western more than what he believes. So yeah, you can be impulsive and go to an open war that destroys the humanity or simply be patient and get Putin to a dead end where he will have to negotiate an exit. IMO, the latter is our only chance.

West is certainly walking on tightrope here, Putin certainly is keeping the destruction of humanity on the table.

If Putin gets what he wants though, it's Putin has the most leverage for negotiations. Also Ukraine will be lost for long time, getting any already annexed areas back via negotiation will be near impossible.

yes one crazy person start war (that is evil) so as response lets make life on normal people in Belarus (that Hate Putin and Łukaszenko) more sad and hard be not selling them (because we can do evil thinks too and pretend that we do good think)

Not quite as simple as that.
The premise is that by making life harder on the people in Russia and Belarus by taking away their toys (GOG). It will trigger the citizens of those locations to pay more attention to the shit that's going down.

Remember Russian and Belarus CITIZENS are in the military killing Ukraine citizens. Their not some separatist military group. At the end of the day; the citizens are always punished, and sometimes when we're lucky, rich sob get hit too...


Last edited by TheRiddick on 7 March 2022 at 8:30 am UTC

I think even allowing Russia to pay for Ukraine support would work better than just banning payment; make prices x2 and send all extra money to support Ukraine, that would be much much more effective.


Last edited by slapin on 8 March 2022 at 5:43 pm UTC

Suddenly, it seems some games on Steam have blocked the sales on Russia...
But maybe I am wrong.. Take a look at the Russian Ruble.

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Before doing any sanctions you should understand Russia's economy.
1. All income goes from exports and most of that is not under sanctions and won't be any time soon.
2. People in Russia are mostly divide between elites (0.02%) which support the regime and are almost not affected by sanctions (because Europe and US are very corrupt also they prepared to hide their capitals, also they are protected by various general licenses), 15% middle class which opposes Putin which is now destroyed by sanctions with people either leaving Russia (the ones who can and have enough money to afford that) or joining regime supporters (because they can't afford to leave and afraid for their lives and lives of their families), 40% people depending on regime (the main Putin's audience), the regime pays their wages and demands their loyalty, they live in the same information bubble as Putin and will do whatever they are being told to do regardless of the situation; also they are very poor and have nothing to lose and don't use most of Western civilization gifts so basically are unaffected by sanctions (they have nothing to lose from sanctions, also their income source can't be sanctioned).
3. US media corporations in Russia were part of oppression machine helping the regime find the opponents and censoring free speach, even by their will and initiative, for some commercial reasons. That also added to reduction of opposition numbers.

Due to that economic sanctions will only affect people who were protesting already and paid with their freedom for that,
and people who support Ukraine. As whole Russia will not be affected in any way usable short term. As for long term effects they will start to show up in many months.

So the only way to actually stop the war is to make Ukraine win (almost impossible without direct confrontation) or stop Putin's army somehow (also impossible without direct confrontation). Or kill Zelensky and give Ukraine to Putin (that might give Putin an idea that he can demand much more than that from West), effectively sacrificing it for safety of European and US cowards shitting their pants now (effectively delaying next unavoidable invasion). All other ways lead to unavoidable huge numbers of deaths and unavoidable West loss. Also it will still not be possible to avoid direct confrontation regardless of the choice now or in near future.

So hint: don't try to address anybody sane in Russia sanctioning them, that will not work, because with sanctions added all people can do is either leave country or join the regime. They lost ability to do anything else.

Suddenly, it seems some games on Steam have blocked the sales on Russia...
But maybe I am wrong.. Take a look at the Russian Ruble.

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