GPD are getting quite desperate against the Steam Deck

Quoting: setzer22Being a happy owner of several GPD devices (as well as recently a Deck), the first thing I thought when I saw the steam deck announcement was: These guys are screwed.

And I can't help but feeling sad about it :/ The've pioneered the whole handheld gaming thing and made that a reality several years before valve came and announced the Deck. Their products *worked* as a steam gaming device way before Valve even thought this was a good idea, they basically did the market research for them. It's sad to see them now being run out of business by the bigger corporation. Valve is selling the deck at a loss because they can afford it, and that will take care of killing off the "competition". But such is the brutal world of business ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, I don't like people abusing copyright law to do stupid things. They are obviously in the wrong about this, but I don't think rehashing what everybody agrees with would contribute much to the discussion at this point.

Some people seem to forget that valve has spent a vast amount of time on "Gaming On Linux", the sheer amount of effort behind proton is staggering, the development of proton also helped wine itself get better overall.

GPD had the warning signs years in advanced, they didn't react and try make a more affordable device for the masses. now that valve has done so after waiting until proton was in a mature enough state, GPD is salty.

I don't think valve had intention to push these smaller businesses out but they did have ample amount of time to change their business plan.

The official response from GDP seems to be their attitude toward Linux in general.

Quoting: elmapulthey are even more desperate than that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/som87v/gpd_steam_deck_is_worse_than_win_3_it_is_a_closed/

Ohoho man, this is really something to read. Like, this might be the first time I've seen a supposedly professional company say piracy is a "feature", but to call a linux platform "closed" is something else. At best they have a case for SteamOS's immutable file system being technically "closed" outside of flatpaks but that's fixed with a few commands in the terminal, and they're comparing a like, $1,300 handheld to a $400 one.

I can buy that this was an official response though, On a certain video game related anonymous imageboard every steam deck thread has someone shilling GPD and talking crap about the steam deck, I just didn't think it was THIS bad on their end.

Quoting: GuestYeah you are deffo missing something. Looks like you're oversimplifying it, It's not as simple as just reporting it, you need to be able to proove it and youtube do a thorough investigation into the claim.

Ah, ok, thanks. It's not the same as a DMCA strike then. I wasn't oversimplifying on purpose.


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Quoting: GuestYeah you are deffo missing something. Looks like you're oversimplifying it, It's not as simple as just reporting it, you need to be able to proove it and youtube do a thorough investigation into the claim.

Unfortunately, this is not true and YouTube has been under heavy flak for their strongly abusable claim system.

Basically, as soon as someone creates a claim, that claim is valid.
It can be disputed, of course, but guess who has the burden of proof: It's not the claimer (claimant?).
Only once that dispute has been denied by the claimer, can the victim get YouTube involved.
And good luck getting anyone from YouTube involved to take your side in such a case... it takes a LOT of time, effort and ultimately money.

If you get three of those strikes before any of them can be cleared up, your channel is subject to termination.
At the very least, you won't be able to upload more videos before those are cleared up.

If all of this sounds heavily rigged, then yeah, that's because it is.

Quoting: spayder26Chinese companies, regardless of their size or reach, usually have a whole different concept of copyright infringement, so zero surprises here.

This reminds me of Xiaomi theme store that is basically filled with the usage of copyrighted content without permission.

Quoting: crse

Quoting: spayder26Chinese companies, regardless of their size or reach, usually have a whole different concept of copyright infringement, so zero surprises here.

This reminds me of Xiaomi theme store that is basically filled with the usage of copyrighted content without permission.

Well, Facebook is basically filled with the usage of copyrighted content without permission, too...

GPD already got desperate for a long time on thier chinese social account.
They keep attacking Steam deck in thier video on EVERY TITLE.
And video footage is also stole from Youtube.
If there is anyone want to know what GPD post. I'll try to translate them.

https://space.bilibili.com/13258977/video

I understand they got bitter. Their business case is dying, and in my humble opinion there's not much they can do about it. (Maybe if they are quick enough with a big SteamOS device Valve is thinking about?) Of course they have to react more decent on this situation.

... and I understand Liam very good. Being blocked for no good reason feels bad, and having the possibility to react publicly on it and being seen on Google feels good. Been there, done that. :)

Quoting: pete910

Quoting: setzer22Valve is selling the deck at a loss because they can afford it

Can you link to the info/BOM that has that regards costings?

Come on, you know I can't do that. Nobody can, because this is undisclosed private information. If I really had this information (who knows!), it would be a breach of NDA. :)

But my point is that many people seem to agree that Valve is selling the lowest tier at a loss. You may think $400 is a lot if you're measuring against the switch (~30% increase), but fitting an actual PC in this form factor with an x86 architecture, plus all the research work in prototyping and ergonomics, design their custom chip...? And you must take into account that it's their first time doing this (it's not like they had an established process to design handheld consoles like Nintendo).

Moreover, you look at the competition and see no other company out there has been able to sell a similar product at this price point. Are all the steam deck competitors ripping off their customers by charging enormous benefit margins (i.e. selling <$400 hardware for >$1000)? Of course valve has the benefit of having loads of cash and can affort to do mass production, but it doesn't look like they're doing it right now: How many are still waiting on Q2 or Q3 orders? If anything, production looks like it has been quite slow.

All these things add up, and honestly from the outside it seems like a huge risk for them. Like every other Linux enthusiast, I want them to succeed! But honestly they're either *very* optimistic about their potential sales figures or they're selling at a loss and hoping for a revenue increase from people purchasing more steam games. Or maybe they're doing out of love for the linux community, but I'm not that naive.

But anyway, what do I know about business? I'm just a random dude on the internet! If you believe anything I just said, joke's on you.