KDE Plasma 5.25 is out now, here's some of what's new

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: ShmerlColor syncing reminds SailfishOS ambience idea. Cool concept and it's nice to see.

Waiting for Debian testing to finally get Qt 5.15.4 to be able to switch to the KDE Wayland session and avoid that nasty monitor sleep bug.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qtbase-opensource-src

Man, I wish I could have enjoyed owning a SailfishOS device... I really miss being able to use my N9 or even N900.... now that 3G is essentially dead.

Sailfish OS works fine for me on my Sony Xperia 10, with official support from Jolla. But unless you're in "the countries of the European Union, UK, Norway [or] Switzerland", you're out of luck.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: ShmerlColor syncing reminds SailfishOS ambience idea. Cool concept and it's nice to see.

Waiting for Debian testing to finally get Qt 5.15.4 to be able to switch to the KDE Wayland session and avoid that nasty monitor sleep bug.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/qtbase-opensource-src

Man, I wish I could have enjoyed owning a SailfishOS device... I really miss being able to use my N9 or even N900.... now that 3G is essentially dead.

Sailfish OS works fine for me on my Sony Xperia 10, with official support from Jolla. But unless you're in "the countries of the European Union, UK, Norway [or] Switzerland", you're out of luck.

Yeah, I'm in the USA where they don't even think Sony makes phones, it's pretty much Samsung or Apple... Though I'll be honest, I bought a Sony Xperia (z2 I think?) a few years ago and... it's actually the best 'pure Android' that I've used, as most of the time non-Samsung Androids are kind of terrible... at least in my experience. Still think the N900 and N9 were years ahead in their design...

Quoting: tuubiSailfish OS works fine for me on my Sony Xperia 10, with official support from Jolla. But unless you're in "the countries of the European Union, UK, Norway [or] Switzerland", you're out of luck.

You can list yourself as there and be elsewhere. They don't stop you :) It works in other countries.

Quoting: slaapliedjeYeah, I'm in the USA where they don't even think Sony makes phones, it's pretty much Samsung or Apple... Though I'll be honest, I bought a Sony Xperia (z2 I think?) a few years ago and... it's actually the best 'pure Android' that I've used, as most of the time non-Samsung Androids are kind of terrible... at least in my experience. Still think the N900 and N9 were years ahead in their design...

Xperia XA2 will work fine, but it doesn't have VoLTE in SailfishOS, so it will get cut off on most providers.

May be Xperia 5 III will get support eventually.

https://electronics.sony.com/mobile/smartphone/all/p/xqbq62-b


Last edited by Shmerl on 15 June 2022 at 8:21 pm UTC

Quoting: GuestAs for Valve, they should have developed their own gaming-centric DE as the Deck's desktop experience is dire at best.

Here's hoping they eventually re-base to Nobara, with their own DE.

Yeah, that's not happening. With the gargantuan mountain they're moving, they HAVE to work with partners or nothing will get done. Valve has a lot of resources to be sure, but they can't build everything on their own. Happened with Proton, and naturally happened with their DE as well.

Even system76 and Budgie leverages existing tech, but whereas they both get to focus on one thing at a time, Valve has to make sure that not only everything works perfectly for gaming and whatever else users might do with their device, they still need to move fast as well or the Chinese brands will eat into the market they've expanded.

Between GNOME and KDE to partner with, KDE is just a natural choice for them. GNOME devs are notoriously hard to work with, if you don't align with the same vision and goals as them. KDE on the other hand is pretty content with building on what they have without breaking user's usecase. Sometime's that's not elegantly done, but it's better than having a headache every other major GNOME releases (unless you don't personalize anything, which is dumb because you try giving Fedora to a total Windows-normie).

Also, Arch is a pretty sensible choice. They are literally building their own platform to get away from the existential threat that is Microsoft, why would they let themselves be beholden to another company? And Nobara is new, it's driven by an experienced dev, sure, but it's new, it doesn't have the same community size as Arch, and it's still mainly reliant on a single dev. Saying SteamOS should be based on Nobara is absurd.

The simple fact is that Valve is a company who has to ship actual products and they are not incumbents to the game - they have to take the pragmatic choices here. And I'd rather they do that and make results everyone can benefit from over pulling yet another Steam Machine/Controller/Link.

What about the updates in discover in Steam Deck? KDE updates (and others) are popping up.

Can I just simply update the individual parts of the OS? Or will they be handled by the SteamOS updates through gaming mode?


Last edited by itsNotting on 16 June 2022 at 8:10 am UTC

Quoting: itsNottingWhat about the updates in discover in Steam Deck? KDE updates (and others) are popping up.

Can I just simply update the individual parts of the OS? Or will they be handled by the SteamOS updates through gaming mode?

Depends on your filesystems rw state. If everything but home is readonly, you can't update anything but flatpaks from discover. I'd wait for the official update from valve, though I really want to try it :)

Quoting: const

Quoting: itsNottingWhat about the updates in discover in Steam Deck? KDE updates (and others) are popping up.

Can I just simply update the individual parts of the OS? Or will they be handled by the SteamOS updates through gaming mode?

Depends on your filesystems rw state. If everything but home is readonly, you can't update anything but flatpaks from discover. I'd wait for the official update from valve, though I really want to try it :)

Everyone should keep in mind that flatpak does have updates for libraries... but they don't touch the OS level libraries, they're just for that particular user. It's to try to solve the issue that most mac software and Windows software has, where you end up with many copies of the same libraries as they're bundled with all the things. Look at any of the flatpaks for Gnome applications, they pull in 'gnome.platform' or whatever it's called. I end up having to go through and clean up old versions of those, as flatpak doesn't seem to do a fantastic job of it on it's own...

I have used KDE (Plasma) since i installed my first linuxdistribution back in the early 2000 years. I used Redhat and moved to Suse Linux. Nowadays i am on the Kubuntu regular release for many years now. While i switched distributions i always used KDE as my desktop. The Plasmadesktop is great and the same is true for many Apps and Tools build with KDE technology (Kontact,KDEnlive,Dolphin,Okular,Latte Dock).

My brother on the other hand is a longtime GNOME user and i think that it is a great experience in it's own right if you are used to it's worklflow.

If you have a general idea how linuxdistributions work, switching desktops is much harder than switching distros because the DE is your interface to the OS. By time you learn to use it, configuring it to suit your needs and workaround it's flaws. This is also true for OSX and Windows.

The good thing is that linux as a desktop OS gives you much more options here to make it your own. It gives you complete ownership and control over your computingdevices and your files for no financial cost with trustworthy free and opensource software mostly developed by people in their free time.
I think we should keep this mind while complaining about missing features and problems with said software.

Linux as a desktop OS is now going through a rough time in my opinion. The necessary switch to new technologies like Wayland will take a long time and it will be (is) frustrating at certain points. On the other hand this development will in the end solve problems like multidisplaysetups, VRR and others which wont work with X.Org/X11. The adoption of Wayland was held back for a long time by many factors and is overdue.


Last edited by ripper81358 on 16 June 2022 at 1:05 pm UTC

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: const

Quoting: itsNottingWhat about the updates in discover in Steam Deck? KDE updates (and others) are popping up.

Can I just simply update the individual parts of the OS? Or will they be handled by the SteamOS updates through gaming mode?

Depends on your filesystems rw state. If everything but home is readonly, you can't update anything but flatpaks from discover. I'd wait for the official update from valve, though I really want to try it :)

Everyone should keep in mind that flatpak does have updates for libraries... but they don't touch the OS level libraries, they're just for that particular user. It's to try to solve the issue that most mac software and Windows software has, where you end up with many copies of the same libraries as they're bundled with all the things. Look at any of the flatpaks for Gnome applications, they pull in 'gnome.platform' or whatever it's called. I end up having to go through and clean up old versions of those, as flatpak doesn't seem to do a fantastic job of it on it's own...

So you're saying it's to try (and fail) to solve the problem . . .