Mojang rolls out Player Chat Reporting into Minecraft Java

Alternative: https://www.minetest.net/

Ah, yes.
"Hatespeech" aka "someone was mean to me on the internet" aka "please protect me from different opinions voiced strongly" aka "I'm sure this will never be abused" aka "whatever those in power deem to be unacceptable at this point in time, to be changed later, this is totally not a slippery slope, trust us".

Anyway, Minecraft really isn't the platform to insist on being some kind of free speech platform, given the target audience.
In fact, I'm all in favor of moderating chat there.

However, that should be up to the server you're on, not globally managed by Mojang.
Mojang should only provide the tools to do so (including a common database of known offenders), should the admins desire it.

Of course, I don't know if I ever used chat in Minecraft (usually when playing I will be in some voice session). And if I did, certainly not to just randomly swear and insult people
I just do find it funny how "hatespeech" has become this sledgehammer argument "I don't agree with this and feel offended, therefore this is hatespeech" thing and can't help but laugh about it.

Alternative: https://www.minetest.net/

Minetest is more of a ham sandwich where minecraft is a fullblown buffet. It doesn't come even remotely close enough yet. Which I find extremely sad, I've been wanting to play mc again for years but I'm not gonna link a ms account.

"Hatespeech" aka "someone was mean to me on the internet" aka "please protect me from different opinions voiced strongly" aka "I'm sure this will never be abused" aka "whatever those in power deem to be unacceptable at this point in time, to be changed later, this is totally not a slippery slope, trust us".

Mmm definitely don't agree there. Huge difference between mean text and hate speech and I think anyone with a bit of common sense can generally tell the difference. There's really no place for hate speech.

Minetest is more of a ham sandwich where minecraft is a fullblown buffet.

To be honest - Minetest is more like a tool to create games (and not only games), than a game itself.
And even their page says: "An open source voxel game engine".
If you read deeper it says: "Minetest is not a game itself, but instead provides a Lua API which is used to create games and mods. This makes creation and customisation super easy. "


Last edited by Avikarr on 1 Aug 2022 at 12:15 pm UTC

(including a common database of known offenders)

This never gone wrong, specially in (semi-)automated system. It will be abused to hilarious levels.

Huge difference between mean text and hate speech and I think anyone with a bit of common sense can generally tell the difference. There's really no place for hate speech.

Going by Mojang's description, I presume that the update concerned is intended to address the long-running issue of extremist recruiting in video games, which has affected Minecraft for years.


Last edited by Pengling on 1 Aug 2022 at 12:25 pm UTC

Huge difference between mean text and hate speech and I think anyone with a bit of common sense can generally tell the difference.

This sentence alone should tell you where the problem lies.
There is no waterproof definition of "hate speech", even official ones used by some countries are nothing but useless vagueness. And that's in legalese territory, where that's even worse!

And any definition so vague as to what does or does not qualify in the end has to rely entirely on whoever is responsible for enforcing it, entirely on a case-by-case basis.
And as such, places both too much work and too much power in that person's (or collection of persons) hands, which will with almost absolute certainty lead to abuse.
It can work fine within limited-in-size communities such as this, but on a broad scale such as a societal level? Hell no.

Whatever is "common sense" to you, I guarantee will be at least somewhat different from what it is to me or to any other person in this or any community.

This never gone wrong, specially in (semi-)automated system. It will be abused to hilarious levels.

That's why you should be able to opt out of it if you run a server.
But it should still be there for those who just want the "easiest to deal with" solution.


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 1 Aug 2022 at 12:44 pm UTC

Apparently it can be exploited by letting you add fake messages to make the other person look worse. Here's a proof of concept: github.com/nodusclient/gaslight

Apparently it can be exploited by letting you add fake messages to make the other person look worse. Here's a proof of concept: github.com/nodusclient/gaslight

I thought this was game dev 101 to not trust the client? What has microsoft done to mojangs dev team to allow for such flaws

Alternative: https://www.minetest.net/

Minetest is more of a ham sandwich where minecraft is a fullblown buffet. It doesn't come even remotely close enough yet. Which I find extremely sad, I've been wanting to play mc again for years but I'm not gonna link a ms account.

We all have opinions on this. Though I used to agree with you, my opinion now differs completely. I am going to assume we are talking about java and not bedrock.

-mods/game count
Minetest has many mods built right in to the client for finding and installing them and it is growing quickly with a ton of mods already available.

-mclone game - bedrock
This is where I agree with you. There are things clearly not as nearly as polished. But I dont rank Minetest based on a single clone game based on MC. We gave up on MC once they forced Microsoft accounts, so this MT game has actually worked really well for my kids and family.

-performance
This is no contest. Java MC has become a bloated mess. Even creating a new world is ridiculous for a vanilla game.

-multiplayer
Minetest multiplayer is great. The servers arent as populated but are still enjoyable.

-no required account

-free
On Android and desktop -- and play together on any platform that is supported.

All in all we have gotten used to Minetest and really havent looked back. There were certain MC mods that we miss -- but we hope over time MT continues to improve with mods etc.

Welp, time to host our own authentication servers and be independent from microsoft. Or better yet, use an already established one like ely.by

"Hatespeech" aka "someone was mean to me on the internet" aka "please protect me from different opinions voiced strongly" aka "I'm sure this will never be abused" aka "whatever those in power deem to be unacceptable at this point in time, to be changed later, this is totally not a slippery slope, trust us".

Mmm definitely don't agree there. Huge difference between mean text and hate speech and I think anyone with a bit of common sense can generally tell the difference. There's really no place for hate speech.

Agreed. There's a total difference between the two.

Having a moderation system for a game actively marketed to everyone is fine and I'm a little surprised was not implemented earlier.

hi
this can be abused and will be abused the definition of hate speech is so vague it is practically useless and more than likely there are going to be mods that replace the chat system or players of Minecraft are going to play an older version that doesn't have this Chat Reporting system

this can be abused and will be abused the definition of hate speech is so vague it is practically useless

No.

more than likely there are going to be mods that replace the chat system or players of Minecraft are going to play an older version that doesn't have this Chat Reporting system

who cares.

This entire discussion feels very disingenuous tbh. feels like a bunch of people pretending that manchildren spamming the n-word isnt a thing.


Last edited by Lonsfor on 1 Aug 2022 at 7:17 pm UTC

also all the people moving to minetest because you cant say the nword you will all be the reason similar tools will be made for minetest.

This entire discussion feels very disingenuous tbh. feels like a bunch of people pretending that manchildren spamming the n-word isnt a thing.

And I find your comments to be very disingenuous. It feels like someone pretending that people getting banned from platforms for questionable reasons isn't a thing.

also all the people moving to minetest because you cant say the nword you will all be the reason similar tools will be made for minetest.

What a strawman. As if people move to different games just to write out the nword.

Also no one claimed that people writing hateful stuff in chats doesn't happen. You're trying to derail the discussion here.


Last edited by Beaky on 1 Aug 2022 at 8:37 pm UTC

What a strawman. As if people move to different games just to write out the nword.

i mean people announcing them moving to minetest specifically in response to a chat filter is kinda sus ngl.

You're trying to derail the discussion here.

you dont know what that means lol