Epic Games are killing off a bunch of classics like Unreal Tournament

Quoting: Matombo

Quoting: omer666At least there is now an official line drawn between Epic MegaGames and Epic Games.
As for the master server, as with many late 90s multiplayer FPS, players have been using their own server lists for a long time now.

I just hope that some day, a (yet to be known) dev is going to release titles as groundbreaking as Quake 3 or UT, so that we can live another golden age of the arena shooters...

i would argue that battle royals are somewhat the modern successor of arena shooters. just with more players bigger maps and only last man standing gamemode

think about 100 player ctf in pubg or apex. it could work ...

We already had 64-player CTF in Quake 2...
While battle royals may be fun, it is no Team Death match and the intricate level design we had before is not here either. Add to this the silly cell shaded graphics and the gatcha inspired character rooster, what you get is a no-go for arena FPS players.

As surprising as it may be, the only "recent" FPS that remotely matches my tastes is CS:GO

Quoting: BlackBloodRum"What's the problem with always online DRM?" "It doesn't really affect me, I can still play my games just fine!"

I'd offer this interesting, and maybe more accessible take on the issue. Do note I don't dismiss the point of the FSF or DBD (I still need to add the DBD sticker to my minifree laptop, to give you an idea of my view on it), but it's more accessible to people. "You are being scammed" is more telling than "you may, at some point once the game isn't profitable enough anymore, be screwed". It doesn't address all DRM issues, but at least the always online part.

Back a few years, I remember saying to a friend how great the bundles were and how I wasn't pirating anymore.

Now that I have the real data hoarding capacities I wished for, I guess the seas are calling back.

Quoting: Klaas

Quoting: BlackBloodRumI often hear people say.

You forgot “please add Denuvo” (weird, but the Steam forums of some games are full of it).

That's nuts! Why would anyone; who's not profiting from the game sales, ask for DRM to be added? The phrase should be "please remove Denuvo!"

Quoting: MisterPaytwick

Quoting: BlackBloodRum"What's the problem with always online DRM?" "It doesn't really affect me, I can still play my games just fine!"

I'd offer this interesting, and maybe more accessible take on the issue. Do note I don't dismiss the point of the FSF or DBD (I still need to add the DBD sticker to my minifree laptop, to give you an idea of my view on it), but it's more accessible to people. "You are being scammed" is more telling than "you may, at some point once the game isn't profitable enough anymore, be screwed". It doesn't address all DRM issues, but at least the always online part.

Back a few years, I remember saying to a friend how great the bundles were and how I wasn't pirating anymore.

Now that I have the real data hoarding capacities I wished for, I guess the seas are calling back.

I'm not so different myself.. prior to games working properly on Linux? You wouldn't catch me buying PC games.

On this front, Gabe Newell had it right: "One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue".

Stick a bunch of heavily restrictive DRM on it, force it to not work with my computer or treat me poorly as a customer? Meh. No thanks mate, my monies going elsewhere!

Ironically, it's the same reason I outright refuse to use Epic Store, they heavily peddle their EAC DRM, while on the other hand I will happily buy regularly from Steam, because they support my platform or GOG because they don't peddle restrictive DRM.

We do have to compromise sometimes in order to get said services for a benefit, but those benefits should favour the customer, not the company. I give you my money, you give me good service. Simple as that.

As for stickers, my laptop doesn't have any yet (Boo me!) but my desktop does have a nice fat GNU sticker on it, mostly because I keep getting stickers sent to me from the FSF

Quoting: BlackBloodRumWhy would anyone

Because without it, the poor developers will be robbed, ROBBED, you know, ROBBED!

Quoting: omer666

Quoting: Matombo

Quoting: omer666At least there is now an official line drawn between Epic MegaGames and Epic Games.
As for the master server, as with many late 90s multiplayer FPS, players have been using their own server lists for a long time now.

I just hope that some day, a (yet to be known) dev is going to release titles as groundbreaking as Quake 3 or UT, so that we can live another golden age of the arena shooters...

i would argue that battle royals are somewhat the modern successor of arena shooters. just with more players bigger maps and only last man standing gamemode

think about 100 player ctf in pubg or apex. it could work ...

We already had 64-player CTF in Quake 2...
While battle royals may be fun, it is no Team Death match and the intricate level design we had before is not here either. Add to this the silly cell shaded graphics and the gatcha inspired character rooster, what you get is a no-go for arena FPS players.

As surprising as it may be, the only "recent" FPS that remotely matches my tastes is CS:GO

q3 arena had a very colorfull rooster too
just no microtransactions

on the level design: BRs have very big maps. but at least apex has some thought put into it: the maps feel a little bit like connected arena maps

Quoting: BlackBloodRumIronically, it's the same reason I outright refuse to use Epic Store, they heavily peddle their EAC DRM, while on the other hand I will happily buy regularly from Steam, because they support my platform or GOG because they don't peddle restrictive DRM.

EAC is an Anti-cheat, not DRM. Moreover, they're not "heavily peddling" it, and it's certainly not in every game they sell on EGS as you seem to be implying. Hell, it's not even in every game they make or have a hand in making. Certain Steam games also have EAC too, so this is even more of a strange reason to single out EGS.

I'm sure you have other reasons, but using this one specifically is honestly a bit weird.


Last edited by Dribbleondo on 4 January 2023 at 8:37 pm UTC

Yeah, ironically there's actually less DRM on the Epic store then there is on Steam.

I haven't actually bought anything on Epic yet, but most of the giveaway games I have been interested in runs fine in Wine/Proton without the store client running.