Steam with Linux now available in Tesla cars (Beta)

Quoting: slaapliedjePersonally I'm just enjoying the show; you see I kind of like watching chaos unfold, and watching 'The Left' lose their minds because Twitter is no longer going to be banning / lowering visibility for 'The Right' just makes me giggle.

Mind you, no matter what he might claim he's not in favour of free speech. He's been actively banning leftists from Twitter--not just the random ones where he gets miffed cuz they said rude things about him, but quite a few more quietly at the request of alt-right figures, who are gleefully identifying who to censor. If it's just flipping who gets censored, is that really "chaos"?

Incidentally, "The Left" was never in control of Twitter in the first place. Liberals were, but that's rather a different thing. Actual leftists have always been more likely than the alt-right to get dropped off Twitter, Facebook, or any likelihood of showing up on Google searches. Much the way the US "liberal" media always tried way harder to sideline Sanders or the Green party than Trump or the alt-right, who always got tons of publicity.

All that said, with a couple of high-profile exceptions around stuff like Hunter Biden's laptop, Twitter never particularly went after the right as such. They went after the uncivil and threatening . . . just happens that the alt-right are more uncivil and threatening than liberals are. It's kind of like the way more than 90% of political violence in the United States is done by the far right. You see a politically motivated killing it's almost always someone on the far right. So then if some right winger comes along and says it's not fair, leftists should get arrested for terrorism just as much as rightists . . . well, no. So, sure, rules against being threatening and violently uncivil are in a sense fundamentally unfair to the right. But most threatening and uncivil stuff isn't political at all, or at least not overtly political, and a platform has to put a lid on it or you get tons of cyberbullying and doxxing and stuff.

So basically, any forum for discussion, in order to function decently and not turn into a hellscape, pretty much has to discriminate against the far right as a byproduct of what they do to make the forum work. There are two ways for the far right to avoid this problem: First, set up their own little spaces where they can be as horrible as they want, which is what they mostly do (and what Musk is now trying to turn Twitter into; he may be so successful it goes bankrupt). Or second, not act like total pricks. But would they still even be far right if they did that? It's a dilemma for the right, but I don't care.


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 15 December 2022 at 12:55 am UTC

Quoting: slaapliedjeGuess it depends on who you believe, as I haven't actually looked more into this myself. But there are videos out there showing that he really had nothing to do with inventing the Tesla cars (which I agree with, as the actual engineers are not named Musk) and that he more or less finagled his way into being the CEO of Tesla, and managed to get tagged in as the one who really brought it into being. More or less he inserted himself into that role.

No doubt, but still, I remember hearing about Teslas when all the Teslas in existence were a few Tesla Roadsters and Tesla didn't even really have a factory, and Musk was already the guy you heard about. So it's fairly clear he was very thoroughly involved in bringing Tesla from a pretty marginal concern that was a longshot to succeed in a field full of barriers to entry and big, ruthless companies very much not interested in new competition, to being a really big company that mass manufactures cars worldwide and has those existing big, ruthless car companies running scared. This is not something that happens every day, or totally by accident; it's not like there have never been any other plucky little aspiring car companies, electric or otherwise, and where are they all? I think it's pretty clear he knew a lot more about how to get an electric car company to succeed than he knows about Twitter or politics. Unfortunately another thing he doesn't seem good at knowing is, what he doesn't know about.

Quoting: Guestwhat's the point of having a computer in a car, aside from increasing global microelectronics demand? I can understand ABS and other safety assistance, but relying on tecnology so much makes us too vulnerable, especially when all this hardware can be remotely controlled of blocked at vendor's will.

i think the point is being able to do whatever you want with your computer, that just happen to be embed to an car to control it so you can have auto pilot.


i can understand the security concers, if they have any hole in the sandbox that could be disastrous, but in genral we trust linux and virtual machines to be secure enough... to put our lives at risk with tons of uncessary systems running in the same system even when they arent nescessary?

Quoting: MalJust another portable gaming device.

i dont know the category but i think it count as "mobile" gaming ;)

Quoting: jordicoma- Sorry boss, I cannot go to work because I have no battery left after playing all day.
No, the car has to be a car, not a gaming pc. I prefer having less technology at the car and having more battery life.

i doubt it use thaat much battery.
maybe you lose 1km , but if you didnt prepared yourself to refill the battery in a long driving session to the point that 1km was an issue, then you cant blame the car really.

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: jordicoma- Sorry boss, I cannot go to work because I have no battery left after playing all day.
No, the car has to be a car, not a gaming pc. I prefer having less technology at the car and having more battery life.

i doubt it use thaat much battery.
maybe you lose 1km , but if you didnt prepared yourself to refill the battery in a long driving session to the point that 1km was an issue, then you cant blame the car really.

Heat and AC will use up a LOT more battery than the onboard processors ever will.

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MalJust another portable gaming device.

i dont know the category but i think it count as "mobile" gaming ;)

It is not only a portable device, it is a complete new type of gamingdevice, a driveable gamingdevice.

What can potentially go wrong😁


Last edited by ripper81358 on 15 December 2022 at 4:06 am UTC

Quoting: jordicoma

Quoting: whizseTurn the windscreen into a monitor. Turn the steering wheel into an input device. Not a bad rig for a driving sim!

And with realistic crashes!

Lol, i know you're kidding -- the car enters into a special locked "gaming" mode. (I think you have to double tap the brake or some combo to unlock)

Having said that, it does feel extremely weird playing racing games with a Tesla wheel.

Let me be frank:

If I were to make the traffic laws, any screens in cars would be forbidden due to safety concerns (backlight distracts drivers, and any reflections of said backlight on the car windows are potentially deadly). Touch screens even more so. You can find a physical button without looking, simply by your sense of touch. This does not work on a touchscreen.

In addition, steering wheels would have to have a mechanical connection to the wheels at all times. Same for brakes. That stuff must be fail-safe. It cannot rely on the presence of electrical power, functioning power-steering, etc.

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: slaapliedjePersonally I'm just enjoying the show; you see I kind of like watching chaos unfold, and watching 'The Left' lose their minds because Twitter is no longer going to be banning / lowering visibility for 'The Right' just makes me giggle.

Mind you, no matter what he might claim he's not in favour of free speech. He's been actively banning leftists from Twitter--not just the random ones where he gets miffed cuz they said rude things about him, but quite a few more quietly at the request of alt-right figures, who are gleefully identifying who to censor. If it's just flipping who gets censored, is that really "chaos"?

Incidentally, "The Left" was never in control of Twitter in the first place. Liberals were, but that's rather a different thing. Actual leftists have always been more likely than the alt-right to get dropped off Twitter, Facebook, or any likelihood of showing up on Google searches. Much the way the US "liberal" media always tried way harder to sideline Sanders or the Green party than Trump or the alt-right, who always got tons of publicity.

All that said, with a couple of high-profile exceptions around stuff like Hunter Biden's laptop, Twitter never particularly went after the right as such. They went after the uncivil and threatening . . . just happens that the alt-right are more uncivil and threatening than liberals are. It's kind of like the way more than 90% of political violence in the United States is done by the far right. You see a politically motivated killing it's almost always someone on the far right. So then if some right winger comes along and says it's not fair, leftists should get arrested for terrorism just as much as rightists . . . well, no. So, sure, rules against being threatening and violently uncivil are in a sense fundamentally unfair to the right. But most threatening and uncivil stuff isn't political at all, or at least not overtly political, and a platform has to put a lid on it or you get tons of cyberbullying and doxxing and stuff.

So basically, any forum for discussion, in order to function decently and not turn into a hellscape, pretty much has to discriminate against the far right as a byproduct of what they do to make the forum work. There are two ways for the far right to avoid this problem: First, set up their own little spaces where they can be as horrible as they want, which is what they mostly do (and what Musk is now trying to turn Twitter into; he may be so successful it goes bankrupt). Or second, not act like total pricks. But would they still even be far right if they did that? It's a dilemma for the right, but I don't care.

My advice to anyone has always been 'extremism is bad, no matter which way you lean.' Unfortunately since so many people react before they think; you end up with a scale that leans one way too far, so then the other side tries striking back with a bigger pile of crap, so that the scales will then lean in their favor. There needs to be a balance. At least George Lucas understood that. :P