A new real controller from ASUS is on the way with the ROG Raikiri Pro that features an OLED display, plus Dell get weird with the Concept Nyx from CES 2023.
Let's start with the real stuff shall we? ASUS have made the ROG Raikiri Pro, while it's for Xbox you know how it goes — Linux ends up supporting it anyway (and Steam Input no doubt will too). This has a built-in OLED display for some reason, with customizable animations, status indicators and more. It can also connect via USB-C, 2.4 GHz RF or Bluetooth, multiple buttons on the back and triggers that can have the triggers with short or full range modes.
Could be quite interesting? Although all the special extras would no doubt need someone to come up with a way to do it all on Linux too.
Then we have the really weird with the Dell Concept Nyx. It's not actually a real thing, although they have made and shown off some prototypes at CES. This is not really a controller you would use with a normal PC or even on another console, as it's designed to go along with the whole Concept Nyx system which is sort-of like a shared server that does everything for multiple people across different screens.
With the Concept Nyx Game Controller they added a finger print sensor to the middle of it, added dual-thumb scroll wheels to the bottom of it, put some paddles on the back and replaced the D-pad with what they call an Omnipad.
With the finger print reader, they suggest it's a way for it to quickly read your print and load everything up. Not exactly wild, since finger print readers exist for PC right now but on a controller to quickly get you into something when sharing the same controller with others? Interesting.
Dell also said they're experiment with "haptics and self-adjusting variable resistance thumb sticks" that can be adjusted to your liking, or be specific to each game. The touch pad sounds a little bit more like what we've seen on the Steam Deck, giving you access to a lot more options that can be configured.
The way they talk about it honestly makes it sound like something from a sci-fi film, with it being able to do entirely unique split-screen modes with each side having a different game and more. Sounds like something that in reality, will never become a real product, at least not any time soon.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Quoting: LoftyQuoting: M@GOidNot what I am looking for right now. Since I'm riding the indie wave, what I need is a decent D-Pad. And those that are under the analog simply wont do, no matter how good the actual pad is. Location location location. I have a Dual Shock 4, but the D-pad is unbearable for those of us that had tasted Nintendo's finest.
I was about to get a 8bitdo Pro 2, but after their recent releases, I have the gut feeling a "Pro 3" is in the works. So for now I'm using a original N64 controller with a USB adapter. Those things have great D-Pads that nobody used back then, so mine is like new, despite having been manufactured 25 years ago.
My advice is to not get the pro 2, i have this and the buttons stick and creak. the triggers are too easy to press (like almost no resistance) the dpad is meh. not only that it has not been very compatible for me at all even on xinput mode, some proton games will not work even when its supposed to be set as an xbox controller. Oddly only the switch emulation works well in these cases but then the buttons are mapped incorrectly. Ohh and i cannot get anything to recognise the back under side paddle buttons.. and .. yes there is more .. the rumble barely works on most games if at all. If you want a controller like an xbox controller get an xbox controller.
However its not all bad for 8bitdo if your after a retro/indie game wave where you only need a really good d-pad and a decent set of face buttons (no analogue or rumble) then the M30 model (that looks like a megadrive controller) is much better built and the d-pad is excellent.
I actually had to double-check which gamepad you're writing about, because it's so weird how much our experience differs. The Pro 2 has been hands down the best controller I've ever owned. The buttons are responsive and quiet. The triggers aren't very stiff but they provide just the right amount of resistance for fine control. The D-pad isn't too bad either. And compatibility in X-input mode (with Steam Input and outside of steam) has been excellent. Maybe we don't play the same games?
The paddles on the bottom don't work, that's true. But you can only set them to double as face buttons even on Windows apparently. Doesn't sound very useful. And about rumble, I'll take your word for that one. I've never seen the point of controller vibration so I always disable it.
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Quoting: tuubiQuoting: LoftyQuoting: M@GOidNot what I am looking for right now. Since I'm riding the indie wave, what I need is a decent D-Pad. And those that are under the analog simply wont do, no matter how good the actual pad is. Location location location. I have a Dual Shock 4, but the D-pad is unbearable for those of us that had tasted Nintendo's finest.
I was about to get a 8bitdo Pro 2, but after their recent releases, I have the gut feeling a "Pro 3" is in the works. So for now I'm using a original N64 controller with a USB adapter. Those things have great D-Pads that nobody used back then, so mine is like new, despite having been manufactured 25 years ago.
My advice is to not get the pro 2, i have this and the buttons stick and creak. the triggers are too easy to press (like almost no resistance) the dpad is meh. not only that it has not been very compatible for me at all even on xinput mode, some proton games will not work even when its supposed to be set as an xbox controller. Oddly only the switch emulation works well in these cases but then the buttons are mapped incorrectly. Ohh and i cannot get anything to recognise the back under side paddle buttons.. and .. yes there is more .. the rumble barely works on most games if at all. If you want a controller like an xbox controller get an xbox controller.
However its not all bad for 8bitdo if your after a retro/indie game wave where you only need a really good d-pad and a decent set of face buttons (no analogue or rumble) then the M30 model (that looks like a megadrive controller) is much better built and the d-pad is excellent.
I actually had to double-check which gamepad you're writing about, because it's so weird how much our experience differs. The Pro 2 has been hands down the best controller I've ever owned. The buttons are responsive and quiet. The triggers aren't very stiff but they provide just the right amount of resistance for fine control. The D-pad isn't too bad either. And compatibility in X-input mode (with Steam Input and outside of steam) has been excellent. Maybe we don't play the same games?
The paddles on the bottom don't work, that's true. But you can only set them to double as face buttons even on Windows apparently. Doesn't sound very useful. And about rumble, I'll take your word for that one. I've never seen the point of controller vibration so I always disable it.
The bottom paddles are there so you don't need to leave the right analog stick to press a face button. They work great in FPS games. I have them on the Steam Controller, BTW.
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Quoting: LoftyQuoting: M@GOidNot what I am looking for right now. Since I'm riding the indie wave, what I need is a decent D-Pad. And those that are under the analog simply wont do, no matter how good the actual pad is. Location location location. I have a Dual Shock 4, but the D-pad is unbearable for those of us that had tasted Nintendo's finest.
I was about to get a 8bitdo Pro 2, but after their recent releases, I have the gut feeling a "Pro 3" is in the works. So for now I'm using a original N64 controller with a USB adapter. Those things have great D-Pads that nobody used back then, so mine is like new, despite having been manufactured 25 years ago.
My advice is to not get the pro 2, i have this and the buttons stick and creak. the triggers are too easy to press (like almost no resistance) the dpad is meh. not only that it has not been very compatible for me at all even on xinput mode, some proton games will not work even when its supposed to be set as an xbox controller. Oddly only the switch emulation works well in these cases but then the buttons are mapped incorrectly. Ohh and i cannot get anything to recognise the back under side paddle buttons.. and .. yes there is more .. the rumble barely works on most games if at all. If you want a controller like an xbox controller get an xbox controller.
However its not all bad for 8bitdo if your after a retro/indie game wave where you only need a really good d-pad and a decent set of face buttons (no analogue or rumble) then the M30 model (that looks like a megadrive controller) is much better built and the d-pad is excellent.
Looks like you got a lemon, since this is the first time I see someone saying those things about the Pro 2. Or maybe you had a very high standard for noise? In my collection, the Xbox360 is the quietest. Is this the one you had before?
Personally, I like light triggers, since this is the norm nowadays and I cannot go back for the very hard ones in the XBox 360 and Logitech F710.
Compatibility of gamepads nowadays is a hit or miss unfortunately, since some games do not implement Steam Input nor SDL2. Of all my controllers, only the XB360 and F710 had near perfect compatibility. The Dualshock4, Xbone and Steam Controller all had some (or multiple) games that refuse to recognize them.
As for the M30, while I do like the Saturn gamepad format (I also have one and the Dreamcast one with a adapter!), I do prefer the Nintendo D-pad more.
So in the end I think I will wait. I have too much gamepads already and the next one must check all the right points, otherwise I will stick with what I already have.
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Quoting: M@GOidF710Really? I've had to jump through a lot of hoops to get Lego Batman (without Steam) to recognize my wired Logitech gamepad.
Edit: To clarify: I've always assumed that there is no gamepad that works in every game.
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Quoting: KlaasQuoting: M@GOidF710Really? I've had to jump through a lot of hoops to get Lego Batman (without Steam) to recognize my wired Logitech gamepad.
Edit: To clarify: I've always assumed that there is no gamepad that works in every game.
I also said "nearly perfect" :-)
So you found another game to stain the reputation of the Logitech gamepads. I had encountered only one game in my 200+ library that didn't recognized it, but worked fine with the XB360.
Also, the only game that didn't worked with the XB360 (wired), the undisputed champion of compatibility, is Grow Home, but it had a crocked Linux port anyway. Only way to make a gamepad work with it was to use Steam Input to send keyboard presses to it.
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soulsource Jan 6, 2023
QuoteConcept Nyx system which is sort-of like a shared server that does everything for multiple people across different screens.
Wait, have they just "invented" X11?
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Quoting: tuubiQuoting: LoftyQuoting: M@GOidNot what I am looking for right now. Since I'm riding the indie wave, what I need is a decent D-Pad. And those that are under the analog simply wont do, no matter how good the actual pad is. Location location location. I have a Dual Shock 4, but the D-pad is unbearable for those of us that had tasted Nintendo's finest.
I was about to get a 8bitdo Pro 2, but after their recent releases, I have the gut feeling a "Pro 3" is in the works. So for now I'm using a original N64 controller with a USB adapter. Those things have great D-Pads that nobody used back then, so mine is like new, despite having been manufactured 25 years ago.
My advice is to not get the pro 2, i have this and the buttons stick and creak. the triggers are too easy to press (like almost no resistance) the dpad is meh. not only that it has not been very compatible for me at all even on xinput mode, some proton games will not work even when its supposed to be set as an xbox controller. Oddly only the switch emulation works well in these cases but then the buttons are mapped incorrectly. Ohh and i cannot get anything to recognise the back under side paddle buttons.. and .. yes there is more .. the rumble barely works on most games if at all. If you want a controller like an xbox controller get an xbox controller.
However its not all bad for 8bitdo if your after a retro/indie game wave where you only need a really good d-pad and a decent set of face buttons (no analogue or rumble) then the M30 model (that looks like a megadrive controller) is much better built and the d-pad is excellent.
I actually had to double-check which gamepad you're writing about, because it's so weird how much our experience differs. The Pro 2 has been hands down the best controller I've ever owned. The buttons are responsive and quiet. The triggers aren't very stiff but they provide just the right amount of resistance for fine control. The D-pad isn't too bad either. And compatibility in X-input mode (with Steam Input and outside of steam) has been excellent. Maybe we don't play the same games?
The paddles on the bottom don't work, that's true. But you can only set them to double as face buttons even on Windows apparently. Doesn't sound very useful. And about rumble, I'll take your word for that one. I've never seen the point of controller vibration so I always disable it.
so most of my points still stand. But the first ones might be that i have a poor quality unit, but that doesn't say much for quality control. there are a few threads out there about the varying quality of the pro 2, and 8bitdo hardware in general.
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So Asus decided to reinvent the controller screen that Dreamcast already tried with very low success? Even the Wii U game pad was a gimmick with very few real useful applications like the Super Mario Maker builder.
The only time that I see dual screen working for me is when they are so close next to each other that you don't need to stop looking at one to use the other, being that a multimonitor setup in PC or something like the DS/3DS where you can use both screens at the same time without diverting your attention from the other.
The only time that I see dual screen working for me is when they are so close next to each other that you don't need to stop looking at one to use the other, being that a multimonitor setup in PC or something like the DS/3DS where you can use both screens at the same time without diverting your attention from the other.
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Quoting: M@GOid...
QuoteLooks like you got a lemon, since this is the first time I see someone saying those things about the Pro 2.
it probably is a lemon, but the quality control is not as high as the OG xbox controller imo. But then again it is cheaper. search for 'sticky buttons' on 8bitdo controllers. its the rubber that seems to be getting stuck or worn easily. They may of fixed this for the pro 3 though.
QuoteOr maybe you had a very high standard for noise? In my collection, the Xbox360 is the quietest. Is this the one you had before?
yes.
QuotePersonally, I like light triggers, since this is the norm nowadays and I cannot go back for the very hard ones in the XBox 360 and Logitech F710.
for racing games i love the OG PS3 triggers they feel more like a accelerator pedal. I suppose for fast FPS ( but why use a controller for that) the pro 2 is good for that instant response and so yea i could see how a xbox or ps3 would be too hard.
it's user preference.
QuoteCompatibility of gamepads nowadays is a hit or miss unfortunately, since some games do not implement Steam Input nor SDL2. Of all my controllers, only the XB360 and F710 had near perfect compatibility. The Dualshock4, Xbone and Steam Controller all had some (or multiple) games that refuse to recognize them.
yup. it still seems that the OG xbox controller is the best for compatibility. but i have had other replica xbox (original) controllers that were more compatible than the pro 2.
QuoteAs for the M30, while I do like the Saturn gamepad format (I also have one and the Dreamcast one with a adapter!), I do prefer the Nintendo D-pad more. So in the end I think I will wait. I have too much gamepads already and the next one must check all the right points, otherwise I will stick with what I already have.
A good game pad is like gold dust. I always used to think they were all just about the same, but no its about getting a good one and then the one you get has to be made properly and supported on your platform of choice. why is everything so complicated these days (shouts at cloud like a grumpy old man)
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