AYANEO, maker of some pretty popular gaming handhelds, announced that their own Linux operating system for their devices will be released this year. While we've seen others looking to the public release of SteamOS 3 that powers the Steam Deck (like GPD and OneXPlayer), AYANEO seem to want to "do a Valve" and have that extra level of control directly.
On Twitter their announcement was quite simple noting:
AYASpace will be upgrade and improved and also AYASpace 2 is under development which will be released in 2023 !
What's more, new feature "Community" will be added to AYASpace APP.Even more exciting, AYANEO OS goes live in 2023 as well 🥳
Expect official news announced soon ~
When they previously talked about the Linux-based AYANEO OS, they said "AYANEO team loves games and game consoles as well. In the process of creating the best Windows handheld in the world, they found that the existing operating system in the new form of PC handheld still has many poor experiences, and even some problems that we can't be solved. In order to allow everyone to enjoy the game and the handheld hardware better, AYANEO has launched the AYANEO OS, which is based on the Linux system and developed exclusively." and they mentioned clearly they would be using Proton too.
They recently finished their IndieGoGo crowdfunding campaign for the AYANEO 2 and the GEEK model, both of which come with an AMD Ryzen 6800U. They had 2,680 people give over their monies to help fund them, with their IndieGoGo now switching to in-demand which is basically like another way to pre-order the devices. So while successful for AYANEO at $3,157,147 currently in total, it's an absolutely tiny fraction of what the Steam Deck has sold which was over a 1 million units back in October last year (that was even before launching in some Asian regions).
If I hear any more, I'll let you know.
2023 is clearly the year of Linux gaming handhelds huh?
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Well, that's my point - we've looped back around to the same old thing.since the cost of living was so high back then. . . unlike now, of course . . .
I just wonder if the same old thing will work in gaming this time around!
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WyattTurpin Jan 19, 2023
It was only a matter of time. This is the best decision they could have made. Make the device easier to use, easier to sell and easier to optimize. By the looks of things, Linux will win in the gaming market. Next Stop: The Workstation!
(I am working on that one)
(I am working on that one)
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I can see why they’d want to do that. I wouldn’t touch Valve’s non-free OS either. But I bet their’s won’t be free as well…
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I can see why they’d want to do that. I wouldn’t touch Valve’s non-free OS either. But I bet their’s won’t be free as well…I'll bite. So, "non-free OS" in what sense?
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Huh? What else could it mean in a GNU/Linux website? I commend you for being so dedicated to free software that you forgot all about proprietary software. But just to refresh, non-free software is software that’s not freedom respecting as in proprietary software as in software that does not grant you your four essential freedoms.I can see why they’d want to do that. I wouldn’t touch Valve’s non-free OS either. But I bet their’s won’t be free as well…I'll bite. So, "non-free OS" in what sense?
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Yes. I'm saying, in what sense is SteamOS that?Huh? What else could it mean in a GNU/Linux website? I commend you for being so dedicated to free software that you forgot all about proprietary software. But just to refresh, non-free software is software that’s not freedom respecting as in proprietary software as in software that does not grant you your four essential freedoms.I can see why they’d want to do that. I wouldn’t touch Valve’s non-free OS either. But I bet their’s won’t be free as well…I'll bite. So, "non-free OS" in what sense?
The Steam platform itself, for buying and managing games from Valve, is non-free. But your comment is the first time I've ever seen anyone claim that the OS is non-free, so I was wondering if you had some particular basis for saying it. As far as I understand, SteamOS is a perfectly normal Linux distro, based on snapshots of Arch and using KDE as the desktop environment. I haven't heard anyone say that the source code is unavailable or that they've tried to re-license anything.
The platform and the OS are different. Technically, you could buy a Steam Deck, rip out Steam but leave SteamOS in, and play everything except Steam games on it.
So. In what sense is the OS non-free?
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I can see why they’d want to do that. I wouldn’t touch Valve’s non-free OS either. But I bet their’s won’t be free as well…One funny thing is, the Ayaneo thing will probably have a Free OS (because it's way easier), which will be different from Valve's Free OS, and which might include bits of secret sauce (unlike Valve's Free OS as far as I can tell), but which probably will ship with Valve's non-free platform because they'd be fools not to make it easy to play most of the games on a game machine. So most likely they will skip Valve's free offering but use Valve's non-free thing.
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Aside from the obvious fact that the main interface, the Steam client, is non-free that always runs in the background, Valve keeps most of the distro closed source unlike the previous Steam OS versions. But I’m not too considered about that because there is already lots of work in making bunch of the great features of the Steam deck into other distros like gamescope and immutability in Fedora. You won’t be limited to Valve’s non-free offering for your Steam deck.Yes. I'm saying, in what sense is SteamOS that?Huh? What else could it mean in a GNU/Linux website? I commend you for being so dedicated to free software that you forgot all about proprietary software. But just to refresh, non-free software is software that’s not freedom respecting as in proprietary software as in software that does not grant you your four essential freedoms.I can see why they’d want to do that. I wouldn’t touch Valve’s non-free OS either. But I bet their’s won’t be free as well…I'll bite. So, "non-free OS" in what sense?
The Steam platform itself, for buying and managing games from Valve, is non-free. But your comment is the first time I've ever seen anyone claim that the OS is non-free, so I was wondering if you had some particular basis for saying it. As far as I understand, SteamOS is a perfectly normal Linux distro, based on snapshots of Arch and using KDE as the desktop environment. I haven't heard anyone say that the source code is unavailable or that they've tried to re-license anything.
The platform and the OS are different. Technically, you could buy a Steam Deck, rip out Steam but leave SteamOS in, and play everything except Steam games on it.
So. In what sense is the OS non-free?
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Aside from the obvious fact that the main interface, the Steam client, is non-free that always runs in the background, Valve keeps most of the distro closed source unlike the previous Steam OS versions.Yeah, you're asserting that. But it doesn't jibe with anything else I've ever heard about the current SteamOS. So I'm asking you to provide a bit of chapter and verse about, in what sense, in what way, is Valve "keeping most of the distro closed source"? What is it you claim they are doing?
Do you claim that they have made changes to Arch files they downloaded, but kept the nature of the changes secret? Do you claim they have re-licensed GPL Linux code they are using to some closed license? Do you claim they have bribed the FSF not to sue them for any of this? What exactly are you saying?
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Yeah, you're asserting that. But it doesn't jibe with anything else I've ever heard about the current SteamOS. So I'm asking you to provide a bit of chapter and verse about, in what sense, in what way, is Valve "keeping most of the distro closed source"? What is it you claim they are doing?I seriously don’t know what that means. The opposite of providing source code, I guess? It’s not that hard. There is either source code or not. It doesn’t have to “jibe” with anything.
Valve uses their own packages and repo for Steam OS. And besides the very few packages that they rarely update in public, everything else is not to be found, but there are definitely plenty of other GPL programs. Maybe you know where they are :)
Do you claim that they have made changes to Arch files they downloaded, but kept the nature of the changes secret? Do you claim they have re-licensed GPL Linux code they are using to some closed license? Do you claim they have bribed the FSF not to sue them for any of this? What exactly are you saying?That’s literally… none sense. Only the copyright owner can do that, so they’re just violating it. They can only keep this up till one of them threatens vlave. See Trump’s Mastodon clone.
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mr-victory Jan 23, 2023
everything else is not to be foundAFAIK you need a GitLab account to view some of the source:
https://gitlab.steamos.cloud/users/sign_in
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Gee. Three paragraphs without really saying anything. It would appear you don't actually know anything about whether your claim is true or what it would mean if it was.Yeah, you're asserting that. But it doesn't jibe with anything else I've ever heard about the current SteamOS. So I'm asking you to provide a bit of chapter and verse about, in what sense, in what way, is Valve "keeping most of the distro closed source"? What is it you claim they are doing?I seriously don’t know what that means. The opposite of providing source code, I guess? It’s not that hard. There is either source code or not. It doesn’t have to “jibe” with anything.
Valve uses their own packages and repo for Steam OS. And besides the very few packages that they rarely update in public, everything else is not to be found, but there are definitely plenty of other GPL programs. Maybe you know where they are :)
Do you claim that they have made changes to Arch files they downloaded, but kept the nature of the changes secret? Do you claim they have re-licensed GPL Linux code they are using to some closed license? Do you claim they have bribed the FSF not to sue them for any of this? What exactly are you saying?That’s literally… none sense. Only the copyright owner can do that, so they’re just violating it. They can only keep this up till one of them threatens vlave. See Trump’s Mastodon clone.
So. The FSF, the Free Software Foundation, holds the copyrights for important chunks of Linux. You know how some people like to call Linux Gnu/Linux? So yeah, the FSF holds the copyright to the GNU part, and a few other things, and have I believe also been asked by some other copyright holders to help them out with copyright enforcement in the event of infringement. So if someone began to distribute a version of Linux in a way that violated the GPL, that would be General Public License, a copyright license used by Linux which does not allow non-free releases of it, it is very likely that lawyers from the FSF would be in touch with them. Initially to explain to them how the license worked and why their actions put them in violation and how they could go about complying with the license, but if that failed things would get sticky. They have done this before; it is one of the key functions of the Free Software Foundation.
For the non-GNU portions of Linux, or for KDE, there are other foundations, in the case of Linux with fairly deep pockets, which would be likely to take similar action. Then there's Linus himself, who wouldn't be amused, takes no shit, and who may be personally only moderately prosperous but if he felt the need to crowdfund some lawyer's fees to defend the GPL he would suddenly have many, many dollars. So, nobody can really release a non-free Linux distribution without getting in a heap of legal trouble (and having it hit industry headlines pretty damn fast).
Valve certainly wouldn't be stupid enough to try it. So in the absence of some fairly serious and specific information I am concluding you are mistaken.
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Why do you keep bringing the FSF up? How are they relevant here? If I own the copyright of a project I can do whatever I want with it even if I distribute it with GPL. I can get legal help from them, or my lawyer, or whoever I want. But fact of the matter is that it's my copyright, not the FSF's.Gee. Three paragraphs without really saying anything. It would appear you don't actually know anything about whether your claim is true or what it would mean if it was.Yeah, you're asserting that. But it doesn't jibe with anything else I've ever heard about the current SteamOS. So I'm asking you to provide a bit of chapter and verse about, in what sense, in what way, is Valve "keeping most of the distro closed source"? What is it you claim they are doing?I seriously don’t know what that means. The opposite of providing source code, I guess? It’s not that hard. There is either source code or not. It doesn’t have to “jibe” with anything.
Valve uses their own packages and repo for Steam OS. And besides the very few packages that they rarely update in public, everything else is not to be found, but there are definitely plenty of other GPL programs. Maybe you know where they are :)
Do you claim that they have made changes to Arch files they downloaded, but kept the nature of the changes secret? Do you claim they have re-licensed GPL Linux code they are using to some closed license? Do you claim they have bribed the FSF not to sue them for any of this? What exactly are you saying?That’s literally… none sense. Only the copyright owner can do that, so they’re just violating it. They can only keep this up till one of them threatens vlave. See Trump’s Mastodon clone.
So. The FSF, the Free Software Foundation, holds the copyrights for important chunks of Linux. You know how some people like to call Linux Gnu/Linux? So yeah, the FSF holds the copyright to the GNU part, and a few other things, and have I believe also been asked by some other copyright holders to help them out with copyright enforcement in the event of infringement. So if someone began to distribute a version of Linux in a way that violated the GPL, that would be General Public License, a copyright license used by Linux which does not allow non-free releases of it, it is very likely that lawyers from the FSF would be in touch with them. Initially to explain to them how the license worked and why their actions put them in violation and how they could go about complying with the license, but if that failed things would get sticky. They have done this before; it is one of the key functions of the Free Software Foundation.
For the non-GNU portions of Linux, or for KDE, there are other foundations, in the case of Linux with fairly deep pockets, which would be likely to take similar action. Then there's Linus himself, who wouldn't be amused, takes no shit, and who may be personally only moderately prosperous but if he felt the need to crowdfund some lawyer's fees to defend the GPL he would suddenly have many, many dollars. So, nobody can really release a non-free Linux distribution without getting in a heap of legal trouble (and having it hit industry headlines pretty damn fast).
Valve certainly wouldn't be stupid enough to try it. So in the absence of some fairly serious and specific information I am concluding you are mistaken.
Valve certainly wouldn't be stupid enough to try it. So in the absence of some fairly serious and specific information I am concluding you are mistaken.You got that right, there is some serious information missing that are called source code, and so far the only thing you've provided are words. But apparently I'm mistaken because
Purple Library Guy concluded so on the basis that "Valve wouldn't be stupid."
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btw, it was right here all along. everything's back in order now :)
https://steamdeck-packages.steamos.cloud/archlinux-mirror/
https://steamdeck-packages.steamos.cloud/archlinux-mirror/
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Why do you keep bringing the FSF up? How are they relevant here? If I own the copyrightTry reading for comprehension, like the bit where I explained how they hold some of the copyrights involved.
Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 23 January 2023 at 3:56 pm UTC
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btw, it was right here all along. everything's back in order now :)So . . . you were completely wrong, there was no basis for what you said, I was completely right in assuming you had no such basis, and yet to the end of your comments you were still coming off all arrogant at me?
https://steamdeck-packages.steamos.cloud/archlinux-mirror/
That's impressive, in a perverse way.
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slaapliedje Jan 23, 2023
btw, it was right here all along. everything's back in order now :)Yeah, but... you still haven't explained how the OS itself is non-free...
https://steamdeck-packages.steamos.cloud/archlinux-mirror/
All the bits that need to be free are. Immutable operating systems isn't a new thing. The AtariVCS uses a similar set up, and it is based upon apertis, https://www.apertis.org/
Slap on an open source operating system, slap on your own UI, and you have a system. Hell, Android does the same thing, and been doing it for years. Just because you are using a Linux kernel doesn't mean you can't have a closed source UI on top of it.
Also of note, the GamepadUI is not always running in the background on the Steam Deck, you can run in desktop mode without it.
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Try reading for comprehension, like the bit where I explained how they hold some of the copyrights involved.You should try reading for comprehension. They had zero relevance in the discussion aside from the fact that they wrote GPL. And even then, not everything in steamos is GPL…
So . . . you were completely wrong, there was no basis for what you said, I was completely right in assuming you had no such basis, and yet to the end of your comments you were still coming off all arrogant at me?I stated what was available. You’re the one making claims that it’s free with no basis (no source packages). I kept looking everywhere to find these while you kept repeating the equivalent of “yeah valve is big, so we don’t question it.”
That's impressive, in a perverse way.
Yeah, but... you still haven't explained how the OS itself is non-free...Didn’t you see those source packages from the link? That’s free in my book.
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mr-victory Jan 23, 2023
Just putting this link here, for the sake of license:
https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download/?ver=steamdeck&snr=
https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download/?ver=steamdeck&snr=
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