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I thought we were supposed to be mad at Payday 2 for dropping the native Linux port

Game still holds up? Last I played it in 2016 I think.

Quoting: lukas333Game still holds up?

Obviously. It's a game about hold-ups

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: WoodlandorI thought we were supposed to be mad at Payday 2 for dropping the native Linux port

My impression is that Liam thinks that people upset about them dropping the native port for Proton are elitist, because it shouldn't matter whether or not it's native, as long as we can run the game.

That’s not what I’ve said. I understand that people will be upset about a Native port being dropped. But there’s a difference between playing games because games are fun, and people who just refuse to play a game because of Proton - my point is about Native zealot behaviour. Do whatever you want, it matters not to me and I will continue to cover all ways of gaming on Linux.

Quoting: WoodlandorI thought we were supposed to be mad at Payday 2 for dropping the native Linux port

This was meant as sarcasm to be clear.
As long as it remains playable somehow I don’t have any strong feeling either way.

Quoting: lukas333Game still holds up? Last I played it in 2016 I think.

It does not hold up IMO, not because they dropped native support but because it’s a poorly made game.

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: WoodlandorI thought we were supposed to be mad at Payday 2 for dropping the native Linux port

My impression is that Liam thinks that people upset about them dropping the native port for Proton are elitist, because it shouldn't matter whether or not it's native, as long as we can run the game.

That’s not what I’ve said. I understand that people will be upset about a Native port being dropped. But there’s a difference between playing games because games are fun, and people who just refuse to play a game because of Proton - my point is about Native zealot behaviour. Do whatever you want, it matters not to me and I will continue to cover all ways of gaming on Linux.

There's a lot of Native vs Proton discourse; the former extreme treat proton as a crutch that stifles the gaming scene for Linux (despite Proton getting the attention of Epic, EA, Ubisoft etc.), the latters' extreme see's it as a magic bullet that can fix everything (while also curiously ignoring all the times Proton just doesn't work or is just straight-up worse).

The issue with Payday 2 in this case is complicated by the fact that the game is being dropped three months before it's EOL, as Payday 3 is launching in September. It comes off as making the userbase feel disposable, something which I've championed Overkill in the past at avoiding doing by making the Native port run well AND keep it updated, even when in a worse financial position. And in a strange twist, it's not just us Linux nerds angry at Overkill; I've chatted with a fair few Windows' peeps now who aren't exactly happy with them breaking Linux support, even if it doesn't affect them, as the end result has made the game categorically worse. There are whole movements to downgrade to older updates in protest too.

In my opinion, Proton is very much a useful tool to me, I use it to play Hitman 3 (and did so with Hitman 2), and my success rate has been more success that failure. But it's not perfect, nor the bane of human existance, and neither sides' zealots should treat it as such.

I'm starting to understand why Nvidia users are using it over Native (LOTS of driver issues with the game on Native; I'm on AMD so my intel is limited). I've never needed, nor desired, to use Proton on Payday 2, and Overkill deciding to drop support, all so they could add a botched implementation of EOS really infuriates me.

It's just an unusual situation to be in. Gaming is gaming, proton or not. Use what you need to, and people shouldn't judge others by how they run their games.

Yes, this comment was made four days later than i'd like, but being angry all the time is not good for me.


Last edited by Dribbleondo on 21 June 2023 at 1:11 pm UTC