Microsoft - keep your filthy hands off Valve, leak shows MSFT would buy Valve

Quoting: NeptNutzPhil Spencer is the saddest kind of "frat boy" known to humankind. He shows up in his hipster-adjacent clothes, talks a big game, marginally gesticulates accordingly; but when the "chips are down", talk is all that he has. He is a corporate-owned 'News Announcer' tool and nothing more.

First and foremost: Under Lord GabeN's leadership, Valve would DIE before it ever sells to Micro$ith. (Inheritances be damned.)

Secondly: Considering hardware-behemoth Sony is already acquiescing to to Steam, for the next-in-line Japanese hardware behemoth, Nintendo, to ignore that level of a tectonic shift would be complete folly, if not total ignorance.

Nintendo knows they have already been beaten in the hardware race (<-- Steam Deck). Nowadays, it's the intellectual property (IP) that matters. (Hardware follows software - ibid. VisiCalc )

Whether or not "frat boy" can lure them to the dark side remains to be seen. Notch was an easy mark. Famicom is a totally different animal.

I don't think Nintendo really gives a shit about hardware, their games sell quite well without "realistic" graphics.

What i find sad is that people care more about games than widewine and all the patent/copyright shit that makes using a computer/the internet miserable with or without a linux computer. I think it would be good if the "gaming industry" collapsed and only indies remained, 80% of the good games come from them nowadays anyway.

My only consolation is that climate change will kill us all, or I hope at least me, before MS can buy all the industry.


Last edited by Arehandoro on 23 September 2023 at 8:39 am UTC

Quoting: F.Ultrabut he does have access to the most expensive care available on the planet so he could very well live for another 20 or 40 years.

I'd be fine with 80y but i'm probably overly optimistic here.

He also seems to have a Yatch and there's been a rising of criminal acts against those by killer whales recently.
Whitch is good, but not for this one particular yatch so...

Enough kidding around, i didn't knew about the shares being already divided among that many people. By exwife, i imagine that's the mother of his children ? So, in a way, it's still in the family. They would be crazy to sell out, we're on the same page but we do have our lot of crazy trillionaires around so we never know.

Quoting: williamjcmWell, since the leak happened, I'm sure competition watchdogs will keep a very close eye on Microsoft for the years to come.

You forgot the '/s'.

Quoting: finaldestAt least prior generations had the advantage of physical media allowing game ownership. Now they want to kill the physical games media market also.

So I only buy physical games on PS5 now as SONY at least allows games to be played without updates but the bulk of my purchases are on PC simply because I trust Valve more than the competition to not somehow screw me over.

I mean as the physical games market is dwindling, there is GOG which is essentially the physical games market but digital (in terms of ownership), buy the game on GOG, download the files, those files should work forever (at least not stopped by DRM or online connectivity) so long as you ensure the copies are not lost

The Problem Is, It's A Violation For Microsoft To Acquire Valve, Its Illegal Under The Anti-Trust Laws, The Problem.. They Are Buying The Politicians Off To Look The Other Way For Years, Still Are, Its All Corrupted We Have Laws For Monopolies But.. What Good Are Laws When Your So Big You Can Buy Agencies Off. Yet, Small Business Gets Attacked Non-Stop, Look At Similarities Like Uber, They Admitted To Committed Illegal Activities Bc The System Is Corrupted. If We Can Get Politicians Back To The Old System And Enforce Laws Already In Place, You Won't Have Companies Like Microsoft, AT&T, TMobile Etc. Buying Off Everyone So There's No Competition, Bc It Violates Fair Competition In The USA.

Quoting: williamjcmWell, since the leak happened, I'm sure competition watchdogs will keep a very close eye on Microsoft for the years to come.

As far as I know the watchdog is only meant to keep Microsoft from doing something illegal; there is no morality watchdog to prevent them from being a piece of shthit cnut fckuing company.

One can say whatever they like about Nintendo and Valve both, Microsoft gobbling up either (or worse, both) would be cataclysmic. Things are already starting to become monopolised, we'll all benefit from them doing their own thing.


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Quoting: NeptNutzNintendo knows they have already been beaten in the hardware race (<-- Steam Deck).

How is the Steam Deck beating the Nintendo Switch?

But what does it matter if you can just press 'play'? :trollface:

I'm sure the board of directors is keen to buy any successful technology company and add it to Microsoft's portfolio. Heck, they would probably even be willing to buy Sony at the right price.

biggest thread is capitalism itself and this is what actualy capitalism that anything MS done and doing.
so yes to capitalism yes to chaos in any kind in any aspect of life. and also this is what makes linux and community much more important to me. Linux is a kind of Stalingrad. Yet we are slowly moving to Berlin Reichtag();
and beyond all these valve is a company and belong someone who have total rights about it.
but i dont see any meaning of selling valve to monopoly even tho Gaben was part of MS and he decided to choose his own path for humankind on perspective of freedom. Amin to that. No worries.

Quoting: RealChrisThe Problem.. They Are Buying The Politicians Off To Look The Other Way For Years, Still Are, Its All Corrupted We Have Laws For Monopolies But.. What Good Are Laws When Your So Big You Can Buy Agencies Off.

Yeah it is unfortunate that with enough money, you essentially become unstoppable.

Quoting: Kuduzkehpanhe decided to choose his own path for humankind on perspective of freedom.

Absolutely. For humankind he decided to create a DRM platform! Freedom to the people to not run their games. What a disaster it would be if I could decide when & where I'm allowed to start games!

Quoting: finaldestValve saved PC gaming when retailers gave us the 2 fingers in favour of consoles. At least prior generations had the advantage of physical media allowing game ownership. Now they want to kill the physical games media market also.

Valve was the company which killed physical media & took ownership away. Prior Steam you owned a copy you could lend or sell. With Steam you only received the license attached with additional constraints.

Quoting: poiuzValve was the company which killed physical media & took ownership away. Prior Steam you owned a copy you could lend or sell. With Steam you only received the license attached with additional constraints.

You can still have your physical media and ownership... many games on Steam are DRM-free, and don't require online access, so if you lose your account you keep those games.

You can burn them to a physical disc if you want a hard copy. After that you could lend it to someone else, but keep in mind that selling or distributing your physical copy is a loss for the developer. It may not mean much for a big company, but indie teams need that revenue to stay afloat. Just food for thought.

Don’t really think there is any needs to worry. I would like them to buy Nintendo because then we can play Nintendo games on pc.
And as valve are trying to push there own hardware, Linux and it’s on eco system, I find it really hard for Microsoft to buy valve, valve is already an infinite money machine and want to get away from windows anyways. Steam os came to life cause valve was afraid of Microsoft not allowing them to install the valve client on windows without the user using Microsoft store. judging from windows 11 we sloooowly are getting there. But who knows, there is always a chance ofc, that Microsoft buys valve.


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Quoting: wytrabbitYou can still have your physical media and ownership... many games on Steam are DRM-free, and don't require online access, so if you lose your account you keep those games.

Steam always enforces it's DRM, it doesn't matter if the game is DRM free or contains third party DRM. You can work around it if the game is DRM free. But then why use an "anti consumer" service like Steam in the first place? And the workaround works really poorly on the Steam Deck.

Quoting: wytrabbitYou can burn them to a physical disc if you want a hard copy. After that you could lend it to someone else, but keep in mind that selling or distributing your physical copy is a loss for the developer. It may not mean much for a big company, but indie teams need that revenue to stay afloat. Just food for thought.

I don't see the relevance of this information. Copying & lending is not allowed by the EULA (maybe it's even disallowed to run the games outside of Steam). The point about revenue would be true for physical releases, too.

Obviously a digital store can be good from a consumer stand point, it simplifies distribution. But this works very well without Steam's DRM (even if a game itself requires [Steam] DRM).

The point is: Valve actively restricts users, I don't see how freedom was ever an important concern of Valve.

Quoting: poiuz

Quoting: wytrabbitYou can still have your physical media and ownership... many games on Steam are DRM-free, and don't require online access, so if you lose your account you keep those games.

Steam always enforces it's DRM, it doesn't matter if the game is DRM free or contains third party DRM. You can work around it if the game is DRM free. But then why use an "anti consumer" service like Steam in the first place? And the workaround works really poorly on the Steam Deck.

Quoting: wytrabbitYou can burn them to a physical disc if you want a hard copy. After that you could lend it to someone else, but keep in mind that selling or distributing your physical copy is a loss for the developer. It may not mean much for a big company, but indie teams need that revenue to stay afloat. Just food for thought.

I don't see the relevance of this information. Copying & lending is not allowed by the EULA (maybe it's even disallowed to run the games outside of Steam). The point about revenue would be true for physical releases, too.

Obviously a digital store can be good from a consumer stand point, it simplifies distribution. But this works very well without Steam's DRM (even if a game itself requires [Steam] DRM).

The point is: Valve actively restricts users, I don't see how freedom was ever an important concern of Valve.

I guess you're unaware that DRM free games that don't require any Steam services, can be launched outside of Steam... it's not illegal

You will never hear me saying these things. I always wondered about the beginning trust of some fellow Linuxarians into MS. I just hope Gaben will not throw in....

Quoting: wytrabbitI guess you're unaware that DRM free games that don't require any Steam services, can be launched outside of Steam... it's not illegal

Even if that's true: That's not thanks to Valve. What does this change about Valve's absolute definitive/clear/unmistakable Pro-DRM stance? It's not about what's legal or not but their intentions & actions. They do actively restrict the access to the user's games.

Besides: It's still a huge PITA to do this on the Steam Deck, you have to work around the whole system.


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