More teasers appear for upcoming Valve hardware

"low-power" doesn't really scream SteamDeck 2 to me, and wifi has no use in a controller.
Was SteamDeck also described as "low power" in the certification ? I don't know how to search in RRA.

I think it's likely a steamdeck 1.5 with new OLED or similar tech display & maybe an updated CPU/GPU as AMD are pumping out new tech at similar price point. Maybe a more refined design now we have some competitors?

Wildcard would be a standalone VR device to sort of stand against apple's VR headset. Runs steamOS but also a linux desktop & can obviously play games on both but also use other applications. Not sure if this will happen though as cost is relatively high for a powerful GPU chip plus battery issues..

Long live steamdeck

Quoting: SolarwingValve, give us a Steam Deck 2 which also would be Thor's new legendary hammer against evil M$ empire!! Steam deck 2 and Thunder!!! For Odin!!! for Asgard!!! if Valve make this wish come true for us, we the noble Linux warriors will heed the call and buy a golden Steam deck 2 - even it would mean a environmental bankruptcy for us!!!So let us hope for the best.

Valve has said that Steam Deck 2 won't be a thing until they can offer a significant hardware upgrade. They're not interested in going the smartphone route with yearly minor upgrades.

Quoting: 14All hardware Valve

Anyone

Quoting: 14makes are not totally new inventions, rather variations of devices other companies have made before. With that in mind, I bet people will think, Ah, one of those.

Fixed that for you.

Quoting: spacemonkeyThe Steam Deck has awesome performance, but for portable VR (like the Quest) we need 3664x1920 resolution and at least 72fps.

Exactly. During Deck R&D videos they commented that they wanted to do Deck for a while but technology wasn't where they needed it to be to make it feasible until post 2020/2021.

I suspect the VR reality is the same, it may take 1 or 2 years more before they have chips that can deliver the minimum resolution & framerate.

To the guy commenting on Valve taking on Apple VR too, I really don't think Valve sees themselves as competing with Apple, but I suspect the notion was tounge & cheek ;P

Quoting: spacemonkeyThe Steam Deck has awesome performance, but for portable VR (like the Quest) we need 3664x1920 resolution and at least 72fps. The problem is that the Quest has it's own low spec library. Deckard has to be able to run VR games intended for a (high end) PC (because that is what people have in their Steam library)

Realistically 90fps is the minimum for not-spew-inducing frame rates. You REALLY feel them in VR below that.

Quoting: ElectricPrismPrediction:
A. They will do away with the glossy screen entirely -- and go to Etched Glass.
B. They will upgrade the joysticks to be more wear resistant
C. Bigger Battery / Better battery life.
D. They might bump the resolution to 1920x1200 (Although I have no personal problem with the 1280x800.
E. OLED screen to conserve more power and for brighter use in daytime spaces (bus stop, etc...)
F. Thinner screen bezel. (that black boxy border around the screen)
G. Slightly smaller size (Similar to how the original Xbox had those big controllers at first and then the next iteration was more refined and slightly smaller)
H. Next Bump up of the CPU/GPU -- it would most likely be very similar.
I. More RAM.
J. More accurate touch screen.
K. And obviously -- better Wifi Module (Steam Deck v1 Wifi Module doesnt play nice with all routers and was a PITA requiring reflashing from recovery4.img and on all my 5 decks)
L. Oh, and of course all the NVME would get bumped up to the faster speed, 64bg would be replaced by 128GB, 256GB, 512GB and 1TB options (as 1TB 2230 NVME is a thing now, technically 2TB is aswell, however they usually skip a generation of top tech to keep costs affordable.)

I would really be curious to see them shrink it by 10% or 15%.

A. Probably; likely will cost less in manufacturing overall to have single type of screen.
B. Maybe? The Joysticks are quite nice and I haven't read a lot of people complaining of drift, unlike the Switch's Joycons.
C. This is always the want of people. Even Samsung is kind of crap with sticking with the same battery size, and then defaulting to 85% charge max right off the bat...
D. Bumping to 1920x1200 will require a much beefier CPU/GPU to keep frame rates playable, plus that means more battery punishment, Not to mention when you're dealing with a screen that small already, the advantages of that high of a resolution is rapidly lost.
E. This one I totally agree with; except the tech still needs to be where the OLEDs don't diminish / need to be 'shaved' so often, and won't wear out so fast.
F. I wonder how much of the bezel size is due to finding the right manufacturer for the size / shape they were looking for, not to mention some other requirements for toughness, etc. Easier to protect a screen with larger bezels...
G. For the size... I'm guessing a lot of people are perfectly fine with the size. I keep thinking how small it actually is... when there isn't a massive case on it (I have both a dBrand and got the recent jsaux one as well, and they both add quite a bit of bulk to it). I'm curious who has a lot of issue with the size (I could see someone arguing for it to be lighter for sure).
H. The problem with upgrading GPU/CPU, Battery, plus shrinking it... the tech just needs to be a lot better for it to be worth it for a 'gen 2' Steam Deck. the first two conflict with the third!
I. Not sure why you'd really need more RAM... it's ran everything I've thrown at it so far (in regard to RAM, could use a bit more 'oompf' for some heavier games with more details turned on.)
J. I haven't had issues with the touch screen (though admittedly haven't used it much).
K. People have swapped it out for the AX210 (I've considered doing this as I think I have one laying about). I haven't had issues with mine and routers, they seem to work fine. Also... 5? Holy shit, dude!
L. Ha, I've considered upgrading my storage to 2TB as well... I may wait until there are 4tbs...

I literally just put my Xbox 360 controller next to my Steam Deck's controller, and the handles are pretty much the exact same size, along with the triggers, etc.

I want to be finaly out of the Meta ecosystem and their lack of Linux support, my Oculus Rift S is asking for a replacement so my hopes are with a new VR set. One day I will finally be able to remove my W10 partition, one day, step by step

Quoting: EriI want to be finaly out of the Meta ecosystem and their lack of Linux support, my Oculus Rift S is asking for a replacement so my hopes are with a new VR set. One day I will finally be able to remove my W10 partition, one day, step by step

I need someone to write a TargetUI replacement for the Thrustmaster Warthog to fully ditch Windows... pretty sure that's about the only thing I'm missing...

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: EriI want to be finaly out of the Meta ecosystem and their lack of Linux support, my Oculus Rift S is asking for a replacement so my hopes are with a new VR set. One day I will finally be able to remove my W10 partition, one day, step by step

I need someone to write a TargetUI replacement for the Thrustmaster Warthog to fully ditch Windows... pretty sure that's about the only thing I'm missing...

Thanks for reminding me that I need to look for a replacement of the X56 software xD I completely forgot about that, I haven't played a hotas game in a while, It's in collect dust mode.

Quoting: Eri

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: EriI want to be finaly out of the Meta ecosystem and their lack of Linux support, my Oculus Rift S is asking for a replacement so my hopes are with a new VR set. One day I will finally be able to remove my W10 partition, one day, step by step

I need someone to write a TargetUI replacement for the Thrustmaster Warthog to fully ditch Windows... pretty sure that's about the only thing I'm missing...

Thanks for reminding me that I need to look for a replacement of the X56 software xD I completely forgot about that, I haven't played a hotas game in a while, It's in collect dust mode.

Ha, the x52 has bits for Linux. Not sure how compatible it is with the x56.

Bryant Gardiner... Yeah Bryant... Strikes again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WEl1HEykRI

Steam Console for the Deckard incoming? At around 8m30s.


Edit: Fan the Deck too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAtDcC6UQQ

Anything solid on your side @Liam Dawe?


Last edited by Mohandevir on 15 September 2023 at 3:50 pm UTC

Quoting: MohandevirBryant Gardiner... Yeah Bryant... Strikes again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WEl1HEykRI

Steam Console for the Deckard incoming? At around 8m30s.


Edit: Fan the Deck too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oAtDcC6UQQ

Anything solid on your side @Liam Dawe?

Honestly I think if they do make a console they should;
A) make it the same spec as the Steam Deck (yes people will whine about this, but makes sense from a 'make it work on Steam Deck and it'll work on Steam Console' point of view).
B) Make a new Steam Controller with as many of the gizmos that the Steam Deck control scheme has (again, make it as compatible as possible).

These two will make the thing more like a nice console that people can hook up to a TV permanently, then take their Deck on the road to play, then resume their game once they are home (because just uber / train / plane everywhere so you can just use the Deck all the time.)

I think the problem with the Steam Machines were lack of Proton, and the many different variations of the box, and cost of trying to wedge full sized video cards into tiny boxes. These days we have powerful NUC-likes that are small enough to stick under a TV.

Also, same spec as the Deck would allow them to have the same SteamOS version on each.

Quoting: slaapliedjeThese days we have powerful NUC-likes that are small enough to stick under a TV.

Yep! But Valve can sell them much cheaper and support one set of hardware with SteamOS, instead of as many hardware config as there are mini NUC systems. I don't think Valve wants to support all the PC configurations available anymore.

This said, PS5 are Oberron (7nm) and Oberron+ (6nm) Van Gogh apus. A Deckard console with that kind of spec at a similar price would be an unbelievable value offering, imo... Where is my wallet?

Edit: And there is more to it than just a console. From the leaks, Valve would custom taylor this console to enhance the VR headset support with wireless support (VR Link). Some infos seem to point to something similar to a Snapdragon XR2 Chipset that could analyze and relay motion informations to the main cpu (similar to the overpriced Apple VR headset). Sorry paraphrasing SadlyItsBradley.


Last edited by Mohandevir on 15 September 2023 at 7:51 pm UTC

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedjeThese days we have powerful NUC-likes that are small enough to stick under a TV.

Yep! But Valve can sell them much cheaper and support one set of hardware with SteamOS, instead of as many hardware config as there are mini NUC systems. I don't think Valve wants to support all the PC configurations available anymore.

This said, PS5 are Oberron (7nm) and Oberron+ (6nm) Van Gogh apus. A Deckard console with that kind of spec at a similar price would be an unbelievable value offering, imo... Where is my wallet?

Edit: And there is more to it than just a console. From the leaks, Valve would custom taylor this console to enhance the VR headset support with wireless support (VR Link). Some infos seem to point to something similar to a Snapdragon XR2 Chipset that could analyze and relay motion informations to the main cpu (similar to the overpriced Apple VR headset). Sorry paraphrasing SadlyItsBradley.

Right, if you had quoted the rest of my post, that's what I said. One standard system matching the Steam Deck as a box that sits under the TV. Have the portable and not portable versions, a controller for the not portable system have all the features of the Steam Deck. Also, I think they should call it a Steam Block. Just a suggestion... :P

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedjeThese days we have powerful NUC-likes that are small enough to stick under a TV.

Yep! But Valve can sell them much cheaper and support one set of hardware with SteamOS, instead of as many hardware config as there are mini NUC systems. I don't think Valve wants to support all the PC configurations available anymore.

This said, PS5 are Oberron (7nm) and Oberron+ (6nm) Van Gogh apus. A Deckard console with that kind of spec at a similar price would be an unbelievable value offering, imo... Where is my wallet?

Edit: And there is more to it than just a console. From the leaks, Valve would custom taylor this console to enhance the VR headset support with wireless support (VR Link). Some infos seem to point to something similar to a Snapdragon XR2 Chipset that could analyze and relay motion informations to the main cpu (similar to the overpriced Apple VR headset). Sorry paraphrasing SadlyItsBradley.

Right, if you had quoted the rest of my post, that's what I said. One standard system matching the Steam Deck as a box that sits under the TV. Have the portable and not portable versions, a controller for the not portable system have all the features of the Steam Deck. Also, I think they should call it a Steam Block. Just a suggestion... :P

Ok. Sorry. I misinterpreted what you meant by that phrase, in this case.

Steam Block or Deckard Pal? Wasn't there a mention of Pal, somewhere in leaks, some time ago?

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: slaapliedjeThese days we have powerful NUC-likes that are small enough to stick under a TV.

Yep! But Valve can sell them much cheaper and support one set of hardware with SteamOS, instead of as many hardware config as there are mini NUC systems. I don't think Valve wants to support all the PC configurations available anymore.

This said, PS5 are Oberron (7nm) and Oberron+ (6nm) Van Gogh apus. A Deckard console with that kind of spec at a similar price would be an unbelievable value offering, imo... Where is my wallet?

Edit: And there is more to it than just a console. From the leaks, Valve would custom taylor this console to enhance the VR headset support with wireless support (VR Link). Some infos seem to point to something similar to a Snapdragon XR2 Chipset that could analyze and relay motion informations to the main cpu (similar to the overpriced Apple VR headset). Sorry paraphrasing SadlyItsBradley.

Right, if you had quoted the rest of my post, that's what I said. One standard system matching the Steam Deck as a box that sits under the TV. Have the portable and not portable versions, a controller for the not portable system have all the features of the Steam Deck. Also, I think they should call it a Steam Block. Just a suggestion... :P

Ok. Sorry. I misinterpreted what you meant by that phrase, in this case.

Steam Block or Deckard Pal? Wasn't there a mention of Pal, somewhere in leaks, some time ago?

Steam Pal was what became the Deck. It is almost unfortunate they named it the Steam Deck though, as there are already Stream Decks. 'Steam Pal' always sounded kind of cheesy, then again so does the Gameboy, and it's still the highest selling portable console...

(Unrelated note, it must be time to play with an Atari ST, as I keep typing STeam...)