Raspberry Pi 5 announced - still tiny, much more powerful

Hope they sent a prototype to the box86 devs :D

Pi 5 Australian prices......

4GB $103.41 Dollarydoos.......
8GB $137.92 Dollarydoos......

https://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-5

For comparison a Pi 4 is......

1GB $59.00 Dollarydoos
2GB $73.80 Dollarydoos
4GB $94.00 Dollarydoos
8GB $129.00 Dollarydoos

https://raspberry.piaustralia.com.au/products/raspberry-pi-4

Now I'm really considering whether, how, and where I might need it. I want one purely for the sake of having it, but sadly, I don't need that power at the moment

my bedroom art studio runs on a Pi 4, which ... struggles. This is an auto-buy.
Only downside is losing the 3.5mm jack, as I use a soundbar

Good to see, but not for me - they make great hardware (though the RPi4 ran astonishingly hot, and I can't imagine how hot the RPi5 will run!), but I'm just not a fan of how they've traditionally handled the software side.

They lost me after automatically trusting a Microsoft repository with zero information, interaction, or permission as part of a standard apt update, and then told those who were concerned that it was for their own good and they were spreading FUD by being concerned about it, before removing posts about it altogether.

Quoting: PenglingGood to see, but not for me - they make great hardware (though the RPi4 ran astonishingly hot, and I can't imagine how hot the RPi5 will run!), but I'm just not a fan of how they've traditionally handled the software side.

They lost me after automatically trusting a Microsoft repository with zero information, interaction, or permission as part of a standard apt update, and then told those who were concerned that it was for their own good and they were spreading FUD by being concerned about it, before removing posts about it altogether.

Don't know about any of that, but guess you wouldn't make that up.
What holds me back is that I bought quite a lot of pis over the years and hardly used them. There are quite a lot of ideas what I want to do with them, but I hardly find energy to do such things these days. Also, some of my old devices crash quite often, even though I use official plugs and solid, expensive cases. With my SteamDeck handling emulation better then they ever could, I don't know why I'd need a pi with such power. Maybe as a secondary PC when I need to boot Windows on my desktop for work or VR... but only after a modern distribution is available.

I like the update, but I honestly think they'd be better off removing microsd and adding ssd.

Quoting: ArehandoroI like the update, but I honestly think they'd be better off removing microsd and adding ssd.

Let's hope they have reserved enough bandwith for a SSD expansion module. It makes sense to keep microsd for those who want to run it fanless.

Pleasant surprise! Ordered two with active coolers and PSUs as soon as I woke up. Seems to be limited to 1 per customer in all stores so had to shop around a bit. I'll finally be able to fill the empty spaces in my 19" 1U rack. Pi4 impossible to find and expensive for a long time now but it's been running my home automation faithfully for years.

Quoting: constDon't know about any of that, but guess you wouldn't make that up.

It happened back in February 2021 - there's an article that gave a good rundown about it and the fallout here.

It was enough to put me off, in the end - I didn't want to see a British educational charity co-opted for the interests of a foreign outside business, and I don't feel comfortable with supporting that, personally.

Quoting: "Liam Dawe"I'm trying to convince myself I don't need it…

Me too I only have a Pi3 that works good as a media center on my living room and I don't need another one but after seeing the videos... damn I want one

Quoting: PenglingIt happened back in February 2021 - there's an article that gave a good rundown about it and the fallout here.

I never really got the fuss over it personally. It's just a repo and as a distro they're free to do whatever they want. People could just remove it or use a different distro. Unless people suddenly think having a repo harms their PC in some way, it felt massively overblown to me.

Cool, I was holding off on getting another one for just this very reason. I've got a Raspberry Pi 3 Model A+ that I use as a DreamPi for my Dreamcast. But I've wanted another more powerful one to just mess around with, and maybe to use as a FreeBSD file server eventually.

Yeah no, not after this fiasco: link

Not trusting any of their newer hardware on my home network.

100% an insta buy for me as I run my model train railroad using a Pi-SPROG and an overclocked Pi4 at the moment.

It'll probably take a bit for Fedora (specifically the IoT variant) to support the Pi5 but I should be able to swap SSDs over once it's ready.

Edit: Pre-ordered.


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Neat! The Pi4 has been my min spec for developing Veridian Expanse ever since they made the Vulkan driver for it. Though I'm feeling a bit frustrated still that the Mesa version they ship with the default OS is *years* out of date and performs quite badly to the current version. I suppose this means that the v-sync issues will probably never be fixed on the Pi4 too. :( (IIRC it uses a software interrupt instead of a hardware one as a workaround for GPU firmware issues causing consistent tearing under even moderate load)

A little conflicted about what I should do at this point. Like targeting the Pi4 as a min spec has always been justified as "why not?" Maybe the Debian Bookworm OS update will magically fix everything when that finally drops. >_>

I don't need it.
I don't need it.
<looks back>
I don't need it.....

Quoting: KithopYeah no, not after this fiasco: link

Not trusting any of their newer hardware on my home network.

I'm typically on the fence on these kinds of issues.

FTA: " designed in-house in the UK"

IIUC for context it sounds like they must be a UK cop.

The UK is "interesting..." and UK cops are pretty infamous. I really think the UK is parasitized by other governments as their actions typically would appear to advance ulterior party's agendas.

If anyone knows of any similar open hardware where the chips aren't trademark secret blob code let me know -- I'd love to find a winner in this SBC space.

Edit:

Quoting: const

Quoting: ArehandoroI like the update, but I honestly think they'd be better off removing microsd and adding ssd.

Let's hope they have reserved enough bandwith for a SSD expansion module. It makes sense to keep microsd for those who want to run it fanless.

It sounds like their MicroSD is faster, but is it as fast as the Steam Deck? I forgot the tag for the new tech -- I thought it was "II".

I do agree, (at least for me personally,) I would have gladly traded for a m.2 2230. Maybe it's not small enough? The microSD feels like a relic from times past, still I see their thought process in if it's not broke, don't fix it -- because fans are used to it.

But for me personally, as a potential new fan, I'm not drawn to it without being able to have a 2230 really.


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Quoting: Liam DaweI never really got the fuss over it personally. It's just a repo and as a distro they're free to do whatever they want. People could just remove it or use a different distro. Unless people suddenly think having a repo harms their PC in some way, it felt massively overblown to me.

I totally respect that view. Some people definitely did overblow it!

For me personally, though, it was a trust issue, as well as the aforementioned concern about an outside business being pushed by an educational charity (who for some reason didn't use the addition as an opportunity to teach users how to add what they wanted) - I don't personally like the practise of automatically adding and trusting something without informing the user in any way. I use Linux for many reasons, but one is because it doesn't do stuff like that that.

But that's just me, and like I said, their hardware really is great!

Looks interesting, but not a fan of the increased power demands. Having to get a new (more expensive?) adapter and more powerful cooling worsens the value proposition generation by generation.

Quoting: ElectricPrismI do agree, (at least for me personally,) I would have gladly traded for a m.2 2230. Maybe it's not small enough? The microSD feels like a relic from times past, still I see their thought process in if it's not broke, don't fix it -- because fans are used to it.

It's got pcie2.0, so we should be seeing cases with m.2 or sata hat integrated. Similar to the current crop of pi4 cases with usb3 to m.2/sata convertors, but without the external usb bridge connector.


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