Well this is a nice surprise to wake up to on a Thursday, as the Raspberry Pi 5 is now formally announced with some impressive specs. So here's the details.
Coming at the end of October you'll be able to grab either a 4GB ($60 / £60) or 8GB ($80 / £80) model. They say "virtually every aspect of the platform has been upgraded" and that it's "over twice as fast as its predecessor" with their own silicon designed in-house in the UK.
Key Features:
- 2.4GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU
- VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2
- Dual 4Kp60 HDMI® display output
- 4Kp60 HEVC decoder
- Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi®
- Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
- High-speed microSD card interface with SDR104 mode support
- 2 × USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5Gbps operation
- 2 × USB 2.0 ports
- Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT, coming soon)
- 2 × 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers
- PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals
- Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin GPIO header
- Real-time clock
- Power button
They made two videos to go along with the announcement, one without talking and one with Eben Upton going over the details, both can be viewed below:
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If you're after benchmarks, it seems they sent Phoronix an early unit. Going by their benchmarks, it really is an impressive leap over the RPi4. I'm trying to convince myself I don't need it…
With new hardware, comes new software, and so they will also be releasing a brand new version of their first-party Raspberry Pi OS, built on top of the most recent Debian release and that will release mid-October shortly before the RPi5 launches officially in late-October.
The announcement post goes over a little history, including a note about how they managed to sell over 14 million of the RPi4 which is pretty impressive.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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This is my desktop of choice for the last few years. I will update my HTPCs and sell these Pi4s.
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Quoting: Arcadius-8606This is my desktop of choice for the last few years. I will update my HTPCs and sell these Pi4s.What distro are you running to use Pis as a desktop replacement? I'm usually on Arch derivates, but I fear not everything will be readily available, especially from AUR and flathub.
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Quoting: ElectricPrismQuoting: KithopYeah no, not after this fiasco: link
Not trusting any of their newer hardware on my home network.
I'm typically on the fence on these kinds of issues.
FTA: " designed in-house in the UK"
IIUC for context it sounds like they must be a UK cop.
The UK is "interesting..." and UK cops are pretty infamous. I really think the UK is parasitized by other governments as their actions typically would appear to advance ulterior party's agendas.
If anyone knows of any similar open hardware where the chips aren't trademark secret blob code let me know -- I'd love to find a winner in this SBC space.
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Quoting: constQuoting: ArehandoroI like the update, but I honestly think they'd be better off removing microsd and adding ssd.Let's hope they have reserved enough bandwith for a SSD expansion module. It makes sense to keep microsd for those who want to run it fanless.
It sounds like their MicroSD is faster, but is it as fast as the Steam Deck? I forgot the tag for the new tech -- I thought it was "II".
I do agree, (at least for me personally,) I would have gladly traded for a m.2 2230. Maybe it's not small enough? The microSD feels like a relic from times past, still I see their thought process in if it's not broke, don't fix it -- because fans are used to it.
But for me personally, as a potential new fan, I'm not drawn to it without being able to have a 2230 really.
I've checked by now and you can easily connect a SSD via PCIe with 500Mb/s bandwith, so it's really a non-issue. MicroSD slots are cheap and I understand keeping it. SSDs take a lot more energy and produce a lot more heat. Expect 3rd parties to boast special cases for SSD usage. If you want to run your Pi as cool as possible, MicroSD is still the way to go.
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Quoting: constWhat distro are you running to use Pis as a desktop replacement? I'm usually on Arch derivates, but I fear not everything will be readily available, especially from AUR and flathub.
I use Twister OS! It is to this day the most amazing experience I have with Raspberry Pi as a desktop. I'm on my Raspberry Pi desktop most of time for day to day usage and gaming.
I have a System76 Gazelle laptop that is awesome also running POP OS but if I could I would have a Raspberry Pi laptop and call it a day. I tried Pi-Top and it was horrible.
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I have to be anti-mainstream when it comes to tech, so I use other SBC's. I don't tinker constantly; I just have a handful that act as micro servers in the house. I already have an extra that rarely gets used, so no need for another.
It's cool to see the popularity continue.
It's cool to see the popularity continue.
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Quoting: constWhat holds me back is that I bought quite a lot of pis over the years and hardly used them. There are quite a lot of ideas what I want to do with them, but I hardly find energy to do such things these days. Also, some of my old devices crash quite often, even though I use official plugs and solid, expensive cases. With my SteamDeck handling emulation better then they ever could, I don't know why I'd need a pi with such power. Maybe as a secondary PC when I need to boot Windows on my desktop for work or VR... but only after a modern distribution is available.
Same boat. I thought about using one as a first desktop for my kids, but the more I thought about it, the less the idea seemed reasonable. I understand using ARM for educational purposes and general school work, but more stuff, including proprietary software, needs x86. Great tinker boards though!
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While the specs of the Pi 5 look good, the power consumption and thermals don't. I wouldn't recommend this for 24x7 operation (I'll stick to my Pi 2 for Pihole) and it looks like active cooling is a must. It thermally throttles under load without cooling - Phoronix showed up to 52% perf gain with active cooling added, which is huge.
The fact that the official Pi 5 case is the first official case to come with a fan says it all - it's a toaster in all but name :-) I'm skipping this one - I got a new 4GB Pi 4 for £35 from eBay several years back and that does me fine (and yes, I even had to get heatsinks and a fan for the Pi 4 with the money I saved because that runs too hot as well!). I think the Pi 3B is the last Pi you can sensibly run 24x7 without extra cooling or high power consumption.
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The fact that the official Pi 5 case is the first official case to come with a fan says it all - it's a toaster in all but name :-) I'm skipping this one - I got a new 4GB Pi 4 for £35 from eBay several years back and that does me fine (and yes, I even had to get heatsinks and a fan for the Pi 4 with the money I saved because that runs too hot as well!). I think the Pi 3B is the last Pi you can sensibly run 24x7 without extra cooling or high power consumption.
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Quoting: rklWhile the specs of the Pi 5 look good, the power consumption and thermals don't. I wouldn't recommend this for 24x7 operation (I'll stick to my Pi 2 for Pihole) and it looks like active cooling is a must. It thermally throttles under load without cooling - Phoronix showed up to 52% perf gain with active cooling added, which is huge.
The fact that the official Pi 5 case is the first official case to come with a fan says it all - it's a toaster in all but name :-) I'm skipping this one - I got a new 4GB Pi 4 for £35 from eBay several years back and that does me fine (and yes, I even had to get heatsinks and a fan for the Pi 4 with the money I saved because that runs too hot as well!). I think the Pi 3B is the last Pi you can sensibly run 24x7 without extra cooling or high power consumption.
Does it run at full throttle (so to speak) all the time, though? I wonder if it still uses more than the previous gens at very low workloads.
Also that tiny fan would be *so* annoying if it ran at full speed all the time.
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To be honest, I don't want Pi 5 anymore after getting couple of used Lenovo Tiny i5s for less money than I would have to pay for a Pi. Twice as powerful and with a free case, a power supply and a M.2 drive.
Raspberry Pi attracts me as an inexpensive device; I just bought another Zero 2 for my son's 3D printer.
Raspberry Pi attracts me as an inexpensive device; I just bought another Zero 2 for my son's 3D printer.
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Quoting: 14I have to be anti-mainstream when it comes to tech, so I use other SBC's. I don't tinker constantly; I just have a handful that act as micro servers in the house. I already have an extra that rarely gets used, so no need for another.
It's cool to see the popularity continue.
I also use an ODroid XU4 also but it's on the side of my main rig and mostly there for when I have a lot of family over and I run some Sega Genesis games for some of my older cousins.
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