Star Trek: Infinite from Paradox releases October 12

I wonder if I can I play as the blue colored bug people with antennae…

Or space hippies. Surely, those must be among the 'minor nations' mentioned.

Always need to play Andorians!

So this kind of is lame, here's why;
1) There are already mods for Stellaris to make it a Star Trek game. https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/ST_NewHorizons
2) In the same description of saying it's going to be before TNG, they state it's going to fit in with Star Trek Lore. They didn't meet the Cardassian empire until much later, it'd make a lot more sense to use Tellerite, Andorian, etc. Granted this would put it in Enterprise era (which I think would be really cool. Make the Humans/Vulcans be kind of wimpy.)
3) Well, yes if this were native Linux, I'd buy it right meow.

Space Hippies; Spock should play the harp more for sure.


Last edited by slaapliedje on 8 Sep 2023 at 3:50 pm UTC

Or space hippies). Surely, those must be among the 'minor nations' mentioned.

he I dont remember those space hippies, its been many years since I watched TNG, but I picture this in my mind

!https://i.imgur.com/4yw40WJ.jpg

Space Hippies were from TOS, not TNG.

...I mean. Star Trek has been dead to me for a while now.. especially after the "ActionMan" movies painted Picard as a psychopathic killer instead of a wise diplomat sage....

Star Trek has been action schlock for a while now.

I guess AI/Neural Networks are our only hope or restoring it to its pristine original form about showing moral conundrums and navigating ethically complex situations objectively.

I've finally given up on it after Strange New Worlds had a dancing Klingon boy band - that episode was actually embarrassing. I thought the first series of Discovery was good but it's been going rapidly downhill since. No comparison with the excellent Star Wars stuff that's ongoing.

I haven't watched any of Strange New Worlds since I heard they once again had to try and mess with Khan. Just stop you idiots. Unless you're going to make a movie based on the books by Greg Cox (which fit perfectly within 'reality' and still keep all of the Canon of Space Seed / Wrath of Khan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eugenics_Wars:_The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Khan_Noonien_Singh

To all those saying that Proton will lead to more native ports one day by raising the Linux user percentage...
It's not only that most Linux users stopped asking for ports.
Ten years ago, we had Windows users actively speaking out against Linux ports.

I wish companies would start announcing official Proton support. I honestly would trust the stability of that more than most native Linux builds.

Nowadays, we got Linux users actively speaking out against Linux ports.
That's why I'm pessimistic.

Considering this: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/09/linux-continues-rising-above-3-desktop-user-share-on-statcounter/

I'd say I'm still cautiously optimistic.

Considering the improvements to WINE/PROTON, DXVK over the last few years I'd say the win32 wall has come down pretty well.

As long as we keep gaining share, and even have people Experience Linux I'd call that winning.

As someone that migrated from OS/2 to Linux almost 30 years ago, being a more stable and robust operating system doesn't mean people are going to start programming for your platform if you're also compatible with Windows (OS/2 was often seen as a better Windows than Windows). People will only target Windows since they pick up your users for little to no extra work.

I've always held the position that wine/proton are great for using older software/games, but harmful to luring people to native ports in the future. Why write native ports when you get the entire Linux base for free? We're already seeing companies that always made Linux a priority dropping native support for future games.

It's kinda strange that they'd drop Linux support from an engine already having it. But to be honest, I see no reason to treat this game different than any other Windows-only game I've bought lately. If it runs well in Proton, I am going to get it (sounds a bit similar to Birth of the Federation, which I absolutely loved back then!).

Let's be honest, Proton has made native ports somewhat obsolete.

"Star Trek" broke canon with the "reboot" movies. They used... wait for it... a temporal event to do it.

They lost me there.

The last series I liked was Star Trek Enterprise. Discovery was OK, but I lost interest in the second season. Star Trek Picard bored me after the first episode. I think I quit on the third one. It's not that I hated it, I love Patrick Stewart, it just didn't capture my interest enough to tear me away from other things (e.g. games)

"Star Trek" broke canon with the "reboot" movies. They used... wait for it... a temporal event to do it.

They lost me there.

The game seems to be set in the TNG era, so it won't suffer from any of that. :)

PS: I didn't mind the reboot movies. They don't strictly break canon, since they're set in an alternative timeline (and time travel has been a part of Trek since forever, so that's fair game, IMHO). I have a bigger problem with all the space magic they introduced in the newer shows. That stuff makes me cringe. I loved Trek more when it at least tried to remain close to science.

"Star Trek" broke canon with the "reboot" movies. They used... wait for it... a temporal event to do it.

They lost me there.

The game seems to be set in the TNG era, so it won't suffer from any of that. :)

PS: I didn't mind the reboot movies. They don't strictly break canon, since they're set in an alternative timeline (and time travel has been a part of Trek since forever, so that's fair game, IMHO). I have a bigger problem with all the space magic they introduced in the newer shows. That stuff makes me cringe. I loved Trek more when it at least tried to remain close to science.

And that earlier Star Trek is now considered "close to science" tells a lot about the newer series .

Don't get me wrong, I love Star Trek. Up to and including Enterprise. I did not watch anything newer than that, though, because I could not bear to watch the first of the "actually, I wanted to do Star Wars" timeline movies to the and, and didn't dare to check out any newer Star Trek in fear of it having the same style...

I loved Trek more when it at least tried to remain close to science.

Yes, definitely, it used to be an interesting science fiction show. They made the tech sound almost believable too, I had this "Star Trek Operations Manual" (written in the TNG timeline). It explained things like how the warp engines work, the warp factors, the transporter/replicator technology etc. They used interesting sounding fake elements e.g. "Contained in the verterium cortanide casing, is a sarium krellide power cell".... lol

Yes, I am only too painfully aware of how they have conveniently used time travel in Star Trek. I don't mean such time travel like going back in time to save whales, I mean using temporal mechanics/anomolies to make up stupid story plots.

I can enjoy those reboot movies on their own merits (swashbuckling space adventure etc.) but that thoroughly disgusted me how they used that to just say "oh well, this is the new Star Trek". The actors didn't click with me for the roles either. For one example, a young Spock wouldn't have been such a small minded prick.


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Discovery was OK, but I lost interest in the second season. Star Trek Picard bored me after the first episode. I think I quit on the third one. It's not that I hated it, I love Patrick Stewart, it just didn't capture my interest enough to tear me away from other things (e.g. games)

I found the first couple of seasons of Discovery started strong, but went downhill in the second half. As for the Picard series - the second season brought back Q, and the third season was like a TNG reunion. If that doesn't pique your interest, then by all means, keep ignoring it. :)

I've always held the position that wine/proton are great for using older software/games, but harmful to luring people to native ports in the future. Why write native ports when you get the entire Linux base for free? We're already seeing companies that always made Linux a priority dropping native support for future games.

It's true, we are. But we are also seeing Linux native releases from outfits that never did that before. The net impact seems to be close to a wash at this point. I think if Linux share keeps growing it will probably shift to a net positive.

One thing to keep in mind is that things are different now in a number of ways. Back in the OS/2 days, everything was fresh and new, meaning Windows could do slimy little things to break compatibility and it wouldn't affect much else. Now everything is big and old, with complexity going layer after layer deep. Microsoft can try to fuck around, but it wouldn't be just Linux they'd be breaking--and Wine/Proton would probably fix stuff for us faster than they could fix the unintended consequences on Windows.

As for the Picard series - the second season brought back Q, and the third season was like a TNG reunion. If that doesn't pique your interest, then by all means, keep ignoring it. :)

Actual, Q, John DeLancie Q? I love that snide character.

The concept of the Q though, is just something I have to shrug off (silly). Just suspend belief, it's fiction. They only did something like that once in the original series. Trelaine or whatever the ponce's name was. It's fair game I suppose, if they can disassemble a human into an energy stream, and reconstitute every quantum state of every atom, in every molecule, in every place... I suppose there will be beings that can snap their fingers and change reality :-)

I would enjoy seeing the old cast of Next Generation again too.

I wouldn't have been adverse to watching it at the start, but I don't have a TV or anything, and it takes something I'm especially interested in for me to sit at my computer and watch it. I more watch shows if I'm hanging out with my nephew or something, but he wouldn't watch that.

Anyway, the topic of conversation... I'm not interested in this game only because of the game type. I can't get into those. I would otherwise love to have a Star Trek game. The only one I have is a moldy oldie from 2000... "Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force" (Quake 3 engine if I recall).

Actual, Q, John DeLancie Q? I love that snide character.
I would enjoy seeing the old cast of Next Generation again too.

Yes; sounds like you would enjoy seasons 2 and 3. :)

moldy oldie from 2000... "Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force" (Quake 3 engine if I recall).

Definitely a different genre (and dare I say, more akin to the newer "action" movies).

The lack of a native Linux port is a huge disappointment to me (especially considering that other games from Paradox Interactive got native ports) and the reason why I won't buy this game even though I am a huge Star Trek fan.

The lack of a native Linux port is a huge disappointment to me (especially considering that other games from Paradox Interactive got native ports) and the reason why I won't buy this game even though I am a huge Star Trek fan.

... and even more so as it seems to be technically based on a game with a port.
Somebody must have said: "Remove this Linux build stuff from the system!"

"...excellent Star Wars stuff that's ongoing."

I hope that's sarcasm, because the Star Wars franchise has been in the toilet ever since George Lucas made the mistake of selling to Disney.

No, not sarcasm. What's your problem with it?

I've always held the position that wine/proton are great for using older software/games, but harmful to luring people to native ports in the future. Why write native ports when you get the entire Linux base for free? We're already seeing companies that always made Linux a priority dropping native support for future games.

It's true, we are. But we are also seeing Linux native releases from outfits that never did that before.

Maybe, hopefully, I'm only seeing one side of the story. I'm "following" good games with a Linux port, see them making announcements for their next games, and it feels like more often than not, the next game is not getting some love for penguins.

"...excellent Star Wars stuff that's ongoing."

I hope that's sarcasm, because the Star Wars franchise has been in the toilet ever since George Lucas made the mistake of selling to Disney.

No, not sarcasm. What's your problem with it?

I'm not going to get in a long, involved discussion about it, but "boring, woke trash" is probably the best description of Disney Star Wars. To be fair, modern Star Trek isn't much better.

I'm not going to get in a long, involved discussion about it, but "boring, woke trash" is probably the best description of Disney Star Wars. To be fair, modern Star Trek isn't much better.

Respectfully, I can't take anyone at all serious who uses "woke" as some kind of derogatory term. Just reminds me of the "this engine is woke" meme. I've been thoroughly enjoying all the new ST and SW :)

"...excellent Star Wars stuff that's ongoing."

I hope that's sarcasm, because the Star Wars franchise has been in the toilet ever since George Lucas made the mistake of selling to Disney.

No, not sarcasm. What's your problem with it?

I'm not going to get in a long, involved discussion about it, but "boring, woke trash" is probably the best description of Disney Star Wars. To be fair, modern Star Trek isn't much better.

I detest woke but I can't say I've picked up on much in the new Star Wars stuff. If there is any it hasn't detracted from my enjoyment of it as great sci-fi. Star Trek on the other hand is packed with it. The only one I wasn't fussed for was the "Obi Wan" series, I just found it a bit dull, otherwise I'm loving it all.


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