NoVR mod for Half-Life: Alyx gets a big animation update out now

Quoting: slaapliedjeCurious why you say a VR headset wouldn't be good for you? I know a guy who only has one eye, so it'd be pretty useless to him, for sure.

I have two eyes, but only one of them focuses at a time, the other kind of goes off in the periphery depending on which one I'm using. I can still alternate, but I used to be able to force focus both eyes (e.g. to see a stereoscopic map or something) but the muscles have atrophied since to the point that it is severe strain to even try now. In other words, I'm a cross eyed bastard (the real term is a strabismus). Ah well, it does make it harder to sneak up on me (it extends my periphery lol)

I'm 59 and I've lived with this for so long that I'm not going to risk surgery (it's scalpel surgery on the eye muscles, for this)

One of my eyes is blurry now too, needs a different correction. I have glasses for distance, but they are not for up close. I'm actually reading text with my left eye. I can read it with my right eye if close the left eye and alter the distance.

My nervous system also doesn't like stressors, for example racing games are bad enough, never mind processing VR imagery.

P.S. Normal 3D graphics work (even with one eye), because it's done with pixels, simulating distance whereas VR has a stereoscopic component to it. I also found out some years ago that modern cinema 3D works now too with the glasses (in the old days, that red and blue filter 3D didn't). I took my niece and nephew to see one of the later Star Wars movies and it was 3D... I was expecting the same old shit, but I was surprised that it worked for me.


Last edited by Grogan on 1 November 2023 at 7:11 pm UTC

Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: slaapliedjeCurious why you say a VR headset wouldn't be good for you? I know a guy who only has one eye, so it'd be pretty useless to him, for sure.

[...] I also found out some years ago that modern cinema 3D [...] worked for me.

In that case, I really do recommend you give VR glasses a try if you have the opportunity! VR glasses display the 3D image in exactly the same way as modern 3D movies (two cameras at a fixed stereoscopic offset).

I get the stressors part and in that case Alyx would probably need a "no hostiles" mod or similar to be comfortable, but most of the game is really just marvelling at "being there". More generally, there are plenty of relaxing VR experiences to be had as well (nature walks / VR tourism, psychedelic worlds, guided yoga/tai chi, etc.), so you might actually find yourself liking the hardware, should you try it :)

Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: slaapliedjeCurious why you say a VR headset wouldn't be good for you? I know a guy who only has one eye, so it'd be pretty useless to him, for sure.

I have two eyes, but only one of them focuses at a time, the other kind of goes off in the periphery depending on which one I'm using. I can still alternate, but I used to be able to force focus both eyes (e.g. to see a stereoscopic map or something) but the muscles have atrophied since to the point that it is severe strain to even try now. In other words, I'm a cross eyed bastard (the real term is a strabismus). Ah well, it does make it harder to sneak up on me (it extends my periphery lol)

Interesting. My two eyes have radically different vision--apparently they are actually not the same size, so different focal lengths. So, left eye has decent, just slightly nearsighted vision, while right eye is ludicrously nearsighted. But they don't wander--they both look in the same direction, my brain just sort of "edits out" everything the right eye sees that's in the left eye's field of vision. So I basically see with just the left eye. But the right eye gives me peripheral, and I can close the left eye and behold the blurry splendour that is my right eye's visual ability.

I've tried a VR thing once--it kind of worked for me. I probably didn't have depth perception, but I don't anyway so . . .


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 1 November 2023 at 8:52 pm UTC

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI've tried a VR thing once--it kind of worked for me. I probably didn't have depth perception, but I don't anyway so . . .

I tried one in 1996, before they were something in reach of consumers. That was back when I could still voluntarily focus my eyes, though. It was at this place in Mississauga, Ontario (near Toronto, almost grown together) called the "Sega Playdium" where they had huge screen racing games and all kinds of neat stuff. Also an Imax type ride that was pretty trippy.

I played a trap shooting game (shotgun "clay pigeons"... pull!) and it was somewhat like busting clays for real. No recoil, but the shotgun was weighty and the physics was realistic. (the visuals weren't photorealistic or anything, but the 3D was good)

P.S. The headgear was huge lol


Last edited by Grogan on 2 November 2023 at 4:01 pm UTC

Quoting: CybolicI really do recommend you give VR glasses a try if you have the opportunity! VR glasses display the 3D image in exactly the same way as modern 3D movies (two cameras at a fixed stereoscopic offset).

Could you give me an example of such a device? I looked around last night and found "smart glasses" and more goggle-like VR devices but wasn't sure what you meant.

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Quoting: CybolicI really do recommend you give VR glasses a try if you have the opportunity! VR glasses display the 3D image in exactly the same way as modern 3D movies (two cameras at a fixed stereoscopic offset).

Could you give me an example of such a device? I looked around last night and found "smart glasses" and more goggle-like VR devices but wasn't sure what you meant.

Oh, I just meant your average VR headset, like the Valve Index (or a standalone Meta Quest if you just want to try the whole VR thing out). I get that calling them "glasses" was a bit confusing, sorry about that.

Quoting: GroganI'm a cross eyed bastard (the real term is a strabismus). Ah well, it does make it harder to sneak up on me (it extends my periphery lol)

Lucky! I'm just a regular bastard, I don't have any super powers.

Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI've tried a VR thing once--it kind of worked for me. I probably didn't have depth perception, but I don't anyway so . . .

I tried one in 1996, before they were something in reach of consumers. That was back when I could still voluntarily focus my eyes, though. It was at this place in Mississauga, Ontario (near Toronto, almost grown together) called the "Sega Playdium" where they had huge screen racing games and all kinds of neat stuff. Also an Imax type ride that was pretty trippy.

I played a trap shooting game (shotgun "clay pigeons"... pull!) and it was somewhat like busting clays for real. No recoil, but the shotgun was weighty and the physics was realistic. (the visuals weren't photorealistic or anything, but the 3D was good)

P.S. The headgear was huge lol

Ha, some early versions of VR;
Atari Jaguar VR, got to the beta stage, never released, only one commercial game had VR support (Missile Command 3D), but the BigPEmu now has VR support!

Sega VR; Not sure how far along this got either, seems there were a few titles that had planned support (I want to say Zero Tolerance did?)

Arcade VR; These various systems apparently used two Amiga 3000s in the setup! Very cool! Would be awesome to get the hardware to make one of these, though the A3000s are grossly priced now.

Virtual I/O glasses; I have some of these, I still need to try them in Descent and other games that supported them on the PC.

Quoting: CybolicOh, I just meant your average VR headset, like the Valve Index (or a standalone Meta Quest if you just want to try the whole VR thing out). I get that calling them "glasses" was a bit confusing, sorry about that.

LOL, Thanks, I was wondering if I was barking up the wrong tree there. I did hear about something like that though. I think maybe slaapliedje hit on it... "Virtual I/O glasses" but obviously not the same thing.

Quoting: Grogan

Quoting: CybolicOh, I just meant your average VR headset, like the Valve Index (or a standalone Meta Quest if you just want to try the whole VR thing out). I get that calling them "glasses" was a bit confusing, sorry about that.

LOL, Thanks, I was wondering if I was barking up the wrong tree there. I did hear about something like that though. I think maybe slaapliedje hit on it... "Virtual I/O glasses" but obviously not the same thing.

Ha, yeah the Virtual I/O Glasses are basically stereoscopic things with head tracking. They also hook up to a VGA port or composite, if I recall (I really should play around with the ones I ordered, I read they worked with the Amiga and kind of impulse bought them... then I think I found out there are two models, one for Amiga and composite stuff, and one for a VGA PC, and I think I got the latter.

I get on these kicks where I want more interactivity with games than just the typical mouse/keyboard/gamepad input.