Squadron 42 finally 'feature complete', CIG talk up Vulkan support for Star Citizen

Quoting: ZeroPointEnergyYeah, I believe it when it is actually released.

We already had such episodes where they told us they where weeks from release and it will be out before end of the year. That was years ago, can't even remember how long. How can someone be so wrong? It boggles my mind.

They've never sated it will be out in a few weeks to be fair, Original release got moved due to added content that the backers wanted.

The trouble is it's taken longer than both backers and the devs initially thought!

It looks good anyway. I'd play it when it comes out.

Quoting: EhvisNext free fly for Star Citizen should be for the IAE at the end of November. My guess would be the 24th, but I could be a week off.

Also, if you ever decide to give it a try and create an account, use someone's referral code. Not immediately useful, but if you ever decide to buy a game package, it could give you some extras if you time that right.

The LUG helper tool (https://github.com/starcitizen-lug/lug-helper) offers random referral codes of other penguins btw ^^

So wait wait wait... Is this a sequel to a game that is not released yet?

Quoting: pete910

Quoting: ZeroPointEnergyYeah, I believe it when it is actually released.

We already had such episodes where they told us they where weeks from release and it will be out before end of the year. That was years ago, can't even remember how long. How can someone be so wrong? It boggles my mind.

They've never sated it will be out in a few weeks to be fair, Original release got moved due to added content that the backers wanted.

The trouble is it's taken longer than both backers and the devs initially thought!

That's an euphemism. We are talking about years and years. The initial release (according to the Kickstarter campaign) should have happened in late 2014. They may be "only" 10 years late.

Quoting: LinasSo wait wait wait... Is this a sequel to a game that is not released yet?

Prequel actually. SQ42 is the first part in a series of events that are technically "lore" for the SC universe.

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Quoting: pete910The trouble is it's taken longer than both backers and the devs initially thought!

That's an euphemism. We are talking about years and years. The initial release (according to the Kickstarter campaign) should have happened in late 2014. They may be "only" 10 years late.

As is often the case, there's a bigger story to that. They could have (and maybe should have) stuck with the plans they did the kickstarter with. If you look back in their youtube channel you can find the old concepts of what that would have looked like. But when the money kept pouring in they changed the scope, something that proper business people probably would not have done.

In that context, 10 years is not really extraordinary. Modern AAA games are in development for 5 years as well and that doesn't include tech/engine development which games back almost 20 years. The big difference is that AAA developers don't tell you much of what they're up to where CIG tells almost everything.

Personally I find it quite interesting. I have no real stake in the project since I'm not a backer, but according to Lutris I still managed to clock 280 hours in the current install (which probably means the total exceeds 300). From a technical perspective it's a fascinating piece of software with some good gameplay in there. But it's definitely incomplete.

But hey, the player counts of the current live builds rival the top games on steam, so they must be doing something right. And it would definitely be good for the games industry if this project got there in the end. Because the AAA industry could use a few more humbling experiences like the one that Baldurs Gate 3 gave them.

Quoting: pete910They've never sated it will be out in a few weeks to be fair, Original release got moved due to added content that the backers wanted.

The trouble is it's taken longer than both backers and the devs initially thought!

I'm talking about Squadron 42 just to make that clear.

The release of this game was multiple times announced and then delayed again. First it was end of 2014 then beginning of 2015, then end of 2015. In October of 2015 they even had a trailer announcing the release of the campaign in 2016...

Maybe you are new to that game, so it's understandable that you don't know the full history. I was there from the very start over 13 years ago. Please stop making excuses for them.

Quoting: LinasSo wait wait wait... Is this a sequel to a game that is not released yet?

I was thinking along the same lines. This is like an addon to a game that isn't released yet -- a distraction. It makes me have no faith Star Citizen will ever release. I'm glad I haven't paid any money.

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Quoting: LinasSo wait wait wait... Is this a sequel to a game that is not released yet?

I was thinking along the same lines. This is like an addon to a game that isn't released yet -- a distraction. It makes me have no faith Star Citizen will ever release. I'm glad I haven't paid any money.

To be fair, Squadron 42 was a main goal from the very first day. The initial pitch was for Squadron 42 as a modern Wing Commander, with Star Citizen reusing the same work to provide an MMO component as well.

Of course, during the development it's Star Citizen that's been pushed to the people first, since a live-service MMO offers much more possibility for driving funding to the development.

I might consider the game if it has an actual real native linux version.

Still loads of Whales left in the ocean to keep the SC train going.

At least us who are not worshiping the ground SC walks on by buying all the ships will maybe get a game to play in the end with SQ42.

Quoting: ZeroPointEnergy

Quoting: pete910They've never sated it will be out in a few weeks to be fair, Original release got moved due to added content that the backers wanted.

The trouble is it's taken longer than both backers and the devs initially thought!

I'm talking about Squadron 42 just to make that clear.

The release of this game was multiple times announced and then delayed again. First it was end of 2014 then beginning of 2015, then end of 2015. In October of 2015 they even had a trailer announcing the release of the campaign in 2016...

Maybe you are new to that game, so it's understandable that you don't know the full history. I was there from the very start over 13 years ago. Please stop making excuses for them.

I was pulling you up on the "Few weeks" remark as clearly stated, I certainly was not defending them.
SQ42 has been delayed 3 times that I'm aware of total.

As seen across the net, Sore subject to a lot of people I see GOL is no different.

I will go a play another game for now and bow out, When it does releases I will play that too. Irrelevant to me when that will be.


Side note, I take it you did "Hold the line" ?

Well at least their delays keep my hardware costs low. When they first announced their kickstarter in 2012 I was thinking: with AAA gaming intensely licking it's own backside, SC could finally be a reason to upgrade my aging hardware. After all I quite liked Robert's previous work with the exception of that highly acclaimed atrocity 'Freelancer'.
Admittedly I caved in an upgraded this year (the double A games started to be a bit to demanding for the old rig), but if they they keep doing business as usual, I expect quite a lot of mileage out of this toaster as well.
The sad part is that the Joystick market has been offering the same shitty consumer hardware for the last 20 years with no change in sight So I am not even that sure I am interested anymore.

Freelancer isn't highly acclaimed without a reason. It's a really good game.

Quoting: ShmerlFreelancer isn't highly acclaimed without a reason. It's a really good game.

The only reason I didn't care for Freelancer as much as I otherwise would have was the switch to a mouse for the controls. Back in the day, I had loved the hell out of Starlancer, and played it with a force feedback joystick (which I've now acquired a Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro to play again!)

It would have been nice if someone had hacked in flight stick support to Freelancer.

Quoting: ShmerlFreelancer isn't highly acclaimed without a reason. It's a really good game.

Quoting: slaapliedjeThe only reason I didn't care for Freelancer as much as I otherwise would have was the switch to a mouse for the controls. Back in the day, I had loved the hell out of Starlancer, and played it with a force feedback joystick (which I've now acquired a Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro to play again!)

It would have been nice if someone had hacked in flight stick support to Freelancer.

Admittedly this ^ for a good part. While for the same reason it is remembered fondly for a lot of people since it opened up the genre for a wider audience it took quite a bit away for existing fans of it. It was also annoyingly balanced resulting in constantly getting dragged out of a lane by a pirate that then exploded in a single volley. Don't remember the story or missions being outstanding either, but it has been a while. Earlier games like 'Privateer' or 'Strike Commander' worked better for this particular game formula, while games like 'Tie Fighter' and 'Freespace' had better much better mission design and gameplay.

Quoting: Schattenspiegel

Quoting: ShmerlFreelancer isn't highly acclaimed without a reason. It's a really good game.

Quoting: slaapliedjeThe only reason I didn't care for Freelancer as much as I otherwise would have was the switch to a mouse for the controls. Back in the day, I had loved the hell out of Starlancer, and played it with a force feedback joystick (which I've now acquired a Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro to play again!)

It would have been nice if someone had hacked in flight stick support to Freelancer.

Admittedly this ^ for a good part. While for the same reason it is remembered fondly for a lot of people since it opened up the genre for a wider audience it took quite a bit away for existing fans of it. It was also annoyingly balanced resulting in constantly getting dragged out of a lane by a pirate that then exploded in a single volley. Don't remember the story or missions being outstanding either, but it has been a while. Earlier games like 'Privateer' or 'Strike Commander' worked better for this particular game formula, while games like 'Tie Fighter' and 'Freespace' had better much better mission design and gameplay.

Yeah, I don't get why Freelancer didn't have the option for flight sticks / game pads or anything. Like they decided all the people who loved the space sims had sold their joysticks. I could be remembering things wrong, but it may have been the beginning of the end for the force feedback flight stick era.

Ha, Elite: Dangerous has a similar 'you just got pulled out of hyperspace' crap, usually I'm good enough to avoid being pulled fully out, it's just annoying when I'm trying to zip around and explore the galaxy.

I keep meaning to beat Freespace, and the rest of the Wing Commander games, I beat Privateer way back in the day, loved that game!