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At first I assumed they were playing the typical 'milquetoast opinion is "hatespeech"' game, as corporations afraid of X-Storms tend to do.

But I had a look at what was there and... uhh... yeah, even I would have removed that
A mix of slavic memes (I assume) and relentless insult rants.
Hilariously edgelordy, but not really something you want in official products.


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 17 October 2023 at 11:40 am UTC

Quoting: TheSHEEEPHilariously edgelordy, but not really something you want in official products.

I looked over all of it, and it was not some silly edgelord stuff. It was just downright disgusting.

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: TheSHEEEPHilariously edgelordy, but not really something you want in official products.

I looked over all of it, and it was not some silly edgelord stuff. It was just downright disgusting.

Well, let's just say not all of us are easily disgusted and have a bit thicker skin.
Honestly, I was quite entertained by the sheer insanity of it.

It reminded me of that Domina developer meltdown in the patch notes, except in Ukrainian (or at least Google thinks so).


Last edited by TheSHEEEP on 17 October 2023 at 2:16 pm UTC

Quoting: TheSHEEEPWell, let's just say not all of us are easily disgusted and have a bit thicker skin.

It's nothing to do with having a "thick skin" and that's really downplaying how gross it was. I'm genuinely surprised and disappointed anyone could find what they did in any way entertaining.

Fuck bigotry period. That's it, end of story. It's not even remotely someone trying to be comedic. So there's nothing funny about it.

Also, corporations being PC or inclusive cause it's good for business is annoyingly fake. But it's better than the other options.

Quoting: Linux_RocksAlso, corporations being PC or inclusive cause it's good for business is annoyingly fake. But it's better than the other options.

Yeah, for me it's just bigotry in the other direction. Instead of Corps asking people to stop being bigots, they're asking you to put other types of people on pedestals. Which is still bigotry, because certain other types of people are not put on those pedestals.

Quoting: Liam DaweI'm genuinely surprised and disappointed anyone could find what they did in any way entertaining.

I generally find people having absurd meltdown-style rants funny, independent of the exact nature or direction of their ranting.
Sue me. Or don't. I don't care in the slightest what you personally think of me. I'm not here to seek your approval, admin or not.

Quoting: Linux_RocksIt's not even remotely someone trying to be comedic. So there's nothing funny about it.

1. Wrong. It is actively trying to be funny, hence all the rather edgelordy "jokes".
2. You don't have to actively try to be funny in order to have the result be funny to other people.
3. You don't get to decide what is or isn't funny to other people about... anything, really.


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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Linux_RocksAlso, corporations being PC or inclusive cause it's good for business is annoyingly fake. But it's better than the other options.

Yeah, for me it's just bigotry in the other direction. Instead of Corps asking people to stop being bigots, they're asking you to put other types of people on pedestals. Which is still bigotry, because certain other types of people are not put on those pedestals.

Whether a company's display of support is genuine or self serving is a matter of debate. However, showing support for a group that has been treated (at best) less than acceptably in a historical context is not "bigotry in the other direction". At this point, as a society, it's not enough to *quietly* say "we accept you" because, like with any relationship, you do actually have to *say* it to that person. You have to let them *know*, unambiguously, that, yes, they matter and they're accepted. Maybe, on a societal level, that means, at the very least, they get a market display, or a few characters taking the spotlight in a show or movie, or they get to parade down main street. Maybe it's time those groups get a bit of the spotlight and the respect they deserve. There's plenty to go around

I always try to view things in context, or go off of who is saying what or joking about something to decide if something is funny or not. If it's toxic, then it's not funny, and it becomes serious. This was clearly toxic, so it's clearly not funny. Whether or not someone think it's funny is irrelevant to me. Furthermore, what reactionaries, bigots, or apologists to bigotry think is equally irrelevant.

I'm sure the comments section is about to become a shitstorm. So have fun with that. It's a damn shame that it's even a "debate" at all.


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Quoting: ObsidianBlk

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Linux_RocksAlso, corporations being PC or inclusive cause it's good for business is annoyingly fake. But it's better than the other options.

Yeah, for me it's just bigotry in the other direction. Instead of Corps asking people to stop being bigots, they're asking you to put other types of people on pedestals. Which is still bigotry, because certain other types of people are not put on those pedestals.

Whether a company's display of support is genuine or self serving is a matter of debate. However, showing support for a group that has been treated (at best) less than acceptably in a historical context is not "bigotry in the other direction". At this point, as a society, it's not enough to *quietly* say "we accept you" because, like with any relationship, you do actually have to *say* it to that person. You have to let them *know*, unambiguously, that, yes, they matter and they're accepted. Maybe, on a societal level, that means, at the very least, they get a market display, or a few characters taking the spotlight in a show or movie, or they get to parade down main street. Maybe it's time those groups get a bit of the spotlight and the respect they deserve. There's plenty to go around

I've always been more of the 'respect people for who they are, not what they are' mindset.

Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: TheSHEEEPHilariously edgelordy, but not really something you want in official products.

I looked over all of it, and it was not some silly edgelord stuff. It was just downright disgusting.

Well, let's just say not all of us are easily disgusted and have a bit thicker skin.
Honestly, I was quite entertained by the sheer insanity of it.

In theory at least, I actually kind of get what you mean--crazy people can be fun to laugh at (although this brand never gave me much of a hoot). This particular variety I'd find a lot funnier if they weren't in government or threatening to form government in lots of major countries around the world.

Quoting: ObsidianBlk

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: Linux_RocksAlso, corporations being PC or inclusive cause it's good for business is annoyingly fake. But it's better than the other options.

Yeah, for me it's just bigotry in the other direction. Instead of Corps asking people to stop being bigots, they're asking you to put other types of people on pedestals. Which is still bigotry, because certain other types of people are not put on those pedestals.

Whether a company's display of support is genuine or self serving is a matter of debate.

Ehhh, not usually. With small ones, or privately held ones, sure, there's plausible debate room. If Valve does something, it could just be because Gabe wants to. With big, publicly traded ones, no--being self-serving is their fiduciary duty and their only function.

Quoting: slaapliedjeI've always been more of the 'respect people for who they are, not what they are' mindset.

Which is fine for you at an individual level. But if (category of people A) gets kicked in the street by 20% of others, and (category of people B) does not, then even if you're not among that 20%, it's clear that there are different things that need to be done with respect to category A and B. Even at the individual level, there wouldn't be much point in you saying you support category B kicking victims, 'cause there, like, aren't any.


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Sucks that it happened in the first place but I'm glad it was dealt with it swiftly.

Quoting: GuestI am wondering, why there is no proofreader position to check a submitted translation.

You got a product with dozens of localisations. You would need an armada of proofreaders - something a company as Canonical with its 500 employees can hardly muster.

Quoting: Tuxee

Quoting: GuestI am wondering, why there is no proofreader position to check a submitted translation.

You got a product with dozens of localisations. You would need an armada of proofreaders - something a company as Canonical with its 500 employees can hardly muster.

Welll, not really. Not these days. Or at least, not to check for this kind of thing. For that, you'd just have to Google translate (or whatever) a random spot-check of a few strings in each translation and see that it was about right and not some random unrelated thing.