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Steam Deck (LCD), reviewed by a portables enthusiast

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NOTE: During the writing of this article, Valve announced an OLED revision of the Steam Deck. This review only covers the original LCD version.

The handheld gaming space has always been one steeped in both nostalgia and potential. Then Valve came along with their first entry in it, and reminded me of exactly why I love it in the first place.

I've been a desktop Linux user for 16 years, and two years ago, after a number of disappointments, I finally left the console space behind and moved all of my gaming over to Linux as well, and discovered the existence of Steam for Linux and Proton in the process.

I've always had a fascination with miniaturised and/or portable computing and gaming devices - Penny's Computer Book and matching watch from the 1983 cartoon series Inspector Gadget gave my younger self a glimpse at where downsized technology could easily go, and it turned out to be surprisingly accurate! It all snowballed from there, starting with a trio of VFD tabletop games - Grandstand's Munchman, Gakken's Frogger, and Tomy's Caveman - followed by a Commodore 64C. The tabletops defined how I played video games for life, and though I have owned and used desktop computers and home video game consoles as well, handhelds and portables are still my primary choice and preference to this day.


Grandstand Munchman, Gakken Frogger, and Tomy Caveman. Pictures from Handheld Empire.

Until recently, I was using a GPD Win Max 2021 (a half-sized laptop with in-built gaming controls that register as an Xbox 360 controller) running Linux Mint as my main gaming PC, but whilst GPD makes some nice hardware, the company's reaction to the Steam Deck and treatment of content-creators in the wake of that left me questioning whether I would opt for their products again now that more affordable options for handheld PCs are available. More importantly, there's a world of difference between having a control-pad built into a laptop that's designed to run a standard desktop operating-system, and having a machine that's specifically designed to play video games well, and over time I found that I really wanted something more purpose-built.

In the dedicated gaming-portables space (i.e., not mobile phones or tablets), the general expectation is that a device will be is a set target for developers for at least five years, with particularly successful machines (such as the original Game Boy, which kept going and going for almost a decade before being replaced by the Game Boy Colour) lasting for at least a few years longer than that. I was very kindly given a 512GB Steam Deck for my 40th birthday, which fell about 18 months after the device's launch, and at this point in the Deck's life devs are starting to take proper notice of it, with plenty aiming to at least have their stuff working on it at or close to launch, and some now even making Linux-specific tweaks for non-Steam Deck systems even when they don't officially support the OS. It's also seen many updates and refinements to make for a smoother experience, and that's where I'll start this review properly.

Jumping in now, the out-of-the-box experience of setting up the Steam Deck is an absolute breeze - when you first unbox the unit you're greeted by an information card advising you to plug the device in before powering it on, and from there, I found the setup to be much more fluid and intuitive than that of the leading handheld brand. Once you've set your language and provided your Steam details, you're given a guided-tour of the device's main screen (which you can repeat at any time you wish by long-pressing the "..." button on the right-hand side of the Steam Deck and choosing "Repeat Tour" from the bottom of the menu that appears), and are then free to do whatever you want. The only issue that I ran into was a "Compatibility tool failed" error when trying to run the very first game that I'd installed, but this was on me - I hadn't noticed that Proton had not been downloaded yet. Hopefully this can be better signposted in the future as I felt that this was easy to miss whilst adjusting to a new interface, though I admit that I'm not sure how best to do that.


Oops.

In retrospect, the only real quibble that I have with the setup process is that the incredibly-charming tutorial-game, Aperture Desk Job, isn't pre-installed. I fumbled around trying to figure out and memorise a couple of the button-shortcuts for certain tasks at first, and when I eventually got to installing and playing the game, I realised that I would've been better off playing that before anything else, as gamifying it made it so much easier to remember! Aperture Desk Job is a must-play - it wraps up a well-designed introduction to the new hardware in a very personable and fun way that you don't often see nowadays (this used to be the task of pack-in games on consoles, which is a practise that's almost died off completely nowadays), and for the half-hour that it takes to go through it, it's well worth experiencing.


The case, inside and out.

Outside of the software, the inclusion of a carrying-case with the Steam Deck is a great touch. In the handheld console space, you're usually looking at an additional cost of at least £10 to £20 for a case, and they're usually not as high-quality as this; You also get a branded cleaning-cloth and a small mesh bag for little accessories, too (you can just about fit the dock into it, but I'm not sure if that's the intent or not). It's well-made and well-designed, with wells carved out on the inside for the protruding controls and grips, and a cavity on the back covered with a wide elastic strap, which seems to be for storing the power-adapter as it slots right into this space. I liked this design choice, as console carry-cases usually only make room for smaller US-sized power-adapters and not the larger ones that we have in the UK, and doing it this way solves that issue in a fairly tidy manner.


Examples of the Steam Deck advising the user of how their games will work on the hardware.

Back to the software! Venturing further into using the device after the intial setup demonstrated more of the care that's gone into the interface-design: The Steam Deck shows various bits of helpful advice when you go to install and run your games, ranging from Steam Deck compatibility information, to warning you if you might need to use the built-in magnifying feature and telling you how to do so, to, of course, letting you know which inputs you'll be controlling your games with. This left a good first impression.

The on-screen keyboard also left a good first impression when I needed to use it (and you can use it in Desktop Mode as well, though you wouldn't want to do this for long periods of time), though it's unfortunate that not all keys are available! However, you can map the ones absent from the virtual keyboard to physical buttons as needed, which somewhat negates this. As a nice bonus, it's labelled with Steam Deck button-inputs for commonly-used keys, and also allows you to navigate it with the Deck's various controller inputs.


Super Bomberman R 2's single-player mode.

The first game with which I put my Steam Deck's controls through their paces was Super Bomberman R 2, which released on September 13th 2023. This was my most-eagerly-awaited game in many, many years, and due to having a free day at the time, I proceeded to spend a non-stop 9.5 hour session on it at launch. Well, almost! I took a few breaks, though the Steam Deck itself remained running the entire time, partly on battery and partly plugged in. Throughout my time spent with the game, neither the Deck's inputs or my hands and wrists experienced any issues whatsoever. At the time of writing (now with 151 hours clocked with the game), I feel confident in saying that the controls have proven themselves to be well-made, durable, and reliable; I expect my handhelds to have precise controls that I can trust, and the Steam Deck definitely delivers that. (As an aside, I never expected to use the four back-buttons at all, but they've proven to be very useful for mapping extra functions to. At the very least, I always use the L4 button for a more convenient way of taking screenshots!)


Hotshot Racing on Deck.

Super Bomberman R 2 launched as Steam Deck Unknown (though it was later given a Steam Deck Playable rating) but worked perfectly on the Deck at launch regardless. Speaking of which, it's worth testing anyway even in cases where a game is labelled as Steam Deck Unsupported, because outdated information can unfortunately persist for a while in the ratings. I encountered this with Hotshot Racing, which actually works perfectly on the hardware now.


A Steam Deck with a Nintendo Switch loaned by a relative for this photo.

Somewhat relating to the controls are the ergonomics. I get occasional carpal tunnel issues, but in my experience the Steam Deck is completely comfortable to hold and doesn't aggravate that at all, which is a refreshing change from a lot of other handhelds of the last decade or so - many devices are now often overly-thin and therefore painful to use. The shape and centre-of-gravity of the Steam Deck are well-thought-out; I had been told to expect the device to be large and heavy compared to other options on the market (and being short, it can actually cover my entire forearm and palm!), but it turned out to be a lot lighter and more well-balanced than I expected.

The force-feedback may as well not be there - it's super-weak, and you get just as much movement out of the speakers when they're at or near full volume. I can take or leave this feature in a handheld, though, as they don't usually have rumble at all, so I didn't find this to be a big deal.

Prior to getting my Steam Deck, I had heard it said that its display (with a resolution of 1280x800 - the industry-standard for handhelds of this size at this time) was a bit washed-out. I don't know if it's a difference in perception or the use of different parts at this point in the hardware's life, but I've found the screen on mine to be perfectly vibrant no matter what I've thrown at it.

The build-quality, at least with my particular unit, is superb, with solid, hardy materials throughout - I've owned devices from bigger names that weren't as well-made as this. There is a bit of flex in the area around the top vent, but that's expected since it's the narrowest part of the casing and it's necessary to have a bunch of holes there. Hopefully it won't be prone to warping from the heat, as is the case with other handhelds with similar vents, but only time will tell.

MineClone2, a game for the Minetest voxel engine, running on Steam Deck.


Bomberman Hero, running via Mupen64Plus-Next in RetroDECK.

The convenience of Steam (and Proton) is one of the main draws of the Steam Deck, but since it's really just a PC in console clothing you're not restricted to that alone, and it's easily possible to add non-Steam games and software to the device. However, this option is kept in desktop-mode (where it can be done by right-clicking any shortcut and choosing "Add to Steam"), which serves the purpose of keeping gaming-mode clean and simple. At the time of writing I haven't used this feature very much, but I did add Minetest by following this helpful article by one of its developers, followed by RetroDECK (by far my favourite emulation solution for the system), and it worked flawlessly. My only quibble with the process is that out of the box it's a bit fiddly to add artwork for non-Steam games, but this is an overall Steam issue, not a Deck-specific one, and I'm told that third-party solutions are available to deal with this. Adding Minetest was also how I learned that Valve allows for the uploading and downloading of community control layouts for non-Steam content, which is really handy!


Setting up a Netflix shortcut in Desktop Mode, to add as non-Steam software.


Netflix in Gaming Mode.

You can also add Firefox shortcuts to streaming-services as non-Steam items so that you can directly access them from Gaming Mode (in fact, you can do this with any URL or just the browser on its own). This is a little clunky, as sometimes you'll need to manually set the Web Browser controller-template but other times you won't, and at present if you map a button to switch to full-screen you'll become unable to interact with the browser at all. However, if you really want to quickly access the likes of Netflix and Disney+ from the Deck's main interface, then it is at least possible.


Dinky dock.

I was given a Steam Deck Docking Station alongside my Steam Deck, as well, and found setting that up to be just as easy as the main hardware - when I first connected it, the Deck informed me that an update needed to be applied to the dock, and once this was done, it worked correctly right away. Though the Steam Deck's dock is not quite as "automagic" as the one provided with the leading brand of dockable handheld due to having to manually plug the device in (which gives a satisfying little click to let you know that it's been done right), I found that it worked better for me overall, which makes the lack of drop-in connectivity a worthy trade-off.

The Deck dock has correctly detected every monitor I've used it with, and instantly works with them. This was not my experience of the other handheld brand, which often would not co-operate with particular monitors and cables, leading to no output and a lot of frustration, and it also required users to sit at a short distance and a funny angle in order to make its included wireless controllers work properly, which the Steam Deck does not ask of you when using wireless joypads.

If you wish to use external speakers when docking the Steam Deck, you'll want to have an amplifier handy. My monitor lacks in-built speakers, and when hooking up a set of Logitech Z120 speakers (USB-powered speakers with a standard 3.5mm plug), they ended up pretty quiet compared to the Deck's own, even though this is not the case when using other devices. This was not an issue when using wired earbuds - the Steam Deck can drive those just fine, and this ended up being a surprisingly immersive part of my docked testing.

The dock is a nice, compact little add-on that's easy to take wherever your Deck goes (of the gear needed to play games on a TV or monitor, it's the smallest component by far), and there are also plenty of third-party options as well, if Valve's own one isn't your cup of tea.


Two players venture into the native Linux maze-chase game, Pac-Man 256.

Hooking up wireless and wired gamepads is as simple and painless as it gets - at least for the ones that I have in my stash, including Xbox Series X (my preferred wireless controller at the moment), and a selection of wired USB RetroFlag, Xbox 360, and PowerA Nintendo Switch controllers. Local multiplayer gaming using the Steam Deck's dock is, as you would expect, great fun, and with enough controllers on hand it wasn't difficult to get some games going quite quickly. Bail or Jail (Obakeidoro!), Pac-Man 256, and Super Bomberman R 2 have all been big hits so far, and I'm looking forward to picking up more as time goes on.


Steam Deck as a laptop-replacement.

Of course, the Steam Deck isn't just for gaming - it's a full Linux PC under the hood, too! Specifically, one using KDE for its desktop environment (a DE which I hadn't used in 15 years, until now), which provides a GUI that's immediately familiar to most users, whether they have any prior Linux experience or not. On my other hardware I use Linux Mint Xfce Edition, and from experience with 1280x800 and 1280x720 devices I feel that Xfce is a better fit for the resolution used by the Steam Deck, as it doesn't try to pack so much information into a small space. However, I also understand that Xfce is probably too simplistic for most users' tastes, and feel that KDE was absolutely the right choice overall. My only major quibbles with the Steam Deck do happen to stem from this, though - not because I think that it's a bad choice, but because unfortunately I've encountered a lot of instability issues with it.

You can switch to Desktop Mode by long-pressing the Steam Deck's power-button, and then choosing "Switch to Desktop" from the resultant menu. For me, this is unfortunately where the troubles often begin - I've run into a lot of softlocks, hangs, and crashes when switching to and from this mode (along with some during general desktop usage), and though some of them have since been fixed by updates, some are still hanging around at this time. This instability isn't what I've come to expect from 16 years of using desktop Linux, but I'm reliably informed by others who use KDE often that my experience on the Deck isn't representative of using it with a daily-driver distro designed for desktops. That said, once you've switched into KDE and it's behaving itself, you can use the Steam Deck like any other Linux PC, and it works well for that. Plenty of software to carry out just about any task that you can think of is available from the Discover "store" GUI, and it's easy to install and manage, much the same as on any other OS, Linux or otherwise.

I did notice that when maximising windows in Desktop Mode using an external monitor with a higher resolution than the Steam Deck, there's an odd little quirk whereby if you do so within the 1280x800 space that corresponds to the Steam Deck's display, they will only maximise to that size, and not to the full size of the external monitor. Shifting them outside of that space before maximising them works around this. I'm told that this is due to Desktop Mode using x11 instead of Wayland. That's pretty much the only oddity that I came across aside from the aforementioned instability.

Using the Deck as a PC is usually perfectly responsive, and even with the problems that I've encountered it grew on me quite a bit as I was working on this review, and I could quite happily use the machine as a stand-in for a laptop or desktop if the need arises.

With the combination of docked gaming and desktop modes, I would say that the Steam Deck is almost like a modern equivalent to the Coleco Adam, Sega SG-1000 with SK-1100 keyboard, and Nintendo Famicom with Family BASIC keyboard, but with technology that's finally caught up with the concept.

When running portably, battery-life for a stock LCD Steam Deck, with the only settings change being to turn the brightness down significantly from its retina-searing default, sits at about three to four hours, depending on what you're doing with it (with a charging time of about 2.5 hours when in sleep and, with the types of games I typically play, about 3 when charging whilst playing) - this is broadly similar to my experiences of any other modern Linux portable with this size of battery. At the time of writing I have yet to experiment very much with the various power-saving settings, as I primarily wanted to cover the stock experience. That said, the first time that I tried them it resulted in a 60Hz-locked title running at half-speed, leaving it feeling like an exercise in wading through mush! For games not prone to issues with cranking down the Deck's refresh-rate, I could barely tell the difference between 60Hz and 40Hz, however, so I'll certainly be doing more with that going forward. Sleep and wake also work as they should, and the Steam Deck wouldn't be half as good without them, since it allows for so much flexibility in how you play.

I don't play so-called "AAA" titles as they don't suit my tastes, so I can't comment on how the Deck experience is for those. For my taste in games - for the most part, titles in long-established genres that would often be considered "retro", which never tend to have high system-requirements even when they're new - the Steam Deck is ideal, and will last me a long time yet. I also don't play titles that use anti-cheat/anti-tamper, and thus haven't had a single issue with getting games to run. If you engage with games using those utilities, it's worth knowing that these things break every so often, so you won't always find smooth sailing with such titles on Linux.

The Steam Deck's biggest downside is distribution - it's not available globally at the time of writing, and amongst the countries where it is available, it only has a brick-and-mortar retail presence in a few of them. I'm not an expert in this field and have no idea about the intricacies involved, so all I can say is that it's a genuine pity that Valve has yet to make the machine available as widely as possible. Hopefully this will change going forward, especially with a hardware-revision now on the horizon - one of the strengths of handhelds, aside from their portability, is usually having widespread availability, after all!

Would I recommend the Steam Deck as a games-console replacement? Yes and no. As a 40-something Brit who grew up when home-microcomputers were the only viable gaming platforms in the country, and who has always appreciated the transferrable computing skills that I picked up from getting my start in gaming that way, I would say absolutely! And if you're a particularly budget-conscious gamer (something that was commonplace during the home-micro era due to the far lower cost of games back then), this feels like one of the best options out there, since PC gaming is generally lower-cost than console gaming, and there are often giveaways on various storefronts - and you're not forced to give up your old library when a new device comes along, either.

However, as someone who understands that there are always going to be problems with anti-cheat and anti-tamper on Linux, I would say that it's not the right choice for those who will want every single game in their library to just work, especially if online multiplayer titles that make use of such solutions are expected to work 100% of the time. This will only lead to frustration.

That said, if you want a nicely-spec'ed and versatile dockable gaming-specific handheld that's likely to be a stable target for developers for at least a few more years and which can play a truly staggering amount of games and other content out-of-the-box, and are aware of and are willing to work with the caveats, you're likely to be well-served by the Steam Deck.

I've often heard people state that the Steam Deck's portability changed how they play games, but I'm a portables person in the first place, so I didn't expect it to make such a difference to me. I was wrong - it did, and it now goes absolutely everywhere with me, just because the user-experience is so good. Even better, its versatility has prompted me to step out of my comfort-zone and try games that I just wouldn't have considered before (Layers of Fear (2016) and Mia and the Dragon Princess have proven to be a couple of my favourite experiences of the year). By its very nature it's never going to be quite as plug-and-play as a console, but compared to devices that just give you gaming-controls and a standard desktop interface, the Steam Deck currently offers the best handheld gaming-PC experience out there, bar none.

Hopefully Valve will increase the hardware's availability and will continue making more machines like this in the future - their first handheld has set a high bar, being incredibly fun to use and feeling like it's always inviting you to play, and I'm looking forward to seeing where things will go in the years to come.

Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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I'm Lady Pengling of the Principality of Sealand - a Linux user since 2007, and a full-time Linux-gamer since 2021. I'm a portables enthusiast, a big fan of the Bomberman series, and a lover of retro-gaming and classic action genres such as platformers and maze-chase games.
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Pengling Nov 13, 2023
Quoting: dpanterWell said.
Thanks very much!

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderOh man that brings back from old memories.......
You can see how long I've been into maze-chase games from this alone.

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderFirst image of the case and the first gameplay image both have Bomberman in them...... I think im going to need to start a Bomberman counter for you.......
Go, Spider, go!

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderNot sure why..... But it looks like the Steam Deck has just given birth to the Switch.......
Well, I certainly didn't expect that.

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderHow are you finding the xbox controller???...... You have had that awhile now..... Holding up well???.....
It seems fine so far - I'm a big fan of the d-pad, too, it's really nice.

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderI really like how you edited that picture to shrink yourself down into the image to make the Steam Deck look much bigger than yourself.....
Heheheheh.

Honestly, I didn't originally plan to have the statue in that photo, but the original version wound up with a massive empty space on one side, so I re-took it with the statue to fill it. It came out much better!

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderOK..... All stupid jokes aside..... Thats a really nice and well thought out review......
Hehe, thankyou very much.

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderMentions of Bomberman - 5
Images with Bomberman - 8 (Yes I included your Steam avatar...... Its a image of Bomberman......)
I'm afraid that your numbers are a bit out, my friend! It is indeed 5 in the text, but in the pictures it's 18 - you missed some mugshots, lines of text, and my GOL avatar.

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderAlso apparently I was wrong about what I said on the Steam chat....... Nuns do indeed work Sundays.........
I'm sure that Liam will be delighted to know that he's now a nun!

Quoting: fabertaweExcellent review I really should use mine more!
You should!

Incidentally, I wanted to fit this into the review somewhere since it was almost finished by the time of the Steam Deck OLED announcement, but I couldn't fit it in and make it work: Most of what applies to the original release will also still apply to that model. That's the good thing about having a set target, even when it gets small revisions!

Quoting: denyasisTook the words out of my mouth! That was a great read!!
Many thanks! I had a really good time writing it - I hope to do this again sometime!

Quoting: GuestI just love your Sonic pencil case
Hahaha, thankyou! That goes pretty much everywhere my Steam Deck goes, too, since I'm old-fashioned and still do notes on paper as well as on computers. It's by the UK company Pyramid International.

Quoting: BlackBloodRumIt's strange to see the Deck's case without the pull tab to lift the deck out with.
Until you said that it was a thing, I honestly had no idea that the tab was present on the earlier version of the case! I guess it's not weird if you never had one...

Quoting: ElectricPrismIts just a matter of finding the right game.

Stardew Valley is a great play on Deck.

Then of course Ship of Harkinian (Ocarina of Time)

And I am sure there are many more,

Tony Hawk HD or equiv

Halo MCC

BioShock 1 Remastered

Imo are all good picks
Needs more Bomberman. Really, though, these are great picks!

My own favourites since getting mine, leaving out emulated stuff since you can do that pretty much anywhere, have been;

Ape Out
Bail or Jail (Obakeidoro!)
Capcom Arcade Stadium
Crash Bandicoot: N. Sane Trilogy
Devolver Bootleg
Doom II
FUR Squadron
Frog Detective 3: Corruption at Cowboy County
Gang Beasts
Hotshot Racing
Layers of Fear (2016) (Native Linux, but you're better off using Proton to avoid some occasionally game-breaking rendering bugs that the native version has)
Looking for Aliens
Mia and the Dragon Princess
Namco Museum Archives Vol. 1
Nippon Marathon
Placid Plastic Duck Simulator
Sega Mega Drive & Genesis Classics
Super Bomberman R 2
Vampire Survivors
Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap
YUMENIKKI -DREAM DIARY-

Quoting: GroganVery good article Pengling, great effort, resulting in great work. I understand a little more about the Steam Deck now.
Many thanks! I'm glad I was able to provide some insight.

Quoting: GroganThat's not the device for me (I would have a hard time with that small screen) but I can see where it would be great for certain games and it's easy to take with you everywhere.
Yeah, portables aren't going to be for everyone, but the Deck is definitely an excellent example of one - it really has everything that it needs, and nothing that it doesn't.

Quoting: GroganI shake my head when I see lists of most popular games on the Steam Deck though. "GTA V... really?" lol
I do too - they need more Bomberman!

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderI know what you mean......

GTA Vice City is a much better game!!!.........
Still needs more Bomberman.

Quoting: LoftyThanks for the great write up
Thankyou. Thanks for reading it!

Quoting: LoftyIm interested in a steam deck (more so 8" handhelds with better 1200p / 1600p screens).
I'm not too sure if higher resolutions than the now-standardised 720p/800p are a great fit for this power-envelope - there'd definitely be a sacrifice in terms of battery-life, unfortunately...

Quoting: Loftybut i also can't help but wonder if just buying a 14" laptop with an integrated GPU (even if it's no more than just 20- 30% more powerful than the deck') wouldn't be a better idea and just installing HoloOS / Chimera etc, and adding a bluetooth controller. i mean i get portability, but i don't play games outside of the house, or on the toilet lol. In bed or couch i could use a small cheap laptop tray (that could also house my drink) to place it on. Everything else other than holding it myself would be in theory better hardware wise (perhaps not the speakers).
Quoting: Loftyi guess though price is a factor too.a similar powered laptop is a few hundred more at least.
Price is definitely an issue with laptops - the Steam Deck packs in a hell of a lot for what it costs*, and I haven't yet seen a laptop of roughly-equivalent ability that can compete on price (and I'm a big fan of laptops, so I'd love that). Valve really did a fantastic job of designing to cost, here!

*I could easily see the Steam Deck becoming a good option for families wanting to do gaming and proper computing for a relatively low cost, much like the home-micros of Ye Olde Times.

Quoting: Loftyi think id buy the reduced price LCD model if it was available in store so i could return if i did not like it.
And this is a great example of the current lack of widespread distribution presenting problems.

Quoting: LoftyI suppose there is the GPD Win, but the pricing isn't there yet. perhaps the next alteration with a 8" screen with better analogues might be what i would need, but again other than holding it myself a 14" laptop would probably be similar. i still have my gaming pc but im not sure the idea of carrying something from room to room justifies the expense.
GPD makes nice stuff (I have a GPD Win Max 2021, as mentioned in the review, and also a GPD MicroPC, which is a nice little palmtop - they're both well-built and have been nothing but reliable), but I don't think that I've ever seen their prices come down much. If their gear suits you, it might be worth keeping an eye on their Western distributors to see when they've got offers on (I got both of mine from a UK company called DroiX, and got the Win Max 2021 when a discount was available).

Quoting: Loftyid probably dock the deck to the TV and just play retro games anyway.
Depending on how far your own definition of "retro" goes (I know that this varies, even amongst retro fans!), this sort of thing is probably better served by a Raspberry Pi, really.

Quoting: Purple Library GuyEhhh, the kids these days watch movies on their freakin' phones.
I've never been able to get my head around that! It wasn't a good user-experience for me when I tried it (which I had to last Halloween when Disney broke Disney+'s Linux support), and even less so now that I need reading-glasses.
Lofty Nov 13, 2023
Quoting: PenglingDepending on how far your own definition of "retro" goes (I know that this varies, even amongst retro fans!), this sort of thing is probably better served by a Raspberry Pi, really.

ohh i have a pi400 but i find it slow and unreliable. it's not a good plaform imo, i cant even make it play 1080p60 video on youtube it's just not powerful enough, but i have a mini celeron PC for that which works fine even at 4k.

Emulation wise typically PS1 games, but PS2 also, i do know the steam deck is not a do it all device for emulation. On my PC i can easily emulate PS3 at 4k and that's where about id like to be for a TV emulation box. I also like to run decent quality shaders on games and from what i have seen 800p isn't enough pixels to properly get close to that CRT effect, hence why id like a higher resolution handheld eventually. Id imagine a steam deck 2 in a few years will handle everything PS3 and under at a decent resolution when docked to the TV, that is if it does not have a USB5 port for an e-gpu or a dock with a gpu built in as an option from valve.


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Grogan Nov 13, 2023
Quoting: PenglingI do too - they need more Bomberman!

Heheh, fair enough! :-)
Grogan Nov 13, 2023
Quoting: Purple Library GuyEhhh, the kids these days watch movies on their freakin' phones.

True, but even with their (much) keener eyesight, I couldn't imagine controlling a game like GTA on such a device. However, the last "handheld" game I had was Coleco Football in the 70's with those little blips to dodge. When you got a touchdown it was this little chime "neee neee ne ne neee neeee" as your reward :-)

I wouldn't sit there and watch a whole movie on a phone, but clips. Have it at the right distance and it's do-able. I can't play silly games on the phone though. Once I thought I'd get this super cool sniper game. I should say it was playable, it consisted of tapping on the target and then the game did the rest. The only challenge was my sausage fingers. It was a funny thing to have on my phone, but you could literally watch the battery meter drain while playing it. (I had a somewhat older phone at the time too). Even solitaire, the cards are too small lol
TruckStopSantaClaus Nov 13, 2023
Huh, I think this is the first time I've heard of RetroDeck. Is it better than Emudeck or something?
Pengling Nov 13, 2023
Quoting: Loftyohh i have a pi400 but i find it slow and unreliable. it's not a good plaform imo, i cant even make it play 1080p60 video on youtube it's just not powerful enough, but i have a mini celeron PC for that which works fine even at 4k.

Emulation wise typically PS1 games, but PS2 also, i do know the steam deck is not a do it all device for emulation. On my PC i can easily emulate PS3 at 4k and that's where about id like to be for a TV emulation box. I also like to run decent quality shaders on games and from what i have seen 800p isn't enough pixels to properly get close to that CRT effect, hence why id like a higher resolution handheld eventually. Id imagine a steam deck 2 in a few years will handle everything PS3 and under at a decent resolution when docked to the TV, that is if it does not have a USB5 port for an e-gpu or a dock with a gpu built in as an option from valve.
My "retro" basically goes up to about the PlayStation and Nintendo 64 (where the Pi4 excels if you set up a RetroPie card), as most hardware after that never offered me much that I wanted, so I have zero experience with the PlayStation 2 and 3, either in real-hardware or emulation. Though I'm pretty sure the Deck can handle PlayStation 2 and its contemporaries, I have zero clue how the PlayStation 3 would fare.

I'm also not inclined to use shaders either, so haven't had the need for a higher resolution, though I do know they're at their best that way. It's all stuff that I just don't know enough about to comment on.

Quoting: GroganHeheh, fair enough! :-)
You know it!

Quoting: TruckStopSantaClausHuh, I think this is the first time I've heard of RetroDeck. Is it better than Emudeck or something?
I haven't used EmuDeck so I can't comment on whether one is better than the other. I just personally like RetroDECK because it's self-contained and very easy to set up (you install a Flatpak, run it once, then put your files in the folder it creates in your home-directory), and is forked from 351ELEC/EmuELEC, which I already liked using on other hardware.


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ShabbyX Nov 13, 2023
I love my deck, don't get me wrong, it's awesome for travel, and gets me to sleep earlier since I can play in bed until I drop asleep, but the fact that the screen and controls are in the same place (true for every handheld) is tiring for the body.

Ideally, you want to look straight into a screen, while holding the controls low so your arms are in rest position. With handhelds, you either have to hold the heavy thing up for your neck to have a better time, or bend your neck down for hours for your arms to not get tired.

I'm back on spending more time on my deck these days, but I don't think I can sustain that.


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Quoting: ShabbyXI love my deck, don't get me wrong, it's awesome for travel, and gets me to sleep earlier since I can play in bed until I drop asleep, but the fact that the screen and controls are in the same place (true for every handheld) is tiring for the body.

Ideally, you want to look straight into a screen, while holding the controls low so your arms are in rest position. With handhelds, you either have to hold the heavy thing up for your neck to have a better time, or bend your neck down for hours for your arms to not get tired.

I'm back on spending more time on my deck these days, but I don't think I can sustain that.
Yeah, sometimes when playing with deck in bed I used to hold the deck directly above my head, my arms would tire which once led to dropping my deck directly on my face (it was fine, no damage done to the deck)

Suffice to say, I don't play it like that anymore.
Lofty Nov 13, 2023
Quoting: ShabbyXI love my deck, don't get me wrong, it's awesome for travel, and gets me to sleep earlier since I can play in bed until I drop asleep, but the fact that the screen and controls are in the same place (true for every handheld) is tiring for the body.

Ideally, you want to look straight into a screen, while holding the controls low so your arms are in rest position. With handhelds, you either have to hold the heavy thing up for your neck to have a better time, or bend your neck down for hours for your arms to not get tired.

I'm back on spending more time on my deck these days, but I don't think I can sustain that.

This is what i was getting at (earlier in the thread), that a 14" laptop or a GPD win type device with a movable screen would maybe be better for me long term as you can position it where you want and lay it flat on a cheap tray for bed / couch use and it's still a portable device with great battery life. The only and major downside of these two options is the ridiculous pricing. If GPD ( or another brand ) would make a cheaper steam deck priced competitor with decent x86 hardware rivaling that of the steam deck, id prefer that kind of arrangement for a more long term solution. The new versions of GPD seem to be moving towards handheld rather than compact gaming laptop so im not sure this is going to happen.

possible cheaper alternative for bed/couch is to simply buy a kick stand for a deck and place it on a tray then use a bluetooth controller.
Purple Library Guy Nov 13, 2023
Quoting: TruckStopSantaClausHuh, I think this is the first time I've heard of RetroDeck. Is it better than Emudeck or something?
Well, if you have an emu, obviously Emudeck is better.
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