Valve reveals Steam Deck OLED for November 16th

Quoting: EikeThis was a joke regarding expectations of gamers always wanting more.

So true!!! Never satisfied!

Quoting: MohandevirFor my part, all that's missing is USB4 support and an egpu docking station.

Read: self-mockery.


Last edited by Mohandevir on 10 November 2023 at 3:17 pm UTC

So many complains in this thread... I think you people don't understand how privileged you are that can buy this hardware (and even if you bought deck two weeks ago, you still have one! enjoy that). LCD, OLED or no screen, any option would be a no-brainier buy for anyone in south america.


Last edited by x_wing on 10 November 2023 at 3:41 pm UTC

Quoting: ArehandoroCan the original Steam be upgraded with this new OLED? Can the new battery be installed on the original?

If the answer to both is no, even if by sending to Valve in case they don’t provide the parts to other vendors, I’m rather unhappy with this. Too early for a revision.

Edit: I just saw the HDR screen doesn’t fit in the old one.

I really don't get this reasoning, essentially being mad someone gets something newer.

It's basically been two years. An eternity for devices like this. I'd be mad if they *didn't* switch to using more power efficient chips at least, it's a good thing.

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Quoting: BlackBloodRum

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI wonder how that works, actually. Is the whole thing just 0.4" bigger overall, or was there space around the edge of the existing screen that could be moved into so the device is the same size just with a bigger hole for the screen, or somewhere in between? Did they need to shift the controls any?

The screen had a large border:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/HwNrva8kmRp6DvT5pzYbBY.jpg

My guess is they just used some of that space.

Yeah, looks plausible.

Yeah. From what I heard (Linus Tech Tips), they achieved it by shrinking the bezels. The overall size of the screen is unchanged. So, the original SD's screen might be upgradable. Let's wait and see...

Yeah. From what I heard (Linus Tech Tips), they achieved it by shrinking the bezels. The overall size of the screen is unchanged. So, the original SD's screen might be upgradable. Let's wait and see...[/quote]

In the Gamers Nexus video on it touches on this with a "statement" from a avlave engineer saying it isnt possible to swap in the OLED screen to a non OLED model; see at below timestamp:

https://youtu.be/nfulSFtsH0c?t=486

Quoting: Cmdr_Iras

Quoting: MohandevirYeah. From what I heard (Linus Tech Tips), they achieved it by shrinking the bezels. The overall size of the screen is unchanged. So, the original SD's screen might be upgradable. Let's wait and see...

In the Gamers Nexus video on it touches on this with a "statement" from a avlave engineer saying it isnt possible to swap in the OLED screen to a non OLED model; see at below timestamp:

https://youtu.be/nfulSFtsH0c?t=486

Damn! Not that it matters to me. I wouldn't embark on that journey. But for those who would like to...


Last edited by Mohandevir on 10 November 2023 at 5:07 pm UTC

Quoting: MohandevirWow! Awesome!

Can we expect the ram speed boost to give a couple of additional fps?

Yes, just a couple. Digital Foundry did a review of the unit and confirmed this.

Quoting: sarmad

Quoting: MohandevirWow! Awesome!

Can we expect the ram speed boost to give a couple of additional fps?

Yes, just a couple. Digital Foundry did a review of the unit and confirmed this.

Just a couple is already good. This couple of FPS will probably make some games more enjoyable, when in the 25-30-35fps range.

Edit: Around 5% to 8% better, in average, depending on games. From 2 to 5 fps. I heard right? Not bad. I'll take them. It aligns with some videos I found, when I searched for the performance difference between DDR4-3200 & DDR4-2666, couple of months ago.


Last edited by Mohandevir on 10 November 2023 at 6:41 pm UTC

Quoting: elmapulvalve will think twice before they launch the deck 2, after all , tey dont know how to count to 3

Oh trust me they know, we got SteamOS 3 when the Deck first launched after all ;)

Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: F.UltraWhere does the pain come from? I understand that OLED usually have higher brightness, but since that is a setting I guess that we are talking about something else?

Eyestrain and migraines. I'm told that OLEDs flicker like CRTs did (I had the same problem with those - LCDs were a godsend! ), which would both explain it and suggest that it can't be avoided.

Ah, was about to ask if you had the same issues with CRTs. Yes OLED:s "flicker" to control brightness so I can see why that might be an issue, probably different from model to model since the frequency of the flicker differs and once the frequency goes high enough I suspect that the issue should go away from sensitive people (the current issue is that the frequency is just above the detectable threshold and not way above, prob to save on power).

Quoting: F.Ultra

Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: F.UltraWhere does the pain come from? I understand that OLED usually have higher brightness, but since that is a setting I guess that we are talking about something else?

Eyestrain and migraines. I'm told that OLEDs flicker like CRTs did (I had the same problem with those - LCDs were a godsend! ), which would both explain it and suggest that it can't be avoided.

Ah, was about to ask if you had the same issues with CRTs. Yes OLED:s "flicker" to control brightness so I can see why that might be an issue, probably different from model to model since the frequency of the flicker differs and once the frequency goes high enough I suspect that the issue should go away from sensitive people (the current issue is that the frequency is just above the detectable threshold and not way above, prob to save on power).

It's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

WAY bigger news that I was expecting, this is practically Steam Deck 1.5
Never a bad time to join the Steam Deck club!

Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that we mostly wanted higher refresh rates for CRTs to reduce the eye destroying flicker, not to make games run smoother or whatever. Whereas an LCD doesn't really have a flicker problem, even with the old fluorescent backlights.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that we mostly wanted higher refresh rates for CRTs to reduce the eye destroying flicker, not to make games run smoother or whatever. Whereas an LCD doesn't really have a flicker problem, even with the old fluorescent backlights.

And digital LCD display was just sooo much better than anything analogue.

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that we mostly wanted higher refresh rates for CRTs to reduce the eye destroying flicker, not to make games run smoother or whatever. Whereas an LCD doesn't really have a flicker problem, even with the old fluorescent backlights.

And digital LCD display was just sooo much better than anything analogue.

To be fair, back when LCD displays started to take over, they weren't that great. The colours and contrast were pretty damn awful compared to a decent CRT.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that we mostly wanted higher refresh rates for CRTs to reduce the eye destroying flicker, not to make games run smoother or whatever. Whereas an LCD doesn't really have a flicker problem, even with the old fluorescent backlights.

And digital LCD display was just sooo much better than anything analogue.

To be fair, back when LCD displays started to take over, they weren't that great. The colours and contrast were pretty damn awful compared to a decent CRT.

I might be wrong an "any". But what I remember very good is that when I had seen LCDs with digital ports & cables, I didn't know any analogue display I considered on par.

I don't get the whiny attitude when a new version comes out. Isn't it for people who haven't bought one yet?

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: slaapliedjeIt's kind of amusing to me that CRTs started off as 50/60hz, then higher end monitors started getting really high refresh rates (like the one I have that'll do 1600x1200 at 85hz). Then when we started with LCDs, we were back to having crappy refresh rates, with the added disadvantage of any non-native resolution looking like trash... Many years later, they're finally getting better.

You're forgetting or ignoring the fact that we mostly wanted higher refresh rates for CRTs to reduce the eye destroying flicker, not to make games run smoother or whatever. Whereas an LCD doesn't really have a flicker problem, even with the old fluorescent backlights.

CRTs didn't either, except when you'd try to do foolish things like interlace. Well, or if you were someone not in the 60hz locations... While there are benefits of PAL, a higher refresh rate is not one of them, and there is definitely flicker to most people at 50hz vs 60hz.

There are definitely benefits and disadvantages to each tech. Older stuff though, was designed for a CRT, so on occasion can look like utter trash on an flat screen. Especially when you're looking at 8-16bit stuff.

Quoting: 14I don't get the whiny attitude when a new version comes out. Isn't it for people who haven't bought one yet?

My whine is fully tongue in cheek. Watching the Gamer's Nexus tear down of the new one vs the old one... there are many more changes than just 'we added OLED'. The screen is slightly bigger, the cooling is better, the layout requires less components (so less heat / power?), controllers should be easier to repair, same with touch pads, and even the screen replacement should be easier.

It's more repairable, basically, on top of the upgrades to hardware. One thing I noticed though, it looks like the Wifi Module is now on the motherboard, rather than being replaceable.

Quoting: slaapliedjeWatching the Gamer's Nexus tear down of the new one vs the old one... there are many more changes than just 'we added OLED'.

Yes, bad news for who wanted to use parts of the new Steam deck on the old one