AYANEO NEXT LITE handheld announced with SteamOS Linux

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: dubigrasuSo AYANEO OS...whatever was called, what happened with it?

They must have realised it's better to go with SteamOS, than fragment things further.

maybe it was vaporware, they didnt knew how to react to steamOS so they pretend to have an plan to adress it in the mean time while they decided their next move, they watched the market closely to see how the deck would perform against the windows devices, to see if they could get an nice deal from microsoft, to see if it would be worth create their own system or just use something made by someone else, then finally decided on it.

Quoting: fenglengshunThis is good. I wouldn't mind people favoring ROG or Lenovo Go had they run Linux. I just want them to run Linux to push adoption, don't really care what the teams are winning as long as team Linux won.

Gives me hope we'll see more Linux desktop releases. Wouldn't be a surprise for some SKUs for less economic country to put Linux to save money - in Indonesia, there was a time they shipped Linux by default to save money with expectation user will go to a shop to install Windows or have someone to do it for them.

Brasil had the same thing, the employees who sold the computer often ofered to install windows (pirated) on it if i remember correctly...

Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: StoneColdSpiderKind of spooky..... We were just talking about something like this the other day........

Now let's see how much else of what we discussed shows up here.

Quoting: MohandevirLow cost, entry level handheld with SteamOS... Direct competitor to the Steam Deck... I was expecting a high end SteamOS based handheld... Would have made more sense, imo. Unless they aim to sell it where the Steam Deck is unavailable?

I'll be surprised if they are able to match the Steam Deck price brackets.

The high-end SteamOS handheld is the Steam Deck. Really, though, this makes perfect sense, but only assuming it's as low-cost as the literature so far implies.

The "Blue Ocean Strategy" has a term for this, and it's how all market disruption starts: "Crappy products for crappy customers.". That's not crappy as in low-quality, but rather "crappy" as in the big players in the market rejected them and refuse to cater to them even though there's a ready-made market just waiting to hand over their money (the fact that Linux gaming recently overtook Mac gaming, but we're still seeing companies refusing to support Linux whilst making large concessions for MacOS also plays into this).

The lack of certain features isn't a problem, either, for that reason - in fact, some more "Lite" options are likely to help adoption (as well as hopefully cover regions where the Steam Deck is not yet available).

in other words, companies like valve target the most profitable markets, while smaller companies target the markets that valve isnt interessed yet...

it makes me think if valve money isnt involved here, like if they purchase actions in the stock market and are using it to test the waters, with an smaller brand that wont hurt they reputation if it fails (like white labeling it)

people asked about licencing cost...
so long as developing proton is more expensive than developing their own linux distro, i dont see why valve would charge for anything, the biggest the marketshare the more advantage for then.

once they got enough marketshare and some kind of exclusive features appear on their OS and developer actually use those features, they might consider charging for their OS.

speaking of charging, i wonder if microsoft always charge for licence sold (per unit sold) of windows, or if they share the cost of development of their operating system with other companies, as well as share the profits.

i mean, if you want to make your own hardware to sell, and you have to integrate with windows, but you cant access the windows source code and have to wait for microsoft to test and aprove your experimental drivers while you are still prototyping the hardware, you are screwed, i doubt microsoft work in that fashion with big companies, it probably is more like "co developed with intel", that said, smaller companies like aya have no hope of ever having access to something like the windows source code to have an better integration of their hardware to the inner core of windows, that is, if they need an feature that require such deep levels of integration, like, i dont know, an custom instruction set for fast video decoding with low power consumption... or more likely something like an gamepad with more axis and buttons, linux provide then with the advantage of being able to add new features as they want without asking for permission to do anything or having to reveal their plans, but if they chose steamOS instead of an in-house distro, either valve provided then with everything they needed or they havent needed anything custom...
still that is something to consider when we talk about other vendors.

Updated with AYANEO statement, it's HoloISO, not partnership with Valve.

Quoting: elmapulin other words, companies like valve target the most profitable markets, while smaller companies target the markets that valve isnt interessed yet...

No, that's not what it means at all. Valve is leading the charge in targetting Linux-gaming, which is a market that companies keep passing up - the Steam Deck is also an example of the "Crappy products for crappy customers." approach to disruption, and now we're seeing other companies wanting to follow and offer more of that now that it's sold what's believed to be millions.

Quoting: elmapulit makes me think if valve money isnt involved here, like if they purchase actions in the stock market and are using it to test the waters, with an smaller brand that wont hurt they reputation if it fails (like white labeling it)

That's doubtful - Ayaneo has been making handheld gaming-PCs since before Valve was.

Quoting: Liam DaweUpdated with AYANEO statement, it's HoloISO, not partnership with Valve.

Aw, I was hoping to hear something from Valve about this today! Still, it doesn't detract from how interesting and potentially important of a development this is - that all remains the same regardless.

Bleh, guess I didn't have enough fingers. Concerned this might hurt the Linux gaming handheld scene instead. I didn't trust Ayaneo before, things like this sure don't help and I definitely don't trust their ability to maintain a fringe spin of a fringe distro.
What will they do when issues start happening? Tell people to install Windows instead?

Quoting: dpanterBleh, guess I didn't have enough fingers. Concerned this might hurt the Linux gaming handheld scene instead. I didn't trust Ayaneo before, things like this sure don't help and I definitely don't trust their ability to maintain a fringe spin of a fringe distro.
What will they do when issues start happening? Tell people to install Windows instead?

its even worse if the hardware is crap and they dont tell people to install windows, because people might think linux/steamOS is the issue, since its not an well know OS.
when people had an poor experience with netbooks due to windows being crap on it, the netbook form factor suffered instead of windows, because people know that windows performs well in stronger machines.
if this hardware is crap and people have an bad experience with linux on it and dont try installing windows on the same machine they might think linux is trash...

Quoting: dpanterBleh, guess I didn't have enough fingers. Concerned this might hurt the Linux gaming handheld scene instead. I didn't trust Ayaneo before, things like this sure don't help and I definitely don't trust their ability to maintain a fringe spin of a fringe distro.
What will they do when issues start happening? Tell people to install Windows instead?

The same thing they do for issues with their Windows handhelds - say nothing and release a new model every two weeks.

Quoting: japzoneAlso, if Valve is charging little to nothing to use the OS, what benefit would there be to Ayaneo to spend money on their own OS? The point of skipping Windows is that it saves money and allows a more tailored hand-held experience. If they can get both without spending a bunch of money on Linux OS maintainers, that'd be a huge win.

"More tailored handheld experience" and "Windows" are not compatible on the same phrase ;)

If you look at the Rog Ally and Lenovo Legion, you'll see that they have to pay developer hours to have their in-house hardware management and game central apps to emulate what SteamOS does natively on that matter, and would require only a few changes to make it work in other hardware.

And at the end of the day, after closing those apps you will still have the Windows Desktop experience, where things on screen will be little and you have to configure further, or gamepads will not be available for you to input basic commands like suspend, shutdown, etc...

So yeah, they still have to develop stuff if they are OEM'ing Windows.


Last edited by nwildner on 11 January 2024 at 11:31 am UTC