MONSTER HUNTER RISE adds new DRM that breaks it on Steam Deck (UPDATED)

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: LoudTechie

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Quoting: NeoTheFoxA reminder that Enigma is developed by a russian company, and they are trying to actively hide that fact.
Also, check this post out: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2183650/discussions/0/7091547146187298312/

What's wrong with Russian companies?

This requires cultural background.
Many of us are citizens of "the west" and have more trust in countries our own country places trust in(to your choice due to propaganda or democracy).
Normally this's no issue, but for something like drm we know it can do anything on our computer and we actively install it.
For some people this is reason to install no drm for others it's reason to be selctive.
The link he gave was supposed to further discredit the idea that using Enigma is a good idea. The indication for this was the also.
What's the specific thread feared as far as I get it, it's the fear you might not be able to sue someone once they fuck you over.
A link with the same credibility as the past one, which actually touches on the Enigma Russia issue https://steamcommunity.com/app/222480/discussions/0/6852856365577877489/.

I read the link - again who cares? This targetting of Russians is borderline racist. Like we have the US with a history of spying on everyone (citizens and allies alike) and nobody cares about installing US DRM (even though its far more likely to hack you).

Like the whole "target Russia" thing is super weird - there's wars all over the place (look at the genocide Israel is doing in Gaza right now and nobody seems to be saying "its an Isreali company, we shouldn't use it). This double standard is concerning and reminiscent of ethnic based targetting of Germans and Japanese during WW2.

I highly doubt that the company is gonna fuck you over, besides its put on capcoms games so then capcom can be sued.

It's nationalist they aren't angry at Russia or Russians. They're afraid afraid of them.
A westerner can sue a western government who's illegally spying on them and have a real chance of winning.
These people don't express this fear about Israel, because they trust them to be held accountable when sued and only seriously spy on those who threaten them, which happen to be basically only people who aren't them.
Also people not saying "don't buy from Israelian companies" is simply not true people. They do that all the time there is even a website https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott.

I don't doubt they're gonna fuck me over, they're a drm company it's their job.
True, Capcom can be sued, but the fear of their boss getting sued doesn't scare subcontractors. The juridical system has an important job as "threat" and to Enigma it doesn't fill that requirement.

Also the Ukraine War is extra important to much of the West, because it is right at their doorstep.
Behind Ukraine lie tons of NATO members(according to most western acknowledged territory claims Russian missiles have already landed and exploded in NATO territory: Transnistria or as NATO would call it Romania) and the attack happened right when Ukraine cozied up to the West.
I understand why this spooked Putin, but that doesn't mean a war at Europe's doorstep stops scaring Europe or the USA(who is just perma spooked by everything look at their military spending).

We should also note that the West didn't respond with as much writ to the Annexation of the Krim.
That's because it's learned behavior from WWII to test some European country's imperialistic ambition by giving them the first thing they ask for, but when the second thing comes along to strike.


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Quoting: LoudTechieA westerner can sue a western government who's illegally spying on them and have a real chance of winning.

Uhhh . . . how real?

Quoting: GuestSure they can sue Russia or Russians. To this day (funny enough) Russia keeps upholding Western copyright (Belarus doesn't though) which is why alot of Russians remain scared to just blatantly rip off Western brands. Besides, if Capcom gets sued they'll likely force Enigma or whoever to pay them back/will take their business away. So it doesn't matter.

Ever heard of Sci-Hub it prevails to this day, because Russia doesn't.

Quoting: GuestReally? Then how did Germany threaten the US? or other US allies like South Korea?

By annexing SudetenLand which was part of a country the allies promised to protect specifically from german agression.
Even attacking Poland and France(all U.S allies) wasn't enough to get specific USA soldiers on their doorstep sinking US ships and trying to ally with its enemies(Mexico and Japan) were needed to get that.

Quoting: GuestSure there's a site for it, but the dominant discourse in the West is not about sanctioning Israel or its products. Indeed, we have seen how Western countries have pulled out of Russia, while the scale of the genocide in Israel is much greater. The fact that everyone seems to be okay with it is rather concerning, and that there is a double standard about it.

The companies pulling back is an effect of government pressure not social pressure, which is fully motivated by governmental fear. The western governements believe Israel won't target them(because they're its only allies in hostile world) and aren't convinced that the much stronger Russian government with more allies can be held in check that way.
I can't go to school without passing a protest for sanctions for Israel, I can do that without passing a Russia sanction protest.

Quoting: GuestI agree, war is bad. But what exactly is special about Europe that "war on its doorstep" would warrant such a response, but would not warrant a similar response in Gaza? Also there was "war on its doorstep" back in 1999 when Belgrade was bombed, but I didn't see such a response either - there was no boycott of US goods/companies in response. To me it seems kinda of like people use this as a justification for their own racist beliefs.

The Gaza case is, because Israel has so many enemies that if it were to leak its war to the West it would get decimated by its neighbors also there is a sea inbetween.
Back than the government send soldiers. Got a bunch of war crimes on its name. Sued and protested. Which resulted in the effects mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia#Criticism_of_the_campaign(I wasn't born yet I remember nothing) and seeded current distrust among NATO allies(my government still questions the loyalty of the british, since then.

Quoting: GuestIf what you say is true - you want to explain the US 900 military bases worldwide?

They "trust" the USA not to attack them, because of all these bases they would be hard pressed if their allies turned on them.
This trust doesn't range far though, due to the memories of the Iraq war the US security services had to release most of their evidence of Russian troop collecting at the border before the rest believed them.
Also due to internal protest most western nations(who haven't been USSR members) have expelled american bases from their borders(,which is the scary part).

Also yes the west is a bunch of imperialistic prics. That's why the fear argument works. I get that on the news everyday.

This official sanctions aren't a moral choice they're a choice of fear. They're the political expedient alternative on war. Does that mean the West never fights wars: no, but the more they fear you the less they want an open confrontation and work in sanctions. Western propaganda claims the moral high ground, but the choices its government makes are based on fear and greed not morality and although the choices the people make are sometimes based on morality 99 percent of the time it's self interest.
You keep thinking the Western governments need a moral excuse to sanction Russia. When national security comes into play they don't. All they need is a selfish excuse, so no this isn't even a justification this is just western panic football.

Did Donald J. Trump give any excuse to sanction China, besides "they're too rich and powerful" not that I remember. Did he do it anyway certainly. Why do you think Russia is different is being too brave not enough excuse to get cut down by those in power.


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Quoting: LoudTechieA westerner can sue a western government who's illegally spying on them and have a real chance of winning.

Uhhh . . . how real?

https://privacyfirst.nl/en/articles/lawsuit-against-dutch-state-against-illegal-data-espionage/
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/federal-court-rules-government-broke-the-law-by-spying-on-millions-of-americans-credits-edward-snowden/

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Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: GuestSure they can sue Russia or Russians. To this day (funny enough) Russia keeps upholding Western copyright (Belarus doesn't though) which is why alot of Russians remain scared to just blatantly rip off Western brands. Besides, if Capcom gets sued they'll likely force Enigma or whoever to pay them back/will take their business away. So it doesn't matter.

Ever heard of Sci-Hub it prevails to this day, because Russia doesn't.

Quoting: GuestReally? Then how did Germany threaten the US? or other US allies like South Korea?

By annexing SudetenLand which was part of a country the allies promised to protect specifically from german agression.
Even attacking Poland and France(all U.S allies) wasn't enough to get specific USA soldiers on their doorstep sinking US ships and trying to ally with its enemies(Mexico and Japan) were needed to get that.

Quoting: GuestSure there's a site for it, but the dominant discourse in the West is not about sanctioning Israel or its products. Indeed, we have seen how Western countries have pulled out of Russia, while the scale of the genocide in Israel is much greater. The fact that everyone seems to be okay with it is rather concerning, and that there is a double standard about it.

The companies pulling back is an effect of government pressure not social pressure, which is fully motivated by governmental fear. The western governements believe Israel won't target them(because they're its only allies in hostile world) and aren't convinced that the much stronger Russian government with more allies can be held in check that way.
I can't go to school without passing a protest for sanctions for Israel, I can do that without passing a Russia sanction protest.

Quoting: GuestI agree, war is bad. But what exactly is special about Europe that "war on its doorstep" would warrant such a response, but would not warrant a similar response in Gaza? Also there was "war on its doorstep" back in 1999 when Belgrade was bombed, but I didn't see such a response either - there was no boycott of US goods/companies in response. To me it seems kinda of like people use this as a justification for their own racist beliefs.

The Gaza case is, because Israel has so many enemies that if it were to leak its war to the West it would get decimated by its neighbors also there is a sea inbetween.
Back than the government send soldiers. Got a bunch of war crimes on its name. Sued and protested. Which resulted in the effects mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia#Criticism_of_the_campaign(I wasn't born yet I remember nothing) and seeded current distrust among NATO allies(my government still questions the loyalty of the british, since then.

Quoting: GuestIf what you say is true - you want to explain the US 900 military bases worldwide?

They "trust" the USA not to attack them, because of all these bases they would be hard pressed if their allies turned on them.
This trust doesn't range far though, due to the memories of the Iraq war the US security services had to release most of their evidence of Russian troop collecting at the border before the rest believed them.
Also due to internal protest most western nations(who haven't been USSR members) have expelled american bases from their borders(,which is the scary part).

Also yes the west is a bunch of imperialistic prics. That's why the fear argument works. I get that on the news everyday.

This official sanctions aren't a moral choice they're a choice of fear. They're the political expedient alternative on war. Does that mean the West never fights wars: no, but the more they fear you the less they want an open confrontation and work in sanctions. Western propaganda claims the moral high ground, but the choices its government makes are based on fear and greed not morality and although the choices the people make are sometimes based on morality 99 percent of the time it's self interest.
You keep thinking the Western governments need a moral excuse to sanction Russia. When national security comes into play they don't. All they need is a selfish excuse, so no this isn't even a justification this is just western panic football.

Did Donald J. Trump give any excuse to sanction China, besides "they're too rich and powerful" not that I remember. Did he do it anyway certainly. Why do you think Russia is different is being too brave not enough excuse to get cut down by those in power.

Scihub is hosted in Kazakhstan and started by a Kazakh citizen. Also, is Scihub the only pirate organization? Last I recall, Piratebay is still up and running in Sweden and they even had a Pirate Party!

Annexing Sudentenland was 85 years ago. What does that have to do with Germany now that it warrants US spying, particularly spying on their Chancellors like Merkel?

Russia wouldn't target them either though, if they didn't provoke Russia. Russia was trying to integrate into Western Europe since Soviet times! Its part of the reason it gave up the Soviet Union. It even wanted to join NATO at one point lol. Russia was took weak in the 90's and 2000's when NATO was expanding and Belgrade was getting bombed to do anything. Russia was too weak to not be a threat, why bomb Belgrade then? Why expand NATO if not to reject Russia.

Yes, you can't pass an "anti-Israel" protest because that's the "new big thing". If you recall when the Ukraine war started, I couldn't go to the grocery store without seeing pro-Ukrainia/anti-Russian protests. Everything Russian was getting banned, even Russian cats. Don't see that happening to Israel, despite protests.

Gaza would get decimated? Israel is having trouble capturing and holding a small piece of land with like 10k guys. Plus the sea means that many countries could be able to deliver contraband to Gaza to support the fight should it leak. But it hasn't happened

Ah you weren't born, but speak authoritatively on matters you don't understand. Got it. The British, just do what the Americans tell them to do. But bombing Belgrade was none European business. I mean if we are talking warcrimes, should we talk about European warcrimes in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan? Should we start bombing Europe in response?

Who would be hard pressed if who turned on who? The point is this - the US acts like an imperial power - like Ancient Rome or even the British Empire - with bases and soldiers in far flung territories. These "allies" can mostly do what they want as long as they observe US Imperial policy.

The US security services felt embarrassed about the fiasco in Afghanistan and so were seeking any opportunity to "redeem" themselves, thus they "released proofs" and got lucky. 2021/2022, wasn't the first time Russia built up troops on their borders and then nothing happened. The Pentagon Papers seemed to indicate it was sheer luck on the part of the US intelligence to get it right this time lol

Fear of what though? If they didn't expand NATO, Russia would not attack. If they didn't supply Ukraine with arms and instead encouraged diplomacy (which even France and the UK admitted they didn't), Ukraine would be more willing to negotiate and not go and start a civil war in East Ukraine.

The pirate bay doesn't run in Sweden anymore. All three of its founders have been prosecuted and its Swedish servers have been seized.
Now it hops automated from provider to provider. Which means there're still active measures to seize the servers of whoever is hosting it now.
The last one in court was a reverse proxy provider in Norway I think.
As of Ski-hub. Sorry, my info is outdated. Until 2018 the hosting provider was Russian, but according to wikipedia after signing some copyright treaty Russia expelled it, which is a treaty Russia temporary ignored 4 years later as a reaction to western sanctions, which on itself isn't really that bad, but it doesn't really grand a lot of trust in Russia's regulatory stability to see a new treaty disappear within 4 years.
Also something I forgot to mention western propaganda focuses primary on Russian "cyber criminals"(unsuable hackers protected by the mighty hand of Russia). Russia only recently found a counter to that western propaganda: publishing their own "western cyber criminals" discoveries(latest Kaspary findings). For the record both parties speak the truth it's just that they use their channels to amplify the story that suits them.

Quoting: GuestAnnexing Sudentenland was 85 years ago. What does that have to do with Germany now that it warrants US spying, particularly spying on their Chancellors like Merkel?

Sorry, I misunderstood that one I thought you meant to comment on my WWII comment.
Western governments trust each other just barely and find spying less bad than military employment, so they all spy on each other until they become actively hostile. In that same period the Danish was spying on the US government. They actually accept the same behavior from others(as long there is no serious political tension). A dutch group of concerned civillians once uncovered an entire Russian spying operation and the dutch government just reacted with something like "yeah, irritating isn't it." Russia has attempted multiple assisinations within western borders and the heaviest they've reacted to that is sentencing one guy(not a diplomat) to prison.

Quoting: GuestAh you weren't born, but speak authoritatively on matters you don't understand. Got it. The British, just do what the Americans tell them to do. But bombing Belgrade was none European business. I mean if we are talking warcrimes, should we talk about European warcrimes in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan? Should we start bombing Europe in response?

It's why I cite sources in such cases.
Also that was my point they commited war crimes and didn't like the point. They didn't react to war crimes. That wouldn't be self serving.
Europe did and does commit tons of war crimes. It's not a moral paragon. I've been clear about that. They do things out of self interest.
"Should we start bombing Europe in response." That's exactly what Europe fears and why they react that way. It makes sense to Europe, but Europe doesn't want to be bombed, so Europe tries to project a threat.
Also the West has attacked very few countries as reaction to a confirmed war crime(the closest I can come up with is Iraq, but the "evidence" was fake so that doesn't count). Most of the time that is just sanctions if that even happens.

True the US acts like an imperial power, but it's acting like that far from its allies or under conditions controlled by them where they wouldn't wipe a tear if something happened there.
"who turns on who"
The US allies turn on the US if the US turns on its allies. Although you're right about most of them in their lack of power. France is Nuclear armed state, thus refuses to play a lot of ball in the NATO(refusing to submit to US command, maintaining its own nuclear weapon program. Also the moment the allies of US turn on it all its enemies will see this as weakness of the USA and than they find out that they've stored important equipment in safe places like Syria, Turkey and The South Chines/Japanese sea.

As to the US intelligence comment.
The point wasn't that they were such an amazing intelligence service. The point is that the rest of the West refused to act until they saw serious proof and even then reluctantly.

"fear of what"
A. Expanding NATO is really, really profitable. It causes an influx of cheap labor, food and military training terrains.
B. The greedy west wants these porfits and as long it believes it has the military power to do as such it will keep doing that.
C. This sometimes means they have to retaliate against a retaliating Russia.
In conclusion Russia is scary, but not "don't ever trigger" scary, so sometimes greed is stronger.


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Queue Capcom finding a way to break this steam compat fix...

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Quoting: GuestReally? Then how did Germany threaten the US? or other US allies like South Korea?

By annexing SudetenLand which was part of a country the allies promised to protect specifically from german agression.
Even attacking Poland and France(all U.S allies) wasn't enough to get specific USA soldiers on their doorstep sinking US ships and trying to ally with its enemies(Mexico and Japan) were needed to get that.

I think he meant, the US is spying on Germany now, when it's their ally.

I'm no Wine dev, so take this with a grain of salt.

tl;dr it seems like Dragon's Dogma 2 (an upcoming Capcom game) will include Enigma DRM. The section from the commit to Valve Wine's bleeding_edge branch specifically noted to fix Monster Hunter Rise ( https://github.com/ValveSoftware/wine/commit/711601ab05b37eac03465794c8342e171fa395c6 ) was updated to include the AppID for Dragon's Dogma 2, meaning the workaround to fix Monster Hunter Rise (which, I assume, is a fix for a breakage caused by the newly-added Enigma DRM) is also required for Dragon's Dogma 2 ( https://github.com/ValveSoftware/wine/commit/41290c089b299aa2b2fb90ae61585f156c38517f ).

Valve's Wine fork ( https://github.com/ValveSoftware/wine ) is split into several branches: The major Proton versions (8.0, 7.0, etc), the Experimental Branches for each of these (experimental_8.0, etc). There is also a "bleeding_edge" branch, which you can enable for Proton Experimental by searching for it in your Steam Library, going to Properties -> Betas, and selecting the bleeding_edge branch.

As the article has been updated to note that Monster Hunter Rise has been fixed in Proton Hotfix, a few hours ago at the time of writing, the Bleeding Edge branch got a commit to fix Monster Hunter Rise. The fix consists of checking if a game's AppID matches one in a list, and if it does, setting the "WINESTEAMNOEXEC" environment variable to "1" (presumably). Currently it does it for the following games:
- Mafia II (Classic) (50130)
- Call of Duty: Black Ops II (202990)
- Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Zombies (212910, not appearing on store page or SteamDB, but this AppID shows up in search engines)
- Madballs in Babo:Invasion (25700)
- Monster Hunter Rise (1446780)

These games could conceivably contain problematic DRM that requires a workaround (no idea about Madballs ), so this could be a DRM-related workround. At the very least, since it fixes Monster Hunter Rise, and it is presumed that the new DRM caused the breakage, in this case it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to conclude that this is a fix for Capcom's Enigma DRM implementation in Monster Hunter Rise.

We also know that Capcom have tried to include this DRM in games in the past (Resident Evil Revelations) and that they want to include it in more games in the future.

Valve's Wine bleeding_edge branch got another commit to enable this fix for AppID 2054970 ( https://github.com/ValveSoftware/wine/commit/41290c089b299aa2b2fb90ae61585f156c38517f ), which is Dragon's Dogma 2 ( https://store.steampowered.com/app/2054970/Dragons_Dogma_2 ).

I suppose this is not necessarily surprising as Capcom have stated they want to include this in more games, but this could be food for thought for anyone interested in this game.

As I said, I'm not a Wine dev. I am only inferring this based on: Monster Hunter Rise got an update that broke Wine compatibility -> This update added a new DRM -> Valve appear to have fixed this in their Wine fork by adding the Monster Hunter Rise AppID to a section that could conceivably be related to other games with DRM-related issues -> Dragon's Dogma 2 was later also added to this part of the code.

Anyone who is a lot smarter than me, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing as they say.

EDIT: I want to emphasise that this is purely informational, I am not stating an opinion on whether or not the game should or should not include this DRM. However, the store page for Dragon's Dogma 2 at time of writing does not disclose that it will contain Enigma DRM, and still states that it is using Denuvo. The Monster Hunter Rise store page also does not disclose that it is using the Enigma DRM. The information of what DRM Dragon's Dogma 2 may or may not include may be of value to some people, though, and Capcom have yet to disclose this. The recent commits to Valve Wine were just an observation I thought interesting and informative to share.


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