Orange Pi Neo gaming handheld to come with Manjaro Linux

Quoting: The_Real_BittermanI have mixed feelings about this. Considering there are only two perceptions of Manjaro: Great as f*ck and Broken as f*ck it will be interesting to see how it will turn out.

I feel like this is Manjaro perfectly described. I've tried it twice and had terrible problems getting even basic things (like gamepads) to work, but meanwhile it's the fourth most popular distro on GOL's stats!

It's very close to being a viable device.

It has trackpads!... But they're in an awful position (and the rest of the controls are also terribly placed).

It comes with Linux!... But it's Manjaro.

It has a 16:10 display!... But the resolution is too high for the GPU to comfortably drive in the power envelope of a handheld.

Having multiple RAM configurations is also very silly: it increases production costs with zero benefit to either customers or developers.

Still, maybe someone else will do better on another attempt.

Quoting: Pyretic

Quoting: Loftybut we have global FSR2.0 now, which works really well especially on a smaller screen with a higher resolution, where as FSR on an already low 800p screen (mixed with the usual terrible TAA implementation on many modern games used for anti-aliasing) doesn't look crisp at all.

Why would a smaller screen have worse FSR? Technically speaking, a smaller screen should make it harder to see the imperfections.

Its' not the 'smaller screen' in the steam decks case, it's that you are already only at 800p and FSR is taking games down to resolutions like 600p and below which is reaching the point of not being able to recover enough detail on upscaling. Yet at 1200p with a much higher physical resolution you have the benefit of being able to use 1152p/900p FSR plus the additive factor of the higher PPi giving a 315 PPi vs only 115 PPi on the steam deck.

Quoting: Pengling

Quoting: LoftyI can't agree with that. people do notice the 800p resolution on the steam deck vs 1080p on the ROG for instance.

I didn't say there was no difference, though - I said there's barely any difference at that size, which is a simple fact. It's like how there's barely any difference between Coke and Pepsi - there is one, but it's really not a big deal.

Besides, people tell themselves they can see big differences in many things - that's why The Emperor's New Clothes exists.

i mean, its not a fact. it's your opinion. but if you have a study you can link which shows where people cannot tell the difference then i will bow to your superior evidence.

i can tell the difference on a smart phone between a 7" 720p smart phone and a 1200p smart phone, its a nice sizeable difference for reading text. last time i checked, we still read text in games, although i admit the steam deck might not be used for e-book reading

in fact i can link a dozen videos where people are showing the difference and claiming the difference in the detail of the screen of a ROG Ally vs a Steam deck.

Quoting: The_Real_BittermanI have mixed feelings about this. Considering there are only two perceptions of Manjaro: Great as f*ck and Broken as f*ck it will be interesting to see how it will turn out.

Also I feel like SteamOS is already a bit flunky from time to time I see a lot of potential of things to go wrong.

Don't get me wrong, SteamOS is perfectly fine for what it is intended to be used for as a handheld, but there are quite a few nuances and things randomly being annoying.

Like it sometimes does a full restet when going from Desktop back to gaming mode. You hear the sound of the boot video, then it stops and it starts to verify the installation.

Or Steam Link and the Steam Client crashing gamescope at least once when connecting for remote play.

Randomly not picking up external displays unless you do a full shutdown.

With some HDMI to Display port cables it's usable to read the EDIF of some devices.

And so many more little things randomly bugging out.

Considering it's done by Valve and they have all this little issues while they usually do exceptionally well software (unless you run Steam on Wayland + nvidia). What might Manjaro pull off with.

Does Manjaro have the man power to maintain such a system software wise?

With ChimeraOS getting such positive reception and marketing and Manjaro typically not, im wondering if manjaro was the best choice being that it is what it is. In the end if we can put our own linux distro on then for us typical linux enthusiasts its not a problem.

im waiting for System76 to enter the ring with their Handheld next with Cosmic desktop

Trackpads are there, it looks like they know what they're doing 👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️👍️

Already tried it at FOSDEM.
The device feels a lot heavier than the steam deck and the triggers are really bad.
Trackpads are nice to see. Sadly they are solid and don't have haptic feedback, so they feel way worse than the Steam Deck ones.

Positive note: they said they are going to ship an image based immutable system out of the box similar to the deck, but also offer a more classic variant to flash for users.


Last edited by jrt on 6 February 2024 at 8:28 am UTC

Quoting: jrtAlready tried it at FOSDEM.
The device feels a lot heavier than the steam deck and the triggers are really bad.
Trackpads are nice to see. Sadly they are solid and don't have haptic feedback, so they feels way worse than the Steam Deck ones.

Positive note: they said they are going to ship an image based immutable system out of the box similar to the deck, but also offer a more classic variant to flash for users.

was that a prototype / early model ? maybe they can improve those aspects. its going to be hard for any device to match the steam deck valve really did their homework. By steam deck 2.0 the others are going to really struggle to keep up with the level of refinement valve are bringing. the best they can hope for is to copy as much as possible and carve their own niche within that space.

Manjaro, Really guys? What a baffling choice for a gaming handheld. Regardless I'll keep an eye on it.

Manjaro? Manjaro?!?! The tragic joke distro that continues to hurt the Linux ecosystem and communities... and now we're going to catch more flak because of god damn Manjaro, the curse that never stops taking.