If you were hoping at some point to see HDMI 2.1+ on Linux with AMD + Mesa, you're out of luck right now as it's simply not going to be happening.
There's been a bug report on the Mesa GitLab of "4k@120hz unavailable via HDMI 2.1" that's been open for a few years now, with lots of comments and chatter about the issue. The problem is that HDMI is a proprietary interface, whereas DisplayPort is run by the international non-profit VESA, so it's much more complicated for HDMI support.
In an update on the bug report, AMD engineer Alex Deucher commented: "The HDMI Forum has rejected our proposal unfortunately. At this time an open source HDMI 2.1 implementation is not possible without running afoul of the HDMI Forum requirements."
So if you're on Linux, it's going to continue to be best to buy hardware that uses DisplayPort.
On the NVIDIA side though, it seems like it may not be an issue, as developer Karol Herbst wrote on Mastodon: "Even though AMD might not be able to add support for HDMI 2.1, nouveau certainly will as Nvidia's open source driver _also_ supports HDMI 2.1 so there is no reason to believe that at least some drivers can't support HDMI 2.1
It's quite backwards, but apparently having all the logic inside firmware (like Nvidia does) will probably help us implementing support for HDMI 2.1"
So perhaps in future AMD may be able to do something similar with their firmware.
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QuoteSo if you're on Linux, it's going to continue to be best to buy hardware that uses DisplayPort.I found that to be true regardless of Linux or AMD.
At least in my experience, I never had issues with DisplayPort, but definitely quite a few across platforms with HDMI.
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It's a shame because HDMI-CEC (when it works) is a really neat feature that AFAIK DisplayPort doesn't have. Proprietary standards are such a trainwreck.
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proprietary standards+open source clash.
Frustating to experience. Fun to watch.
Frustating to experience. Fun to watch.
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The thing is, DisplayPort is not really better... all of these are stuffed with proprietary things, because codecs, because HDCP... Listening to Jean-Baptiste Kempf (the guy of VLC) is really interesting in that regard.
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soulsource Feb 29
And the worst part? That's all because of copy protection snake-oil.
In the end it again boils down to the DMCA's weird treatment of copy-protection.
In the end it again boils down to the DMCA's weird treatment of copy-protection.
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So I have a fantastic 55 inch gaming capable TV which I paid over £2k for so I could have all the HDMI 2.1 features and £1k for a HDMI 2.1 capable GFX card but the HDMI forum wont allow me to use said hardware because they refuse to allow AMD to release drivers.
If I had the money I would be looking at taking legal action. I am now 3k out of pocket thanks to the HDMI forum.
I use my TV for UHD4k Bluray and Gaming Consoles and all these require HDMI. This is why I chose HDMI for PC also. But now I am forced to buy a new display that used Display Port if I want to use all the HDMI 2.1 features I have already paid for.
I really wish HDMI would just Die. Sick of jumping through hoops.
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If I had the money I would be looking at taking legal action. I am now 3k out of pocket thanks to the HDMI forum.
I use my TV for UHD4k Bluray and Gaming Consoles and all these require HDMI. This is why I chose HDMI for PC also. But now I am forced to buy a new display that used Display Port if I want to use all the HDMI 2.1 features I have already paid for.
I really wish HDMI would just Die. Sick of jumping through hoops.
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alka.setzer Feb 29
Quoting: finaldestSo I have a fantastic 55 inch gaming capable TV which I paid over £2k for so I could have all the HDMI 2.1 features and £1k for a HDMI 2.1 capable GFX card but the HDMI forum wont allow me to use said hardware because they refuse to allow AMD to release drivers.
If I had the money I would be looking at taking legal action. I am now 3k out of pocket thanks to the HDMI forum.
I use my TV for UHD4k Bluray and Gaming Consoles and all these require HDMI. This is why I chose HDMI for PC also. But now I am forced to buy a new display that used Display Port if I want to use all the HDMI 2.1 features I have already paid for.
I really wish HDMI would just Die. Sick of jumping through hoops.
I think, and may be wrong, that this only applies to the open source AMD stack, the closed source driver may not be subject to this limitation.
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Quoting: alka.setzerthis only applies to the open source AMD stack, the closed source driver may not be subject to this limitation.
Sure, but who wants to use the AMD closed source drivers? ATI/AMD has never been good at graphics drivers (on any OS).
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Quoting: alka.setzerI think, and may be wrong, that this only applies to the open source AMD stack, the closed source driver may not be subject to this limitation.It does, unfortunately. Both mesa (gpu open drivers including amd's) and AMDGPU-PRO (amd's proprietary drivers) rely on the open source AMDGPU (part of the linux kernel), and this implementation was part of the kernel driver (and can't be anywhere but the kernel). So the HDMI forum rejecting this basically closed off hdmi 2.1 on amd for at least the existing gpus. It may yet be possible for next gpus to support hdmi 2.1 on linux by relying on a firmware level driver (like nvidia does) or on an internal chip that converts displayport signal to hdmi signal (like intel does).
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DP to hdmi adapters also work. Thats how I get 4K 120 RGB on my LG C2 (which only has a HDMI port) VRR works as well no idea if HDR would to though...
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Quoting: finaldestSo I have a fantastic 55 inch gaming capable TV which I paid over £2k for so I could have all the HDMI 2.1 features and £1k for a HDMI 2.1 capable GFX card but the HDMI forum wont allow me to use said hardware because they refuse to allow AMD to release drivers.
If I had the money I would be looking at taking legal action. I am now 3k out of pocket thanks to the HDMI forum.
I use my TV for UHD4k Bluray and Gaming Consoles and all these require HDMI. This is why I chose HDMI for PC also. But now I am forced to buy a new display that used Display Port if I want to use all the HDMI 2.1 features I have already paid for.
I really wish HDMI would just Die. Sick of jumping through hoops.
Save your money, you have no legal standing and your case would be thrown out of court.
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I eventually want to buy a 4k OLED TV, this is the first I've ever heard of trouble supporting such a standard. How ridiculous. DisplayPort isn't very common outside of monitors so that would be an extremely annoying limitation. Hopefully by the time I upgrade a work around is created.
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Quoting: F.UltraSave your money, you have no legal standing and your case would be thrown out of court.There could possibly be a case against AMD however. I'm not in the legal field of studies, but AMD is advertising HDMI 2.1 on their RX 6000 and 7000 cards even on linux when that is not the case. So maybe...
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TheRiddick Mar 1
It's a real pita. And one of the reasons I had to go back to NVIDIA. I mean 4k120hz was fine with HDMI2.0 DSC I believe, but there are a lot of devices that just default to HDMI2.1 now and I aren't seeing ANY displayport alternatives on the market.
For example, capture cards, all high end, all HDMI2.1, DisplayPort 2.0 doesn't exist. Hell its hard to find a decent priced DP2.0 cable even. So on one hand open-standard is best, on the other, open-standard sucks when few support it! (for devices etc)
Like it or not, HDMI2.1 has massive backing and support. Corporations win! sadly...
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For example, capture cards, all high end, all HDMI2.1, DisplayPort 2.0 doesn't exist. Hell its hard to find a decent priced DP2.0 cable even. So on one hand open-standard is best, on the other, open-standard sucks when few support it! (for devices etc)
Like it or not, HDMI2.1 has massive backing and support. Corporations win! sadly...
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what happens if i get an amd gpu that supports hdmi 2.1, an hdmi 2.1 cable, and an hdmi 2.1 monitor and plug them together, then boot up linux?
"no signal"? black screen? or does this setup fallback to an hdmi 2.0 featureset and i'm just limited some feature or another?
what does hdmi 2.1 do that hdmi 2.0 doesn't?
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"no signal"? black screen? or does this setup fallback to an hdmi 2.0 featureset and i'm just limited some feature or another?
what does hdmi 2.1 do that hdmi 2.0 doesn't?
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Quoting: Marlockwhat does hdmi 2.1 do that hdmi 2.0 doesn't?
For the most part HDMI2.1 is 48Gbps bandwidth so can support higher hz with HDR and all that.
However HDMI2.0 with DSC can hit 4k 120hz 10bit just fine I believe.
When I had my 7900XTX, wayland was happy setting 4k 120hz and according to display data it was 10bit, so maybe also work with HDR?
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Quoting: Marlockwhat happens if i get an amd gpu that supports hdmi 2.1, an hdmi 2.1 cable, and an hdmi 2.1 monitor and plug them together, then boot up linux?The higher bandwidth (18 vs 48Gbps), VRR (hdmi2.0 doesn't support ver, tho Nvidia and and have working code on windows to somehow support it in a hacky way, only for windows though) and DSC for going beyond the supposed limit of the bandwidth. If you use hdmi2.1 without the proper driver you'll be limited to sorta hdmi2.0 feature set.
"no signal"? black screen? or does this setup fallback to an hdmi 2.0 featureset and i'm just limited some feature or another?
what does hdmi 2.1 do that hdmi 2.0 doesn't?
Quoting: TheRiddickThis is very strange, DSC was implemented as part of the HDMI 2.1 spec, and the only way to get to 4k@120Hz with HDMI 2.0 is through 8-bit bit and subsampling to 4:2:0, instead of the full 4:4:4. Are you sure you're getting 10-bit and 4:4:4 subsampling?Quoting: Marlockwhat does hdmi 2.1 do that hdmi 2.0 doesn't?
For the most part HDMI2.1 is 48Gbps bandwidth so can support higher hz with HDR and all that.
However HDMI2.0 with DSC can hit 4k 120hz 10bit just fine I believe.
When I had my 7900XTX, wayland was happy setting 4k 120hz and according to display data it was 10bit, so maybe also work with HDR?
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TheRiddick Mar 1
Quoting: maddovrAre you sure you're getting 10-bit and 4:4:4 subsampling?
I don't have the card. I just checked under WAYLAND when I did and the display information app which I've forgotten the name of, said 10-bit colorspace!
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QuoteThere's been a bug report on the Mesa GitLab of "4k@120hz unavailable via HDMI 2.1" that's been open for a few years now, with lots of comments and chatter about the issue. The problem is that HDMI is a proprietary interface, whereas DisplayPort is run by the international non-profit VESA, so it's much more complicated for HDMI support.
Well at least the community plays safe
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