Update 22/03/24, 10:56 UTC - While GitLab have not responded to my email, the team behind suyu are continuing on. As one of their team posted in Discord, which seems invites are open for again:
So they will be sticking to their own hosted Git now.
Original article below:
Well, that didn't last long did it. After a first release, GitLab have already pulled down the Nintendo Switch emulator suyu, due to a DMCA hit as a result of it being forked from yuzu which Nintendo shut down.
Even though the suyu team were doing it as a non-profit, with no way to donate, it seems this didn't matter because it's based on a project that was already taken down. The GitLab page now just gives a 404 error — it's just gone. The suyu Discord is also no longer accepting invites, probably due to an influx of people wondering what's going on.
A few people managed to grab the notice that was sent to the suyu team like Mr. Sujano on X:
So it looks like this may very well be the end of the road for suyu on GitLab. At least for emulation fans, Ryujinx is still going. Since yuzu was open source though, Nintendo will have plenty of trouble fully erasing it, since even a very quick Google search showed up plenty of it still existing on the web across various places.
I've reached out to GitLab for more info…will update if they reply.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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brokeassben Mar 22
Honestly just want to play the Switch games I legit purchased on my Steam Deck and desktop computer. I paid for all of the hardware and games and don't think Nintendo should have any right to say where I can and can't play them just because they have billions of dollars more than me. I'm sure it's not going to hurt them one bit, but I am done giving them business.
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Quoting: brokeassbenHonestly just want to play the Switch games I legit purchased on my Steam Deck and desktop computer. I paid for all of the hardware and games and don't think Nintendo should have any right to say where I can and can't play them just because they have billions of dollars more than me. I'm sure it's not going to hurt them one bit, but I am done giving them business.
Nintendo make money off of selling hardware and of course a few of their exclusive IP's. You being able to emulate switch on PC won't hurt them one bit, but everyone else doing it with consummate ease en-mass & on a steam deck in higher quality which is just a much better switch like platform would and eventually probably will destroy Nintendo.
They are panicking, you can really tell by these DMCA's / lawsuits. The line between what Nintendo offers and what everyone else does is very thin now that powerful handheld PC's with perfect emulation are a thing.
Not that i care too much, it's Nintendo.
Last edited by Lofty on 22 March 2024 at 2:13 am UTC
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Quoting: kerossin"previously received a DMCA notice"
But was it an actually legit DMCA? Does the project contain any copyrighted material?
At the same time I actually doubt they would bother to properly check. They can't even be bothered to fix well known 5 year old bugs so they're probably not gonna do something for someone else when it also could go into legal matters.
There are basically no checks done on a DMCA. According to how the DMCA is written, a hosting site like GitLab have to take the property down when they receive a DMCA notice, then the people targetted by the DMCA (aka suyu) have to either accept it OR they have to tell GitLab that they believe that the DMCA is filed in error at which point GitLab is forced to bring the property back online but this then allows the part that issued the DMCA (aka Nintendo) to file a civil lawsuit against suyu so you would only counter a DMCA claim if you either think that #1 the DMCA really is invalid or #2 that who ever filed the DMCA is faking it and don't want to open an actual civil lawsuit.
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fenglengshun Mar 22
mfw manga fans takes more precautions when they're not even fighting Nintendo by just rehosting Tachiyomi as Mihon on Gitea.
At this point, just run gitea and host it on Russia or China or something.
At this point, just run gitea and host it on Russia or China or something.
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Good trolling of Nintendo. Their one bit brain can only do "use DMCA 1201!".
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I guess it's not too surprising that Nintendo was going to do this and I won't be shocked if someone reported the new repo that Suyu created because their fans just love to act like white knights to their gaming gods. At the end, it's better not to love their first party games if you don't love the things that Nintendo does to gaming like taking down emulators and fanmade games but it's understandably hard for many to do it.
Good thing I've rejected anything they've done for over a decade and counting and I'm glad that there are other games out there that interest me more than whatever they output.
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Good thing I've rejected anything they've done for over a decade and counting and I'm glad that there are other games out there that interest me more than whatever they output.
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ElectricPrism Mar 22
Dear Nintendo:
SELL YOUR GAMES ON STEAM. PIRACY IS A SERVICE PROBLEM. STOP CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOURFACE FANS.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR STUPID WALLED GARDEN HARDWARE.
That is all.
SELL YOUR GAMES ON STEAM. PIRACY IS A SERVICE PROBLEM. STOP CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR STUPID WALLED GARDEN HARDWARE.
That is all.
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Quoting: ElectricPrismDear Nintendo:
SELL YOUR GAMES ON STEAM. PIRACY IS A SERVICE PROBLEM. STOP CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOURFACEFANS.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR STUPID WALLED GARDEN HARDWARE.
That is all.
Great message but it'll get lost in translation since Nintendo only knows Nintendo speak and anything else goes way over their heads. Remember, they like to go cheap with the hardware and some of their fans think those 10-15 year old 3rd party games that every other system have gotten back then that they're getting now are great on that P.O.S hardware. Which is why when Switch 2 (or whatever stupid name they come up with) is released, they'll still be many generations behind just like their network service
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Quoting: Talon1024ok that was the best use for that meme lolQuoting: jordicomaNow they just host they own repository https://git.suyu.dev/suyu/suyu
And the DMCA button (lower right corner) is a Rick roll!
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pleasereadthemanual Mar 22
Quoting: LoftyHow is it different from emulating lets say a 20yr old PS2 game ? perhaps fundamentally it is not that far apart, but the developer is not losing money on sales for a start, the hardware is well and truly out of action and there is no effective DRM to bypass or machine to crack. Maybe that's just semantics.Strictly speaking, the two are not mutually exclusive. The common rhetoric is that users should buy the Switch, hack it so it can dump game archives for cartridges they insert, and then for the user to purchase the game and dump it. Nintendo doesn't lose out on any sales this way.
What is the proportion of people doing that? That's a completely different story.
Some PS1 discs were protected by Libcrypt in 1998. Circumventing that today would still fall afoul of Section 1201 of the DMCA, no two ways about it.
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Isn't all this very much besides the point? A large corporation managed to take down an OPEN SOURCE project by using a copyright legal mechanism infamous for easy abuse.... the problem is not emulation it's the legal precedent set.
And given how the FSF is currently being run by large corporations.... does anyone have any real confidence that they will even look at this as a GPL principle matter?
What's next? Some third party takes down LibreOffice because it infringes upon OpenOffice? Or because it clearly copies MSOffice? There are much larger concerns at play here than merely the emulation controversy.
And given how the FSF is currently being run by large corporations.... does anyone have any real confidence that they will even look at this as a GPL principle matter?
What's next? Some third party takes down LibreOffice because it infringes upon OpenOffice? Or because it clearly copies MSOffice? There are much larger concerns at play here than merely the emulation controversy.
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Quoting: ElectricPrismDear Nintendo:
SELL YOUR GAMES ON STEAM. PIRACY IS A SERVICE PROBLEM. STOP CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOURFACEFANS.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR STUPID WALLED GARDEN HARDWARE.
That is all.
LOL.
You want MORE monopoly in the software distribution space? Games on Steam do not get pirated? 130+ million people who bought the Switch are not people? Keep dreaming.
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Quoting: rambo919Isn't all this very much besides the point? A large corporation managed to take down an OPEN SOURCE project by using a copyright legal mechanism infamous for easy abuse.... the problem is not emulation it's the legal precedent set.
There was no legal precedent set here. There was a settlement with the company behind about stuff that technically wasn't about emulation. And this one reads like nothing more than Gitlab being scared and removing the repo before Nintendo comes knocking.
I'm guessing the suyu people had already set up their private git repo, so probably nothing more than a minor inconvenience. And considering their dmca button, I doubt they're tied to the US.
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Quoting: LoftyNot that i ever want to side with a giant mega corporation but i can kind of understand the perspective on switch emulation, i mean people are emulating games that are practically day one release on emulators, sometimes games that have been leaked. And there was a whole highly visible monetary aspect to it too.No one forced Nintendo to release a console using outdated tablet hardware and stick for it for a decade. This problem is entirely home made by nintendo.Emulation is meant for game preservation and nostalgia(edit* i stand corrected.. not exclusively)It's not very nostalgic emulating a current gen game on non supported hardware andit's not a game that needs preserving whilst its still on immediate sale.
The whole name of this project is obviously a troll towards Nintendo too so their reaction was to be expected.
Emulation will continue though. one way or another, which is great.
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Ksudyu.
But in Japanese, or something.
But in Japanese, or something.
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Who allows whom burn the books? Destroying all copies of source code is censorship.
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Quoting: LoftyNintendo make money off of selling hardware and of course a few of their exclusive IP's. You being able to emulate switch on PC won't hurt them one bit, but everyone else doing it with consummate ease en-mass & on a steam deck in higher quality which is just a much better switch like platform would and eventually probably will destroy Nintendo.Maybe, but that's not the customer's problem. Businesses are not entitled to abusive business models simply on the basis that they wouldn't be able to make money on non-abusive business models. That's why we have antitrust laws, child labour laws, product safety laws and on and on. So if the question is "Should businesses have the right to dictate what hardware I use to run software I bought from them?" the answer does not hinge on whether they will lose money from not being able to do it. Nor does it have anything to do with whether they put some kind of encryption on it to enforce their ability to so dictate, even if there's a law with a clause that says it's illegal to circumvent their encryption.
And there is an answer to the question. The answer is "No, businesses should not have that right. If I buy something, I should be able to do anything I want with it that isn't illegal for real reasons unconnected with that business' ability to exploit me." In fact, the whole thing where when you buy software you are claimed to have "licensed" it and have to click on a EULA is bullshit from start to finish. I don't sign a EULA when I buy a TV, even though it probably has software in it.
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slaapliedje Mar 22
Quoting: NozoSince Yuzu is under the GPLv3 license, someone should contact the FSF to keep an eye on Nintendo and begin tracking any potential GPL violation perpetuated by the company, Nintendo may want to see how far they can stretch this.How funny would it be if the next Nintendo console actually uses Yuzu for backward compatibility... and then the FSF sues them for not releasing the code changes...
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